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What's good enough for me may not be good enough for you.

I accept that.

What's good enough for you may not be good enough for me.

This is something you have to accept also.

This is true in every aspect of life, people, sports, tools and gear. There are no exceptions because nothing is everything to everybody.

While I appreciate a comparitive discussion and think they are good for those researching the options while making choices, I get tired of trolls not getting the fact that I made a intelligent decision when I chose my gear and it fits my needs well.

I'm not really interested in hearing that it doesn't fit someone else's needs or why or what does fit and why.

I'm very selfish and only care about my own needs really. At this point and time Olympus fills them and I don't care what you think of my choice.

Should that change, I will come to your forum and let you know.

Till then

GO BACK TO YOUR OWN %^#$ FORUM

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JimB
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Anything is possible except what you tell yourself isn't.
 
Hi There

and if a certain person tells me ONCE MORE that if I like the E3 I ought to go the whole hog and buy an FZ50 I think I might . . . . erm . . . well, actually he's rather big so I might not

:-)

horses for courses!

all the best

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Jono Slack said:
Hi There
and if a certain person tells me ONCE MORE that if I like the E3 I
ought to go the whole hog and buy an FZ50 I think I might . . . . erm
. . . well, actually he's rather big so I might not
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hand it over, I'll make it happen :)
Jono Slack said:
:-)

horses for courses!
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hey trigger !

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Riley

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Rriley said:
Jono Slack said:
Hi There
and if a certain person tells me ONCE MORE that if I like the E3 I
ought to go the whole hog and buy an FZ50 I think I might . . . . erm
. . . well, actually he's rather big so I might not
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hand it over, I'll make it happen :)
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You'll need long arms - he's a long way from you!
. . . but how much do you charge?
:-)
Rriley said:
Rriley said:
:-)

horses for courses!
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hey trigger !
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That's you isn't it? (see above)

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Or maybe completely ignoring "trolls" would be more effective? Its rather childish to come here and post about Olymous being bad, but I find it even more childish when someone feels compelled to reply and "defend" Olympus.......just keep quiet and go about life pretending they don't exist, and soon enough they'll go away.
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You're, obviously, 100% correct.

I believe that all of the current DSLR offerings are capable of producing very nice photographs and that new photographers have the ability to learn the capabilities and limitations of their chosen gear; and they all have both, to refute that is just denial.

Six years ago I bought into the Olympus philosophy of "built for digital from the ground up" after using, primarily, Canon film gear and don't regret that decision for one moment.

Are my cameras perfect? No they're not and I understand the limitations and work with those limitations and not against them.

The equipment I have is more than adequate for my use and I'm extremely pleased with it. Is it "good enough" for me? It's much better than "good enough!"

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rssarma said:
Or maybe completely ignoring "trolls" would be more effective? Its
rather childish to come here and post about Olympus being bad, but I
find it even more childish when someone feels compelled to reply and
"defend" Olympus.......just keep quiet and go about life pretending
they don't exist, and soon enough they'll go away.
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Too many are willing to feed the trolls here and often they are throwing the food on the ground. Troll comes in and makes a nasty little post, never to return and yet people feel compelled to defend their own choices.

I am not insecure with my choices, I make them very deliberately. I researched again before buying the E 3 when I realized I would be spending enough on the new body and swd lenses to buy a different system. I still chose Oly.

What's odd is you never see a troll offering to meet up with a good photographer using Oly gear in their area for comparative shooting. You would think that the chance to convince us would be the climax of trolling.

Then again, you can troll without a camera or the skills to use it. All that is required is a keyboard.

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JimB
Bug Whisperer

Anything is possible except what you tell yourself isn't.
 
Should I ever be able to shoot well enough to reach the limitations of my gear, I'll die a happy man.

Then again, I'm pretty dang happy right now. :)
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JimB
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Anything is possible except what you tell yourself isn't.
 
can you tell me whether does this hold true:

if the aperture, iso value and AOV/FOV is set to the same, pointed to the same scene with the same evaluative metering. The programmed exposure will select the same shutter speed too no matter what size of sensor you're using? and in the end the difference is just the DOF in the final image.

or

You'll actually end up with different shutter speeds with different sensors size hence the bigger sensor the more light gathering giving faster shutter speeds?

Just one thing i wish to be clear about how digital camera work.
 
If I understand your question correctly, here's the answer.

Should you use a light meter and that light meter tells you that the proper exposure is f/2.8 and 1/125" then that is the proper exposure for an 8x10 view camera, a 6X45 MF camera, a Nikon F1 film camera, a Canon 5D, an Olymous E-1, E-3, E-520, etc.
Nowhere on the lightmeter is there a factor for the size of the film or sensor.
Is that what you were looking for?
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Thanks bill, i can see clearly now....

So no matter what size of film or sensor you use, the settings for proper exposure will be the same. I kinda got lost in all the technical discussions that FF will give faster shutter cos its taking in more light with all other perimeters the same.

So can i say the only difference in the resulting image is actually the DOF that you're getting for different sensor size (noise/details/colours aside?)
Bootstrap said:
If I understand your question correctly, here's the answer.
Should you use a light meter and that light meter tells you that the
proper exposure is f/2.8 and 1/125" then that is the proper exposure
for an 8x10 view camera, a 6X45 MF camera, a Nikon F1 film camera, a
Canon 5D, an Olymous E-1, E-3, E-520, etc.
Nowhere on the lightmeter is there a factor for the size of the film
or sensor.
Is that what you were looking for?
--
Troll Whisperer
Bill Turner

Recent Images:
Please do not edit my images without asking permission.
Thanks.
http://www.pbase.com/wmdt131

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I did not, intentionally, refer to DOF as that is a different issue from exposure. I refuse to get involved in these arguments about DOF.
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HI Sadwitch
sadwitch said:
can you tell me whether does this hold true:

if the aperture, iso value and AOV/FOV is set to the same, pointed to
the same scene with the same evaluative metering. The programmed
exposure will select the same shutter speed too no matter what size
of sensor you're using? and in the end the difference is just the DOF
in the final image.
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I just went outside with the D700+24-70 zoom, and the E3 with the 12-60. I set them both on F5.6, 200 ISO, the D700 was at 70mm, and the E3 was at 35mm. This gives the same field of view AND the same angle of view.

The chosen scene was reasonably even (so as to try and eliminate the different metering). both came out at 1/500th of a second.

The depth of field was larger on the E3
sadwitch said:
or

You'll actually end up with different shutter speeds with different
sensors size hence the bigger sensor the more light gathering giving
faster shutter speeds?
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No, Wrong
sadwitch said:
Just one thing i wish to be clear about how digital camera work.
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Sorted?

all the best

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Jono Slack
http://www.slack.co.uk
 
Thanks for the affirmation! i just try it with my E330 and c8080 too....
They came out the same value too!!!

OK we shall stop here and not go into the DOF argument again as i see the advantages/disadvantages more clearly already.

Back to the OT.... very true its a matter of what i like and not what i 'should' like...

I'll love to be able to afford a full frame system for its applications still... but currently i've no need for it in the photos i wish to produce.
 
I may be stepping out in a limb here but is Olly sensors needed more light compared to FF wouldnt our lenses be bigger in stead of smaller?
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