Epson 2880 and 3800 are the same?

I killed my 2400 in just 2 years. I thought the prints were incredible, the 3800 is night and day side by side. I won't miss the small cartridges either. I just ran some tests on Moab paper and now I think I may be kissing Epson papers good bye. The tonal range on the Estrada Rag is as close as I've seen to my wet darkroom fiber prints.

Hopefully, I'll get more than 2 years out of the 3800.
 
convinced me not to get 3880 but then the last 4 posts convinced me otherwise.
I killed my 2400 in just 2 years. I thought the prints were
incredible, the 3800 is night and day side by side. I won't miss the
small cartridges either. I just ran some tests on Moab paper and now
I think I may be kissing Epson papers good bye. The tonal range on
the Estrada Rag is as close as I've seen to my wet darkroom fiber
prints.

Hopefully, I'll get more than 2 years out of the 3800.
 
I just got my insurance settlement after my car and contents were stolen, including my old 3800. I could have bought any new printer by any maker, but I went right back and just picked up a new 3800. Its that good, and I saw the side by side 2880 prints at Pro Photo Supply, and I still went 3800. Big carts, and the prints seemed sharper. Some flower sample print looked slightly better on the 2880, but no way does it surpass the economy, black and white output, size and sharpness of the 3800.

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For the OP: If you're concerned about differences between the R2880 and 3800, your best bet is to go to a dealer where they have sample prints of both on the same paper so you can compare with your own eyes. That's the only way. Nobody else should be judging quality for you, since nobody else has your pair of eyes, nor your brain. You should expect the differences to be subtle, however, so look carefully ...
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Eric Chan
http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/photos/
http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Epson3800/index.html
 
The problem is nearest store that sells BOTH printers is 5 hours away so I turned to forum for opinions and inputs...
For the OP: If you're concerned about differences between the R2880
and 3800, your best bet is to go to a dealer where they have sample
prints of both on the same paper so you can compare with your own
eyes. That's the only way. Nobody else should be judging quality for
you, since nobody else has your pair of eyes, nor your brain. You
should expect the differences to be subtle, however, so look
carefully ...
--
Eric Chan
http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/photos/
http://people.csail.mit.edu/ericchan/dp/Epson3800/index.html
 
ok, who wants to buy my 3 weeks old 2880?

Thanks for all your help...
I just got my insurance settlement after my car and contents were
stolen, including my old 3800. I could have bought any new printer by
any maker, but I went right back and just picked up a new 3800. Its
that good, and I saw the side by side 2880 prints at Pro Photo
Supply, and I still went 3800. Big carts, and the prints seemed
sharper. Some flower sample print looked slightly better on the 2880,
but no way does it surpass the economy, black and white output, size
and sharpness of the 3800.

http://www.pixelmap.com
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My 2007 Sony Alpha Showcase
http://www.bercasio.com/photos/2007/Showcase/

'It is between me, my Alpha and the world out there. It is quite therapeutic.'
'Quality than quantity.'
 
Why not enjoy it until the 3880 comes out and then sell it!
 
I sold a lot of 13x19 photos using 2880 and USED a lot of ink too within 3 weeks...

If 3800 is indeed SHARPER than 2880 then my prints will be better and SAVE a lot of ink too due to no switching between photo and matte blank ink.

I want to wait for 3880 but no rumor nor news that it is coming soon...
ok, who wants to buy my 3 weeks old 2880?
I don't think that there is anything wrong with a 2880 and if you are
satisfied with it then enjoy the printer. Use it for a while and see
what happens.
 
I sold a lot of 13x19 photos using 2880 and USED a lot of ink too
within 3 weeks...
That's great. Perhaps you've made enough to capitalize the cost of your printer?
If 3800 is indeed SHARPER than 2880 then my prints will be better and
SAVE a lot of ink too due to no switching between photo and matte
blank ink.
I can't say the the 3800 is "sharper" per se, but there are many compelling reasons to consider it. Outstanding image quality, the larger and more cost effective ink cartridges, better paper/media handling, 17" wide carriage, etc. BTW, it costs ink to switch between pK and mK (about 1ml the one way and 4 ml's back).
I want to wait for 3880 but no rumor nor news that it is coming soon...
It may or may not come. We've discussed this ad nauseum. Epson may drop the printer and retain just one 17" wide (4880). It doesn't make a lot of sense to release a 3880 as it would likely share similar specs with the 4880.

Look, the 3800 is a great printer and if it meets your needs then buy it. If not, the 4880 is available with the updated inkset, advanced screening algorithms, even larger capacity cartridges, roll paper capability, etc. Or perhaps, you may want to consider the Canon Ipf5100? For now, the 3880 is vaporware and unfortunately, I haven't been able to figure how to make images on something that doesn't exist. I

MHO, the 3800 is the biggest bargain out there. A refurb for less than $800 is a magnificent forray into an entry level pro-printer.
 
Make a short trip over to Michael Reichmann's site and read his recent review of the 7900/9900 printers. If you've got a cool $4-6K laying around then be sure to snag one of these babies.

About mid-way down the page you'll see a reference to and a gamut plot comparing the new printers to a lowly 3800. There's no question that these unbelievable printers featuring the new 11 cartridge HDR inkset kick butt. But look how well the 3800 does considering what it is up against?

A better question that you need to ask is how much gamut improvement would be expected if Epson released a 3880 with a vivid magenta? Some, but the plots that I've seen suggest no improvement in Dmax and only slight expansion of gamut (nothing near the 7900).

So again, the bottom line is that you need to perform a gut-check value analysis. Buy what you can and what will serve your needs. Stop worrying so much about what may be coming down the pike. All of these devices have finite lifespans and when and if the magical 3880 is released, I'm sure that some production cycle later an even better 3890 might appear. Happy printing.
 
Eleven 80ml cartridges of HDR ink. What would you pay for that?

The 4880 doesn't make small prints, costs too much to swap blacks, too big a footprint, too heavy to move.....

Epson, there's a down market - it's time for the big boys to pick up market share with new products. Don't you know that? Clean Canon and HP's clocks, and make me happy too.

If the 3880 does materialize I'd probably spring for it on the theory that a 3900 is too far in the distance. I'm tired of changing cartridges on my R1800 every few days.
 
Eleven 80ml cartridges of HDR ink. What would you pay for that?
Agreed - that would be a great deal.
The 4880 doesn't make small prints, costs too much to swap blacks,
too big a footprint, too heavy to move.....
The Canon's don't do small prints either. I don't think that's a deal killer though the 4880 does have significant drawbacks..
Epson, there's a down market - it's time for the big boys to pick up
market share with new products. Don't you know that? Clean Canon
and HP's clocks, and make me happy too.
That's exactly why I suspect a 3880 is less likely.
If the 3880 does materialize I'd probably spring for it on the theory
that a 3900 is too far in the distance. I'm tired of changing
cartridges on my R1800 every few days.
All of this is speculation of course, but it's difficult to contemplate that they would introduce a 3880 with the specs you indicated. Imagine what a 3880 would do with HDR inks to the 4880 and other printers? Perhaps, Epson will wait some time to capitalize the costs of the 4880 and then at the end of that product cycle release something more akin to what you are describing - a 17" with HDR inks, etc.

Yes, the R1800 cartridges suck and I've got to say that if you moved up to a 3800 you would be quite pleased (unless cd/roll printing are must haves). Image detail, lack of metamerism, b&w, and tonality are all superior on the 3800 as compared to the R1800.
 
If 3800 is indeed SHARPER than 2880 then my prints will be better and
SAVE a lot of ink too due to no switching between photo and matte
blank ink.

I want to wait for 3880 but no rumor nor news that it is coming soon...
ok, who wants to buy my 3 weeks old 2880?
I don't think that there is anything wrong with a 2880 and if you are
satisfied with it then enjoy the printer. Use it for a while and see
what happens.
The inks do switch and use a small amount if ink when it does. It does do it automatically when you change to matt papers. I agree, if you don't need a professional printer, keep the 2880. I sell a lot of prints and the bigger size capability and large carts were a serious consideration.
 
I was already in adorama, ready to buy the 3800 coz of the sale price when I noticed 3800 has a 3.5 picoliters while the 2800 has 3 pl.

In addition, max resolution for 3880 is 2880 x 1440 dpi while 2880 is 5760 x 1440 optimized dpi.

Please explain.....
Am I right to assume if I compare the two printer, they are the same
when it comes to "print quality"? Anyone here notice the big
difference at all?
 
You realize that pico-liters is a volume, not a size? The difference between 3.5 and 3.0 pico-liters is, well, not terribly relevant...it's highly unlikely you could see the differences...

As for the stepper motor resolutions, yes, the 2880 can do what Epson calls 5760x1440 but again, the odds that that will make any difference is very unlikely...2880x1440 properly sharpened is an excellent print.
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Regards,
Jeff Schewe
 
You realize that pico-liters is a volume, not a size? The difference
between 3.5 and 3.0 pico-liters is, well, not terribly
relevant...it's highly unlikely you could see the differences...
More important is the way that the drops are placed, in other words the dithering algorithm, as well as their uniformity or lack thereof. Interestingly, I think one of the strong suits of the 3800 is the pressurized ink delivery system. IMHO it tends to deliver ink more consistently than the gravity fed systems, thus adding to the overall improvement in IQ.
As for the stepper motor resolutions, yes, the 2880 can do what Epson
calls 5760x1440 but again, the odds that that will make any
difference is very unlikely...2880x1440 properly sharpened is an
excellent print.
Yes, stepper motors are very important not only in terms of absolute resolution, but error bars. Having a smaller resolution that is more accurate will result in better IQ than a higher resolution with lesser accuracy. Much of this is hype akin to using quantity of megapixels to sell a camera.
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Regards,
Jeff Schewe
 
I bought a refurbished 3800 from B&H for $700. It comes with a full
set of inks, software, manual and a one year factory warranty and
support. It's flawless.
Remember just a few (8?) years ago $700 were the cheapest 13" printers! I keep telling myself this to convince myself to buy a refurb 3800.

:-)
 
I find it hard to believe that the printer and paper have the accuracy to take advantage of the super high DPI specs anyhow. Seesm like the dots have to be on top of each other - I wonder how large a 3 or 3.5pl dot is on the page compared to the DPI. Anyhow, no matter what the DPI; etc, at some point you reach "diminishing returns" as DPI approaches infinity. People are still amazed by prints from my very old Epson photo 870...
 

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