Now that you own your 1D or D60.......

Bob Jarman · May 24, 2002

For all of you that have made the jump to either the D60 or the 1d, I have a question....

At this point it seems that Canon will most definately come out with something to upgrade the 1d in the fall. And I would assume that sometime in the near future they will come out with a EOS 3 type digital somewhere in between the 2k and 5k price points. (Although the second is merely conjecture.)

Now that you own your new cameras, If 1: You had to do it over again and 2: You didn't want to upgrade every time a new body came out,

What would you do now?

1: Buy the D60 all over again?

2: Buy the 1d?

3: Wait for the new 1d and keep shooting with your D30?

I have been struggling with this for several weeks now, and still can't make up my mind

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stan_g · May 24, 2002

1) I dearly loved my D30 but missed the AF of my Eos3 of 1V
2) I traded the D30 for a 1D and it is amazing (but much heavier and $$$)
3) I have a D60 on order and will trade my Elan7e for it.

Yes I would do the same over again if in the same time frame. If I had the op to do it again in this time frame? I would keep the D30, buy the 1D and wait fot a Eos3D type then trade the D30 for it.

Bob Jarman said:
1: Buy the D60 all over again?
2: Buy the 1d?
3: Wait for the new 1d and keep shooting with your D30?

Jeff Morris · May 24, 2002

stan_g said:
Bob Jarman said:

1: Buy the D60 all over again?
2: Buy the 1d?
3: Wait for the new 1d and keep shooting with your D30?

Click to expand...

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Bob Jarman · May 24, 2002

Interesting Stan,

Did you give any thought to keeping the film Eos3 and the 1d? What was you ideas behind keeping two diff digi bodies?

I have actually been considering keeping my D30, and buying a 1v or 1nRS. If I didn't have to deal with film again, this to me would be a pretty cool option!

stan_g said:
Yes I would do the same over again if in the same time frame. If I
had the op to do it again in this time frame? I would keep the D30,
buy the 1D and wait fot a Eos3D type then trade the D30 for it.

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Andrew Grant27981 · May 24, 2002

Bob Jarman said:
Interesting Stan,

Did you give any thought to keeping the film Eos3 and the 1d?
What was you ideas behind keeping two diff digi bodies?

One would assume that he does not want to deal with film anymore but still wants two bodies. Also the D60 has some advantages over the 1D other than just pixels.

Bob Jarman said:
I have actually been considering keeping my D30, and buying a 1v or
1nRS. If I didn't have to deal with film again, this to me would
be a pretty cool option!

Looks like you have answered your own question.

Lee Rothman · May 24, 2002

I would have done it the same way. I am more please with what the current 1D has delivered that I see NO reason to even be thinking about upgrade. The only likely things they will add are things I have no real use for (such as larger imager for larger files, maybe even a magnification review function like the D30, which I've gotten along without just fine). I am rather amazed at the high mp happy folks out there that are either deluded into thinking that they are going to be printing poster sized pictures a lot, or are crop happy and either don't have the focal length to compose right in the first place in order to avoid it. I'm sure to get flamed for that one, but I guess it's a "different strokes" kinda thing. Anyway, to stay on subject, the 1D has provided me with enough firepower in excess of the D30 I sold, that I find no desire or need to upgrade from here. With the selection of lenses I have at hand, that should do me for quite a while...So much of what what does and accomplishes is more so in the lenses than the camera itself in some cases.

Bob Jarman said:
For all of you that have made the jump to either the D60 or the
1d, I have a question....

At this point it seems that Canon will most definately come out
with something to upgrade the 1d in the fall. And I would
assume that sometime in the near future they will come out with a
EOS 3 type digital somewhere in between the 2k and 5k price points.
(Although the second is merely conjecture.)

Now that you own your new cameras, If 1: You had to do it over
again and 2: You didn't want to upgrade every time a new body came
out,

What would you do now?

1: Buy the D60 all over again?

2: Buy the 1d?

3: Wait for the new 1d and keep shooting with your D30?

I have been struggling with this for several weeks now, and still
can't make up my mind

--
Bob Jarman

'I don't know how I got over the hill without ever getting to the
top?'

http://rkjarman.com
http://www.usefilm.com/showport.php?uid=160

Woody W. · May 24, 2002

Bob,

Even though I am a computer guy and a gadget freak, I waited to get my first digital camera until I felt the quality was adequate for a price I was willing to pay. That camera was the S30, to replace my "pocket" go-everywhere-with-me film camera. I found that the image quality and convenience of this compact digital was high enough that my SLR (Canon Elan IIe/50e) was staying home more and more often.

I knew that a digital SLR was in my future, but again I waited until a threshold was reached - a Canon lens-mount SLR that I could afford. I wasn't interested in the ultra-high-speed and durability of the 1D, as my Elan was quite adequate from a basic camera spec standpoint. The D30 was really tempting - especially when the $1500 refurbs started showing up, but I also knew I didn't want to turn around and replace it any time soon. While 3mp was enough from my pocket camera, I knew I wanted to be able to do fairly tight crops from my SLR, so I sat tight until Canon introdued the D60 and set pricing. I immediately got my name on waiting lists from local dealers.

I am now the very happy owner of a D60, and would do it again in a heartbeat, though I might be a bit less inclined to multi-list. One of the dealers who didn't get the camera to me first (though he would have been my first choice as a supplier) essentially banned me for life because I did not get the camera from him.

In essence, the D60 meets my (non-pro) needs, and I meet its target demographic, perfectly.

Woody -

Bob Jarman said:
For all of you that have made the jump to either the D60 or the
1d, I have a question....

At this point it seems that Canon will most definately come out
with something to upgrade the 1d in the fall. And I would
assume that sometime in the near future they will come out with a
EOS 3 type digital somewhere in between the 2k and 5k price points.
(Although the second is merely conjecture.)

Now that you own your new cameras, If 1: You had to do it over
again and 2: You didn't want to upgrade every time a new body came
out,

What would you do now?

1: Buy the D60 all over again?

2: Buy the 1d?

3: Wait for the new 1d and keep shooting with your D30?

I have been struggling with this for several weeks now, and still
can't make up my mind

--
Bob Jarman

'I don't know how I got over the hill without ever getting to the
top?'

http://rkjarman.com
http://www.usefilm.com/showport.php?uid=160

Marco · May 24, 2002

Lee Rothman said:
I would have done it the same way. I am more please with what the
current 1D has delivered that I see NO reason to even be thinking
about upgrade.

I'm with Lee, I've upgraded to the 1D from the D30 and I'm delighted. Not only it has a better output, but it is a SUPERB tool, with plenty of top class features that hardly will be upgraded in the next release (a part from image sensor of course).

From what I've heard the next 1D? will be a 1.3x 6-8 Mp CCD with a slower fps and a narrowed ISO range.

I think that I'll set on my 1D until a X3 sensor 8-10 Mp full frame (ISO 100-3200) will be released (2-3 years probably...).

Well, I'm ready to eat my socks in the case the next 1D? will be "revolutionary"...

Marco

Frank Mueller · May 24, 2002

As a 1D owner, the only thing that I would really like to see in a future release that may get me to upgrade would be a better dust control system. IE, CMOS sensor that could keep up with the current specs of the 1D.

Lee Rothman said:
I would have done it the same way. I am more please with what the
current 1D has delivered that I see NO reason to even be thinking
about upgrade.

Frank Mueller

Guillaume in Paris · May 24, 2002

What if the next generation 1D had a full-frame sensor? wouldn't it be a huge reason for upgrading? and if it was full-frame with 6 or 8MP...

Question: will they ever produce a full-frame sensor? Why does it seem so hard or so non-urgent for them?

jim kelly · May 24, 2002

If your dealer is having a hard time selling it he should give me a call.

Banned for life - ouch - that smarts.

Theodore80476 · May 24, 2002

Lee Rothman said:
I would have done it the same way. I am more please with what the
current 1D has delivered that I see NO reason to even be thinking
about upgrade. The only likely things they will add are things I
have no real use for (such as larger imager for larger files, maybe
even a magnification review function like the D30, which I've
gotten along without just fine). I am rather amazed at the high mp
happy folks out there that are either deluded into thinking that
they are going to be printing poster sized pictures a lot, or are
crop happy and either don't have the focal length to compose right
in the first place in order to avoid it. I'm sure to get flamed for
that one, but I guess it's a "different strokes" kinda thing.

Not a flame Lee, but somehow I imagine, that 1 year from now, when Canon releases the 1Ds or whatever they are calling the eventual upgrade to the 1D, you'll be first in line to sell your 1D. Much like the D30/D60 phenonenom, all of a sudden some people tend to think that the 1D all of a sudden has no capability, because the new model will have more pixels, better sensor or whatever new gimmick comes along. Time has a way of changing ones mind, ...remember when all you used to preach was Sigma glass? How's that for a 180?

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Forrest41926 · May 24, 2002

Member said:
If your dealer is having a hard time selling it he should give me a
call.
Banned for life - ouch - that smarts.

Sounds like an old western ... "I want you outta my town by sundown, boy."

Forrest41926 · May 24, 2002

Jim Kelly said:
If your dealer is having a hard time selling it he should give me a
call.

Banned for life - ouch - that smarts.

Scott Larson · May 24, 2002

Canon took forever to get the 1D out. I'm not going to wait around for them to release the next model, especially if it just has a few more megapixels I don't need.

Woody W. · May 24, 2002

The wierd part is, I don't even know if he had one for me, as he didn't even give me a chance to explain. I'm pretty sure even if he had it though, it is now sold, as I did list his shop as a possible Chicago area source on this forum after the fact.

In giving me the boot, he also may have cost himself some serious add-on sales, as the day I came in and he kicked me out, I was planning to order a 100-400 IS. I have yet to buy the lens, though, and I may give him the chance to reconsider the ban before I give up buy someplace else - he really is one of the good guys...

Woody -

Jim Kelly said:
If your dealer is having a hard time selling it he should give me a
call.

Banned for life - ouch - that smarts.

Peter Sills · May 24, 2002

Bob,

I currently own the D30 and love it. I spent some time with the D60, and other than more pixels, there is really no difference, and I could not justify the cost to simply chew up more space on the MicroDrive (ie. less pictures). Even in printing (though there is some) the difference is minimal.

Hearing a bit about the new 1Ds coming this Fall, I am definitly waiting for it (and will keep my D30 as a backup camera for it). I would not buy a 1D now, given that the 1Ds is only 4+ months away. Then again I have the D30 to still learn to use for now.

Just my 2 cents.

Peter

Bob Jarman said:
Did you give any thought to keeping the film Eos3 and the 1d?
What was you ideas behind keeping two diff digi bodies?

I have actually been considering keeping my D30, and buying a 1v or
1nRS. If I didn't have to deal with film again, this to me would
be a pretty cool option!

stan_g said:

Yes I would do the same over again if in the same time frame. If I
had the op to do it again in this time frame? I would keep the D30,
buy the 1D and wait fot a Eos3D type then trade the D30 for it.

Click to expand...

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'I don't know how I got over the hill without ever getting to the
top?'

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Bob Jarman · May 24, 2002

Thanks for all the input from everyone. Looks like I need i made some kind of decision, as I think I just sold my D30 to a club member. Now just to decide between the 1d and the d60

If so,

Scott Larson said:
Canon took forever to get the 1D out. I'm not going to wait around
for them to release the next model, especially if it just has a few
more megapixels I don't need.

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Bill40515 · May 24, 2002

I bought the 1D and kept the D30 as a backup and for my wife. The D30 is a good camera and without having touched a D60 would suspect it is better in regards to picture quality. With that said I am very happy twith my 1D purchase, it has the autofocus I needed and more than enough resolution for my needs. I have had one photo from my D30 blownup to 24X36 so I am not very concerned with my ability to make poster size prints from the 1D if the need arises...I guess for me the autofocus and build quality out weighed the need for more pixels of the D60.

As for waiting for the new 1D or whatever to come out...digital cameras are just like computers, there will always be a new one and at some point you purchase what you need to get the job done. I plan on holding on to my 1D for many years...heck I still have my 25 year old Pentax K1000!

Bill

Jeff Morris said:
stan_g said:

Bob Jarman said:

1: Buy the D60 all over again?
2: Buy the 1d?
3: Wait for the new 1d and keep shooting with your D30?

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

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Adams, Gutmann, Steichen, Stigletz, Weston. they lead by example.

David Foster · May 24, 2002

It took a lot of effort (although not the kind apparently required for a D60) to get a 1D even four months following its release. If Canon releases a new version of the 1D in October, I wish you much luck in acquiring it in 2002. With higher resolution and presumably wicked capture rate it will eat storage space--both on the camera and elsewhere.

The 1D is a great camera. It has enough resolution unless you need to crop images or make poster-sized prints for commercial use. Built like a tank, it should last a decade or more. Any digital camera you buy (and at any time) will surely depreciate rapidly. That's the way it is. The D60 is a modest incremental upgrade of the D30. Its AF ability is marginal. (Its long exposure ability focused at infinity is remarkable). The 1D, however, is a quantum jump in build quality and capabilities. At a modest pace you'll spend months learning and trying out all of its capabilities.

In summary, if you are unconcerned or unhindered by the D30's AF and would like to transition to a camera with more pixels, get the D60. If you want to move to a radically superior camera (and with more pixels, just not as many) with much room for growth and adaptability, get the 1D.

You could also punt and just buy better glass and wait out Canon's next move. If your collection of fast, L-quality glass is rather limited, that could be the best move. The 70-200 is a fantastic lens that impresses me everytime I look at images I've taken with it. The 300 is similarly great.

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