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While video is coming to DSLRs, the implementation of the D90 is nothing but a "me first" attempt. Without AF, the vast majority of people sold on product based on that feature will be sorely bummed at the lack-luster performance.

There will be some that will understand the limitation of no AF and understand the right equipment to make it work right. But that will be a very small majority of the of people hoping to use this feature.

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no one is going to buy lots of lenses for consumer based camcorder. There are lmits too. For a DSLR on the other hands every owner anticipates or buys several lenses just to shoot photography. Video mode, then, is a bonus that gives you ability to utalize fancy lense that you use anyways.
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You can get any kind of glass you want in PL mount. It's pricey though.

The fixed zoom that comes with the Scarlet is enough for a huge variety of applications anyway. f/2.8 is reasonably shallow DoF even with a smaller sensor.
semorg said:
joebloe said:
Seriously, just wait for the actual digital cine camera. Use your
still camera for stills. It'll be nice being able to make high
quality home movies in the meanwhile I guess.
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I am sure scarlet would be a great camera . Red has already proven
themselves with Red one. That said, even when the camera comes out,
it will not have the huge amount of glass that exist for nikon.
Imagine the possibilities of fisheye, TS lenses, macro and more....
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Hey where did you get this model, she can't even talk and she walks like a man. But really the way she talks is very, very distracting. My two cents.
semorg said:
D90 movie mode is a game changer and will alter the future of SLR.

I've been a canon user since 1993 when I bought my A2e. Canon seem to
always push the innovation button from that day on, but lately I
think they are getting a bit complacent. I hope in a few weeks I am
proven wrong, but am sad that Canon is sticking with the same formula
of adding incremental pixels every release cycle instead of thinking
out of the box.

They were behind in sensor cleaning technology, They got behind in
high iso feature and now, they seem to completely missed the boat on
video.

I know some of you might say, who cares about video. The fact is,
journalism is changing and every outfit is asking their journalist to
carry a video or become familiar with it. Single images will always
be special in their power, but the world wants to see video.

D90 has it's limitation with pre-focusing and audio quality. It seems
to me nikon is testing the waters with video with this model. If they
see an uptake due to video, you can bit your retirement that their
next camera will build up on this, with mic in connectors, and live
focusing.

I also predict D90 will change the indi movie world and put a huge
damper on the RED company. Many indi movie makers love HD but don't
like the deep DOF and long for the shallow DOP of 35 film. Guess
what? They got their wish for less than $1000 on a system that
already has numerous amount of quality lenses.

Some of you may not know, but many inspiring movie makers have
resorted to buying a ground glass adapters which enable usage of 35mm
lenses in a way it retains the DOF. It works by having the 35mm lens
project their image on a ground glass the same way it projects it on
a film plane. For anyone who has used a view camera you know what I
mean. Then the HD video captures the projected (which is inverted)
image and retains the DOF of projected image. The result is a soft
(because of ground glass) but film like DOF. These contraptions
alone costs $1000 plus and they never allow the full quality of
original lens shine through.

Just imagine the possibilities of this for any inspiring movie maker.
All you need is 2-3 of these cameras, external sound capture and a
few nice glasses and you create images that in look and feel would
match $20,000 + cameras.

Though this might be a small market, but not the less it will be game
changer in indi movie and will secondary spill over effect to Nikon
world.

The other use I see for this, is for underwater guys. Now you just
need one housing to capture high quality underwater images and videos.

I'll wait and see a bit to see what Canon comes up with. If I don't
see anything, I might just buy a Nikon and a kit lens (in addition
to my Canon gear) for the video function alone.

Now I'll wait for your attacks :)

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Matt,

If you follow indie movie making, you'll notice many are using special adapters that can only shoot in manual to just get the 35mm DOF. D90 will provide the same DOF, no loss of light or inverted image, or image softness.

D90 is a major step up for those film makers. As For PJs, they would want autofocus and as I said it I think nikon will focus on it (no pun intended) if see a demand.
Matt Cham said:
semorg said:
If you've ever watched a behind the scene setup, you'll see how much
prefocusing is done. With ability to view the output on a monitor and
combing with prefocusing I think that limitation can be overcome.
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Why bother with video if your subject does not move?
If the subject moves, then you must re-focus manually.
If you are just going to manual focus, that would
be the equivalent of 1970's camcorder technology.

Many new pocket cameras can record 720p movies
while autofocusing. This feature in the D90 is not that
useful IMHO, but it's a feature that will improve in time.
Specifically, integrating video AF into future DSLRs.

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maxz said:
what about sensor size. Yes you can attach different lenses to pro
camcorder but your DOF control is still very limited by sensor size,
the holy grail in imaging biz.
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The shallow DOF takes place prior to getting to any camcorder whether it be a low end camcorder or a hi end camcorder.

The front lens attachment (moving ground glass) is what creates the film look. The attachment on the front of that element holds the nikon F mount to allow Nikon lenses to be attached and aperture on those can of course be adjusted on the ring prior to farting around with the camcorder.

People unfamiliar with this process (obviously here when responding to me) do not understand that the purpose of these lens attachments is to not just provide a film look via the moving ground glass element (for fine grain simulation) but more importantly, to solve what you are referencing... the inability of the camcorder to be able to create a shallow depth of field.

Light goes into the say 35mm f/1.4 lens, then hits the ground glass element. The camcorder is merely recording that image off the inner elements which at that point have of course captured whatever DOF you choose via adjusting the aperture ring on the Nikkor.

Does that help???

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Another Nkion 1st, although unless living under a rock you would have to know that there is at least one upcomming camera from canon with movie mode.

You can argue that it is a restricted and immature implementation, but you can't take away that they got to announce first
 
Moire Onion said:
semorg said:
D90 movie mode is a game changer and will alter the future of SLR.
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Why in the world? I already have a camcorder, I don't need another one.
And I don't want to pay more a photo camera because it mimicks a
camcorder.

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I'll bet you don't have a camcorder that can do what the D90 can do: the ability to have interchangable 35mm lenses that allow for shallow DOF, and at then do 12MP stills.

And the retail price for this is 1K. So, no, you do not have to pay more for this non-mimicking camcorder - because it is a DSLR with camcording fuctionality.

I don't get why some of you are against having the OPTION of Hi-Def Video if it's doesn't diminish in any way your ability to take high quality still images. Is it just the threat of the new, or do you really think that there should never be any kind of technological integration of still photography and video?

I'm off to send out a return package to B&H Photography and Video INC.
 
on skin and etc.??? It seems like a lot of work (assuming it could be done). I think make-up artists for video shoots is a must.
semorg said:
D90 movie mode is a game changer and will alter the future of SLR.

I've been a canon user since 1993 when I bought my A2e. Canon seem to
always push the innovation button from that day on, but lately I
think they are getting a bit complacent. I hope in a few weeks I am
proven wrong, but am sad that Canon is sticking with the same formula
of adding incremental pixels every release cycle instead of thinking
out of the box.

They were behind in sensor cleaning technology, They got behind in
high iso feature and now, they seem to completely missed the boat on
video.

I know some of you might say, who cares about video. The fact is,
journalism is changing and every outfit is asking their journalist to
carry a video or become familiar with it. Single images will always
be special in their power, but the world wants to see video.

D90 has it's limitation with pre-focusing and audio quality. It seems
to me nikon is testing the waters with video with this model. If they
see an uptake due to video, you can bit your retirement that their
next camera will build up on this, with mic in connectors, and live
focusing.

I also predict D90 will change the indi movie world and put a huge
damper on the RED company. Many indi movie makers love HD but don't
like the deep DOF and long for the shallow DOP of 35 film. Guess
what? They got their wish for less than $1000 on a system that
already has numerous amount of quality lenses.

Some of you may not know, but many inspiring movie makers have
resorted to buying a ground glass adapters which enable usage of 35mm
lenses in a way it retains the DOF. It works by having the 35mm lens
project their image on a ground glass the same way it projects it on
a film plane. For anyone who has used a view camera you know what I
mean. Then the HD video captures the projected (which is inverted)
image and retains the DOF of projected image. The result is a soft
(because of ground glass) but film like DOF. These contraptions
alone costs $1000 plus and they never allow the full quality of
original lens shine through.

Just imagine the possibilities of this for any inspiring movie maker.
All you need is 2-3 of these cameras, external sound capture and a
few nice glasses and you create images that in look and feel would
match $20,000 + cameras.

Though this might be a small market, but not the less it will be game
changer in indi movie and will secondary spill over effect to Nikon
world.

The other use I see for this, is for underwater guys. Now you just
need one housing to capture high quality underwater images and videos.

I'll wait and see a bit to see what Canon comes up with. If I don't
see anything, I might just buy a Nikon and a kit lens (in addition
to my Canon gear) for the video function alone.

Now I'll wait for your attacks :)

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Yes that would be great! Though, you can carry a small 7inch LCD monitor to use that to maintain sharp focus on your wide life, but precision AF would be great.
Necip said:
I do hope Canon do impliment the movie mode in the new 5D it will be
a great feature to have for me, Capturing wildlife moments would
bring a new dimension to my interest in wildlife photography. I just
hope they figure out a novel way to also provide precision AF.
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There is a word for people who make comments before fully researching and understanding the facts. I have been following the indie film very closely and I can tell you this is a major welcome news for them.
BALLhead said:
Siinji30 said:
A standard 35 mm movie film roll is 11 min. long
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So, you get less than half the time to shoot you're crumby, low
resolution digital movie than a super high resolution movie camera
does. Where's the digital advantage now?
Honestly, with the small size and low cost of today's digital
camcorders and the abundant supply of point & shoots with video
capabilities, I'm surprised that you're not all laughing your selves
silly over this absurd proposal.
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NOW here's a guy who knows
what he is talking about.............

Guys, get a grip
its new technology
its new opportunity

if there is something you dont know about film or video
ask,
dont preach , atleast then, you might learn something
and perhaps a new skill

I am absolutely over the moon with this camera
IF and IF, canon dont come up with something similar
soon,,, I will certainly be jumping ship.........
I have been waiting on the sidelines for some technological
breakthru and this certainly seems to be it

Yes, Canon has video camera division and such products
will certainly affect that.............this does limit what it can do
with the DSLR....but I hope it doesnt
jindrich said:
for those who doesnt know, film or drama HD productions are shot with
manual focus, regardless of the lens used. There's a guy called
"focus puller" in charge of that.

there are expensive accesories for video HD cams to adapt 35mm stuff,
but they invert the image, lose one stop, have factor multipliers and
many other different issues.

for the very low price of the D90, indie filmmakers willl have a
camera that shoots 5mins of 24fps 720p HD video, with the DOF of
35mm, that takes ANY 35mm without adapters (including all those 20+
year old F mount lenses that can be bought for nothing on ebay).
Think about macro, fishlens, 300 f2.8, or any f1.2 DOF. This is a
revolution.
And they'll get a very decent DSLR for stills on top of that.

also, due that the D90 having standard NTSC+PAL and HDMI out, you can
attach a 7" LCD to the tripod/dolly where the camera stands, to help
pulling focus if the camera 3" is not big enough (that's how it is
done in hollywood, btw).

AS LONG AS the video compression is good enough, the D90 will be HUGE
in this camp alone.
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You can actually edit video in Photoshop CS3 extended.
 
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