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For some bizzare reason, Apple has decided to do away with the reload button. I know they want to make every thing like the iphone but I am used to having this button and just hate hate hate what they have done with it ... so much I am on the brink of ditching Safari on this single issue.

I use a 30' screen and travelling across screen real estate to reach it at the far right corner of the addressbar is just something I'll never get used to.

All my internet browsing life, I have always gone to a certain part of the browser for certain functions and there is no way I can change now.

With the beta version, there was the option to keep it as before but now they have decided to ram it down my throat.

This is so annoying.

A soon to be ex safari user.
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I must say, this strikes me as an utterly trivial non-issue - but fortunately if it bothers you, you have several other excellent browsers to choose from. Try Camino.
Dayo said:
For some bizzare reason, Apple has decided to do away with the reload button. I know they want to make every thing like the iphone but I am used to having this button and just hate hate hate what they have done with it ... so much I am on the brink of ditching Safari on this single issue.
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Could try Command-R for reload. Saves moving the mouse across the screen!

Shrey
Dayo said:
For some bizzare reason, Apple has decided to do away with the reload button. I know they want to make every thing like the iphone but I am used to having this button and just hate hate hate what they have done with it ... so much I am on the brink of ditching Safari on this single issue.

I use a 30' screen and travelling across screen real estate to reach it at the far right corner of the addressbar is just something I'll never get used to.

All my internet browsing life, I have always gone to a certain part of the browser for certain functions and there is no way I can change now.

With the beta version, there was the option to keep it as before but now they have decided to ram it down my throat.

This is so annoying.

A soon to be ex safari user.
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http://dakanji.com

'Of what use is a philosopher who doesn't hurt anyone's feelings?'
Diogenes the Cynic, 300 BC.

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My god...

Command-R or right click anywhere and select Reload
Dayo said:
For some bizzare reason, Apple has decided to do away with the reload button. I know they want to make every thing like the iphone but I am used to having this button and just hate hate hate what they have done with it ... so much I am on the brink of ditching Safari on this single issue.

I use a 30' screen and travelling across screen real estate to reach it at the far right corner of the addressbar is just something I'll never get used to.

All my internet browsing life, I have always gone to a certain part of the browser for certain functions and there is no way I can change now.

With the beta version, there was the option to keep it as before but now they have decided to ram it down my throat.

This is so annoying.

A soon to be ex safari user.
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http://dakanji.com

'Of what use is a philosopher who doesn't hurt anyone's feelings?'
Diogenes the Cynic, 300 BC.

KenRockwell Supporter
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I was going to say I wondered why I had one there when so many people evidently didn't. :)
 
Dayo said:
For some bizzare reason, Apple has decided to do away with the reload button. I know they want to make every thing like the iphone but I am used to having this button and just hate hate hate what they have done with it ... so much I am on the brink of ditching Safari on this single issue.

I use a 30' screen and travelling across screen real estate to reach it at the far right corner of the addressbar is just something I'll never get used to.

All my internet browsing life, I have always gone to a certain part of the browser for certain functions and there is no way I can change now.

With the beta version, there was the option to keep it as before but now they have decided to ram it down my throat.

This is so annoying.
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This type of thing, is by far the worst part of Apple. I just HATE it when they take away choices and "innovate" just to be different and not improve things.
Dayo said:
A soon to be ex safari user.
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http://dakanji.com

'Of what use is a philosopher who doesn't hurt anyone's feelings?'
Diogenes the Cynic, 300 BC.

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While this is a trivial matter, I must agree with you as it is an annoyance for me too. I really don't understand why this would not be a "button" that the user could turn on via a "customization" feature.

While it may be trivial, it is often the little things in the user interface that matter the most.
 
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Dayo said:
For some bizzare reason, Apple has decided to do away with the reload button. I know they want to make every thing like the iphone but I am used to having this button and just hate hate hate what they have done with it ... so much I am on the brink of ditching Safari on this single issue.
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I have the same though, the version 3 is perfect, but somehow apple want to be special and moved the reload button too far away. most people said version 4 is so much faster, but I feel no differnce at all, but i have more troule like, after hours of use, the sarfari 4 has no reponse,, sometime it load the pages forever, and some web site used to perfect with version 3, but has some error coded on version 4.

I have already stopped using sarfari, and settled down on firefox 3.5, it is more stable, and it has more feature than sarfari, and there are alot of free plugin to use
 
Yes, you can click the little bent arrow to the right of the URL, but that is generally a horizontal sweep of the mouse to the right.

It's also not obvious to many users.

So it's more clunky, and slower. Certainly not "apple-like"

Yes life goes on, but I for one agree this was a step backward.

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A reload is an action on the current URL. Placing the reload button thus into the location field containing the URL has a certain logic. Incidentally, if you place your cursor anywhere in the location field and hit enter, it also reloads the URL. In the same way, the RSS button is also an action on the current URL and is it also placed in the location field. And you might have noticed the stop button is now also in the location field. In fact, instead of having two distinct buttons, stop and reload, there is one button only now which is a stop button while a page is loading and a reload button the rest of the time.

What I do not fully understand is why a button on the right requires larger mouse movements than a button on the left. Is there a reason why ones cursor should predominately be on the left side of a window? Or is it just that people start reading from left and thus search for a button always starting from left. Or do people have only a handfull of tabs open (which naturally congregate towards the left).

Apple, in its attempt to reduce the amount of buttons and make their placement more logical, apparently has run into some serial-reloaders and mouse-users. Apple did not change it for the sake of changing it. They tried to improve it for the sake of improving it. That does not mean they always get it right or that to some people is not an improvement but calling them lunatic is a gross overreaction.
 
noirdesir said:
What I do not fully understand is why a button on the right requires larger mouse movements than a button on the left. Is there a reason why ones cursor should predominately be on the left side of a window? Or is it just that people start reading from left and thus search for a button always starting from left. Or do people have only a handfull of tabs open (which naturally congregate towards the left).
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Why it requires a larger sweep of the mouse is that ever since my first go at the Netscape Navigator 3, certain things on browsers have been clustered on the left of the bar ... Home, Forward, Back, Stop, Reload etc. What Apple has done is chopped one of them off and moved it to the other extreme end.

So rather than go to one side of the browser to do certain things as I have become accustomed to over the past 15 or so years, I now do some of them on one side and have to sweep across to do one on the other. Certainly not an improvement in usability and when on a 30" screen, it is simply a nightmare.
noirdesir said:
Apple, in its attempt to reduce the amount of buttons and make their placement more logical, apparently has run into some serial-reloaders and mouse-users. Apple did not change it for the sake of changing it. They tried to improve it for the sake of improving it. That does not mean they always get it right or that to some people is not an improvement but calling them lunatic is a gross overreaction.
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Apple is by all means free to move stuff around as they wish. What equals lunacy is that they have not allow an OPTION to revert it back to where it was. I used the beta version and with that, you could overrule this and have the button back together with the other browsing buttons. On the final version, they took that OPTION away.

Surely you can't have a problem with people asking for an OPTION, can you?

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What is it about the reload arrow? It's right there at the end of the URL.

If you want it closer to the left, you can click and drag the division between the URL and the Google window, thus making the URL window shorter.
How hard is it to click it when you want to reload?
To be honest I don't even recall when it was moved. I just click it.
You need to exercise more.
 
Dayo said:
Why it requires a larger sweep of the mouse is that ever since my first go at the Netscape Navigator 3, certain things on browsers have been clustered on the left of the bar ... Home, Forward, Back, Stop, Reload etc. What Apple has done is chopped one of them off and moved it to the other extreme end.
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Except that these buttons are used less and less in browsing. With Internet connections getting faster and browsers better, the stop and reload buttons are rarely needed anymore. And with the advent of tabs, opening links in them eliminates the need for the back button drastically, which is also true for the home button since opening a new tab essentially accomplishes that.
Dayo said:
So rather than go to one side of the browser to do certain things as I have become accustomed to over the past 15 or so years, I now do some of them on one side and have to sweep across to do one on the other. Certainly not an improvement in usability and when on a 30" screen, it is simply a nightmare.
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Ah, you are one of those that fill a 30" monitor with one browser window. I always wondered whether I would see one of these.
Dayo said:
Apple is by all means free to move stuff around as they wish. What equals lunacy is that they have not allow an OPTION to revert it back to where it was.
Surely you can't have a problem with people asking for an OPTION, can you?
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Asking for an option and calling somebody lunatic are two very different things.

And you have the option to use a different browser. Apple is under no legal or moral obligation to provide a browser that pleases you. At last count there were even quite a number of browsers around which use a different UI but Webkit under the hood.

The general problem here is what Steve Jobs himself outlined some ago: "One has to think very carefully before adding a feature, because it is almost impossible to take it back again in the future. People will cry murder."
 
I for one take time with any software to get used to how it works and how I navigate it. The less I have to reinvent the wheel every time I update software the more time I save for myself in my life. This is what I believe any software update needs to accomplish. If it doesn't, and they change things arbitrarily because they cannot tell enough to leave things that function well alone, and are what people have been used to - then I get get really irritated that someone is wasting my time.

After listening to what people find irritating about this Safari update, I will not even try it and waste another moment. Safari 3 works for me. It's not broken, yet here we are listening to people talk about an update that is. What if we all held all of these software people to account and refuse to use/buy any of their stuff until they understand that this is our precious time - we as users are not being paid to test their software.

Mike
 
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