I might be mistaken but I think broadcast quality cameras don't use AF. I don't know. AF isn't that big of a deal. Changing DOF and using all your killer lenses with video, now that's a BIG DEAL. Seriously, I think this is gonna change the Home Movie industry forever.
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D90 movie function is a game changer!!!
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jonrobertp
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Pro shooters don't want do-dads like that hanging onto a pro cam...Nikon did it to make more $ from a few unprofessional consumers.
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Octane
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Today it's a mid range consumer camera that has a decent video feature. Tomorrow it might be a pro camera that instead of flapping the mirror up and down for each frame allows you to keep the mirror up for any selectable amount of time and shoot at frame rates that are much higher. Casio's Ex-F1 shoots 60 fps at full res for a full second, the new RED epic camera shoots at 100 fps using a 20 mp sensor. The technology is there and we will see it being used by SLRs soon.
The D90 is just the step.
It's funny and always the same pattern. Someone comes out with something new and different, and many say, what the heck would that be useful for. Then every manufacturer does it and then everyone says, oh sure.
When the D300/D3 came out with their 920,000 pixel LCD many pointed out how irrelevant that was and the LCD was not for high quality viewing anyway, and all that blah blah. Now that the 50D will have one (finally) it a feature worth pointing out.
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The D90 is just the step.
It's funny and always the same pattern. Someone comes out with something new and different, and many say, what the heck would that be useful for. Then every manufacturer does it and then everyone says, oh sure.
When the D300/D3 came out with their 920,000 pixel LCD many pointed out how irrelevant that was and the LCD was not for high quality viewing anyway, and all that blah blah. Now that the 50D will have one (finally) it a feature worth pointing out.
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stevielee
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So, do you "officially" represent the wishes and wants of "Pro" shooters?
Video is part of the future of features that will be offered in upcoming DSLR's - both consumer/prosumer level, and yes, even "Pro" level. Same as Live View migrated to the 35mm format, so will Video. It's already a done deal, whether you "Pro's" like it or not.
I have a feeling that there are quite a few "Pro's" out there that would welcome the ability to shoot HD-Video as well as high IQ images from the same unit. But of course, there will always be folks like you telling the rest of us what we need, want, or should have on our equipment if we really want to be part of the big-boy club and be considered a "Pro" like yourself.
Jake Loves Good Glass
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If I remember correctly, guys shooting 16mm film only get 3 minute runs. 5 minutes would be a huge benefit actually. Think, you get the same lens characteristics and dof and so on, and you get it in a digital signal. I don't think the D90 itself will be the camera that breaks the mold and sees people using one for all, but it is a sure sign that it may come.
This still doesn't touch the Big Red One in any real regards as it records a little more than 11 megapixels at 60fps...that is a long shot from 720p at 24fps. Serious movie makers will still have to go this route, but at least the D90 is making it clear to people that a cross format camera is very possible, and very likely on the close horizon.
People can be closed minded all they want, they are the ones that will be caught with their pants down when a new standard is born.
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This still doesn't touch the Big Red One in any real regards as it records a little more than 11 megapixels at 60fps...that is a long shot from 720p at 24fps. Serious movie makers will still have to go this route, but at least the D90 is making it clear to people that a cross format camera is very possible, and very likely on the close horizon.
People can be closed minded all they want, they are the ones that will be caught with their pants down when a new standard is born.
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While I can see the benefit of motion capture for PJ's (for news web sites etc.), they still will NOT use this camera. They shoot on D3/1DMk3. I also cannot understand how a company like Nikon (or Canon, Sony) can accurately determine just how much motion capture will boost sales of the D90 (or equivalent). I see it for the majority of photographers who currently shoot with a DSLR as a bit of a gimmick or novelty and will only be used briefly and then forgotten about.
And I cannot at all imagine that a $1000 DSLR will ever outsell or outperform the likes of the (for example) Canon XL camcorders. It's just not going to happen - you get what you pay for.
And I cannot at all imagine that a $1000 DSLR will ever outsell or outperform the likes of the (for example) Canon XL camcorders. It's just not going to happen - you get what you pay for.
jonrobertp
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make weekly TV programs. They use my stills as a complement when they find it fitting to the specific show. I guarantee you they will never, never, use this type of SLR with video included in any pro manner.
Course that doesn't mean others won't use it.
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Course that doesn't mean others won't use it.
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stevielee
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There will always be people taking the negative side. I see the potential and I see how it could change alot of things. It is, after-all, a consumer grade DSLR. All this for a thousand bucks. Not bad.
I'm just curious, what $1000 camcorder will let you change lenses? DOF? Give you that kind of sensitvity?
This a good thing. If you don't like it, don't buy it but wait till the 5DII (or whatever it's called) comes out and it has HD MOVIE MODE. Then what? My guess is that they'll spin into something like "Canon did the HD MOVIE MODE better than Nikon. I've been waiting my whole life for this."
I'm just curious, what $1000 camcorder will let you change lenses? DOF? Give you that kind of sensitvity?
This a good thing. If you don't like it, don't buy it but wait till the 5DII (or whatever it's called) comes out and it has HD MOVIE MODE. Then what? My guess is that they'll spin into something like "Canon did the HD MOVIE MODE better than Nikon. I've been waiting my whole life for this."
semorg
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That's what I was trying to get across. Nikon has numerous inexpensive lenses that make this an affordable solution.
sureshmysore
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if Canon DSLR's can do HD video with any Canon Lens?
HDTV resolution = 1920x1080 ~ 2MP
What is the point of shooting video at 20MP but watch it at 2MP?
What is the point of shooting video at 20MP but watch it at 2MP?
Steven Noyes
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Only a Nikon fanboy or girl would think it is a good implementation. The lack of AF will make this feature worthless for the vast majority of the people that buy the D90 BECAUSE of this feature.
Most will be sold "it has a video mode" and end up with poorly focused movies substantially worse than their cell phone gives them.
There will be a small handful of people seriously interested in video capture that will by this and know how to properly use it. The VAST (think 95%+) of the people, however, will be very frustrated with its implementation.
It is a poorly thought out "me first" design.
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Most will be sold "it has a video mode" and end up with poorly focused movies substantially worse than their cell phone gives them.
There will be a small handful of people seriously interested in video capture that will by this and know how to properly use it. The VAST (think 95%+) of the people, however, will be very frustrated with its implementation.
It is a poorly thought out "me first" design.
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genotypewriter
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They want everything they can get for their buck... inbody IS, swivel screens, mor MPs and now video...
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Bob Jameson
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It's not for your TV. It's for the theater (big screen)!
semorg
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This is where nikon may have an edge. They are not worried about cannibalizing their own product line. Kind of like how new media web sites, didn't have to worry about cannibalizing their print business. And we know what happened there.
Carl Kirstein
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I agree, the Nikon's movie mode is very excitin! I can hardly wait for Canon to follow suite with their DSLRs. I am sure that in the near future the cameras will be adapted to give clips of more than 5min with stereo sound recording.
I do not think it is a great threat to current top camcorders such as Canon's XL2. Remember that those camcorders are highly modular, have better image stabilization, better ergonomics for motion, better battery life and a host of features that will not be possible using a DSLR body (plus they ALSO use EF lenses).
I think for indy producers this will open up a world of possibilities. Keep on bring the innovation Nikon, I love seeing stale technology have new room to grow in.
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I do not think it is a great threat to current top camcorders such as Canon's XL2. Remember that those camcorders are highly modular, have better image stabilization, better ergonomics for motion, better battery life and a host of features that will not be possible using a DSLR body (plus they ALSO use EF lenses).
I think for indy producers this will open up a world of possibilities. Keep on bring the innovation Nikon, I love seeing stale technology have new room to grow in.
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Per Zangenberg
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It can only record 5 seconds at the time. However if Canon could find a way to record HD video for longer periods and with autufocus that would be an absolutely groundbreaking feature, that I for one would regard higher than any other feature. And if they just include a microphone jack so you can use external mic. However you have to wonder if Canon would fear this cutting in to their VCR market.
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