Scott Larson
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I don't know about Canon's HD camcorders but the sensor in the XL2 (SD) has a 7.2X crop factor.
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D90 movie function is a game changer!!!
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Digital Coast Image
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The DOF comes from the lens attachment that connects to the camcorder. There are multiple lens mounts. Not just Nikon.
The process allows the shallow DOF to be passed off to the camcorder. Just read about it here:
http://www.cinevate.com/website/index.php
There are more expensive flavors out there. Personally, I have an M2 with a nikon mount on a Panasonic HVX200.
Redrock M2
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I wanted to do videography, I'd use my camcorder. Leave the movie mode with the P&S cameras.
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joebloe
Senior Member
Canon and Sony are much, much more concerned about intrusion from digital cine than they are about a first generation Nikon product. Get real. This hardly merits a topic. Much less a topic in the CANON FORUM.
BALLhead
Active member
So, you get less than half the time to shoot you're crumby, low resolution digital movie than a super high resolution movie camera does. Where's the digital advantage now?
Honestly, with the small size and low cost of today's digital camcorders and the abundant supply of point & shoots with video capabilities, I'm surprised that you're not all laughing your selves silly over this absurd proposal.
R Valentino
Senior Member
HD video cameras, that shoot real non compressed HD video with multi channel sound.
You won't see anyone making anything more than Utube or vacation video from the D90. Too many limitations in its current form.
Gene
You won't see anyone making anything more than Utube or vacation video from the D90. Too many limitations in its current form.
Gene
If you're going to shoot quality video several things come to mind. Video cameras need reach, i.e. a small sensor provide apparent reach for the lens. Video also needs audio, at least stereo with HD-quality sound. Finally, video has different storage needs than even high MP still.
It would be much easier to contruct an excellent video camera that also shoots 1080P-quality stills. 2:3 images at 1080x1620 should be just fine for newspaper and television.
I recommend not screwing up still cameras in order to shoot video but rather enhancing video cameras in order to produce quality stills.
It would be much easier to contruct an excellent video camera that also shoots 1080P-quality stills. 2:3 images at 1080x1620 should be just fine for newspaper and television.
I recommend not screwing up still cameras in order to shoot video but rather enhancing video cameras in order to produce quality stills.
Matt Cham
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Digital Coast Image
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... but I will give credit to one HUGE,
HUGE,
HUGE,
Huge benefit.
To be able to attach a fisheye or wide angle natively is awesome. With those lens attachments I mentioned you have to zoom into the frame a bit which means you lose a little bit of the width of any wider lens. Thats awesome.
And secondly, to be able to bump up ISO for lower light shooting is like bumping up gain in a camcorder, but if the noise reduction in the Nikon provides a cleaner image, then low lit scenes would benefit BIG TIME.
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HUGE,
HUGE,
Huge benefit.
To be able to attach a fisheye or wide angle natively is awesome. With those lens attachments I mentioned you have to zoom into the frame a bit which means you lose a little bit of the width of any wider lens. Thats awesome.
And secondly, to be able to bump up ISO for lower light shooting is like bumping up gain in a camcorder, but if the noise reduction in the Nikon provides a cleaner image, then low lit scenes would benefit BIG TIME.
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That has not been true at all in the computer/visual media arena. The cros pollination has been wonderful for all involved. Otherwise, we'd all still be editing video by splicing it at an angle.
I remember that we lamented the fact that some manufacturers were turning to CCDs for capturing video rather than plumbicons. And, the first were miserable by comparison. But, today, a person buying virtually any video camera over $200 can produce an image rivaling anything a $60K camera could do before CCDs changed the industry.
http://3DPrinterUsers.Blogspot.com
I remember that we lamented the fact that some manufacturers were turning to CCDs for capturing video rather than plumbicons. And, the first were miserable by comparison. But, today, a person buying virtually any video camera over $200 can produce an image rivaling anything a $60K camera could do before CCDs changed the industry.
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MichaelIsGreat
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You are right. It is nice to see Canon people who are different than Canon fanboys!
It is only the beginning of an exciting journey. Nikon has started a snow-ball effect than will move to Canon, Sony and other D-SLR camera makers.
They will compete between each other on giving a better video experience on their respective D-SLR cameras. And this competition will bring sooner rather than later 1080p at at least 30 fps and possibly later on at 60 fps! And all the bells and whistles that are not yet there in this first instance will be there later on.
I give two years for Nikon and Canon and all the others to start giving video on D-SLR cameras that is nothing less than compelling and even better than what is on offer on camcorders due to the bigger size of the sensors on D-SLR cameras.
The future is indeed very exciting
Nikon users, Canon users, and any user using other D-SLR cameras, we will all benefit and it will come quicker than one thought it would!
It is only the beginning of an exciting journey. Nikon has started a snow-ball effect than will move to Canon, Sony and other D-SLR camera makers.
They will compete between each other on giving a better video experience on their respective D-SLR cameras. And this competition will bring sooner rather than later 1080p at at least 30 fps and possibly later on at 60 fps! And all the bells and whistles that are not yet there in this first instance will be there later on.
I give two years for Nikon and Canon and all the others to start giving video on D-SLR cameras that is nothing less than compelling and even better than what is on offer on camcorders due to the bigger size of the sensors on D-SLR cameras.
The future is indeed very exciting
Nikon users, Canon users, and any user using other D-SLR cameras, we will all benefit and it will come quicker than one thought it would!
gary stepic
Veteran Member
The movie looked fine to me and I am sure there are limits as to what is shown on the web. I am curious what they would like like on a big screen tv, the site seems to say it may have better quality than many camcorders.
Very interesting.
Gary
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Very interesting.
Gary
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Digital Coast Image
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Yes. I totally agree.
But my post here which you jumped in on had to do with the fact that you can achieve this effect for under $2000 already, not the $10,000 that was quoted.
I was arguing as much as I was educating that there are other financially viable options already in existence for the indie shooter.
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But my post here which you jumped in on had to do with the fact that you can achieve this effect for under $2000 already, not the $10,000 that was quoted.
I was arguing as much as I was educating that there are other financially viable options already in existence for the indie shooter.
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akbarfoto
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I don't know why people just don't like changes and new things. the D90 is not a good camcorder for sure, but it is making camcorder products opening their eyes. camcorder with big sensor have been very, very, very expensive. now imagine that nikon actually makes camcorder that specifically uses this sensor and lenses that already available to them. they'll be really upsetting the camcorder industry and eventually follow their lead. eventually, it would be great for all of us.
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Z (is real)
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Depth of field will be very similar between the D90 and the Red One camera as the sensor sizes are quite close. (The Red is likely a bit larger than the area used in a D90 for video.) Not even considering the difference between 720P and 4K, in terms of actually shooting a movie for real, the D90 isn't going to work and the Red is already being used by a lot of top name directors and cinematographers.
(I am assuming the D90 uses the entire sensor width and downsamples appropriately. If it windows the center of the sensor, then it will have small sensor depth of field properties similar to existing consumer video cameras.)
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for those who doesnt know, film or drama HD productions are shot with manual focus, regardless of the lens used. There's a guy called "focus puller" in charge of that.
there are expensive accesories for video HD cams to adapt 35mm stuff, but they invert the image, lose one stop, have factor multipliers and many other different issues.
for the very low price of the D90, indie filmmakers willl have a camera that shoots 5mins of 24fps 720p HD video, with the DOF of 35mm, that takes ANY 35mm without adapters (including all those 20+ year old F mount lenses that can be bought for nothing on ebay). Think about macro, fishlens, 300 f2.8, or any f1.2 DOF. This is a revolution.
And they'll get a very decent DSLR for stills on top of that.
also, due that the D90 having standard NTSC+PAL and HDMI out, you can attach a 7" LCD to the tripod/dolly where the camera stands, to help pulling focus if the camera 3" is not big enough (that's how it is done in hollywood, btw).
AS LONG AS the video compression is good enough, the D90 will be HUGE in this camp alone.
there are expensive accesories for video HD cams to adapt 35mm stuff, but they invert the image, lose one stop, have factor multipliers and many other different issues.
for the very low price of the D90, indie filmmakers willl have a camera that shoots 5mins of 24fps 720p HD video, with the DOF of 35mm, that takes ANY 35mm without adapters (including all those 20+ year old F mount lenses that can be bought for nothing on ebay). Think about macro, fishlens, 300 f2.8, or any f1.2 DOF. This is a revolution.
And they'll get a very decent DSLR for stills on top of that.
also, due that the D90 having standard NTSC+PAL and HDMI out, you can attach a 7" LCD to the tripod/dolly where the camera stands, to help pulling focus if the camera 3" is not big enough (that's how it is done in hollywood, btw).
AS LONG AS the video compression is good enough, the D90 will be HUGE in this camp alone.
semorg
Leading Member
If you've ever watched a behind the scene setup, you'll see how much prefocusing is done. With ability to view the output on a monitor and combing with prefocusing I think that limitation can be overcome.
That said, I bet nikon will invest more on this technology if they see demand.
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That said, I bet nikon will invest more on this technology if they see demand.
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