Answer from Nikon to III

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JHolmes said:

JHolmes said:

QFT!

also the real pro's shoot MF and don't piddle around with dslr's.

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That quote is wrong. Depends on what you shoot. This Billboard I
shot with a D2X. It looks a little flat because I didn't change it
to sRGB for web. Client was very happy and I have worked with them
many times on different adds since.

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I was mostly kidding.

=)

but you bring up some good points, and points I try to make from time to time...

equipment doesn't matter (to a point) what matters more is going out and getting the shot.

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All these pictures were shot on a full frame DX sensor. Words like 'cropped' and 'crop factor' are used by people who think they need to sound snobby.

I have no time for these people.

nikon is still in business and doing quite well,

just fyi.

Bernie Ess said:

NKND200 said:

I teased my Nikon guy friend about the June 1st (Canon III date),
and he told me that Nikon will have a BIG answer for that around
fall, and will be BIG.

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to make a crop factor camera again, like the D2x: They need to do
both things in one: high rez in 1,2 crop of FF, and high speed (8
or 10MP in crop mode). If they answer the 1d Mk3 with a similar
camera, they will have nothing against the 1ds Mark III. I cannot
imagine them to come out with 2 pro cameras at the same time.

Basically they are half a year late, because many Nikon people will
give in to the seduction that is called MkIII and will ship soon.

If they will stick to Dx they will have a very hard time to
increase the resolution anyway, because 12MP is already a bit too
much for small sensors, I cannot imagine them going to 16Mp in a Dx
sensor - the ISO performance would be horrible above ISO 400....

At least - one could say - they are not trapped into the small
format like Oly who cannot go bigger.

Bernie

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All these pictures were shot on a full frame DX sensor. Words like 'cropped' and 'crop factor' are used by people who think they need to sound snobby.

I have no time for these people.

unlucky number.

it will be 5, as in Rebel Victory.

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Julia

andrewthomasdesigns said:

JHolmes said:

andrewthomasdesigns said:

QFT!

also the real pro's shoot MF and don't piddle around with dslr's.

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That quote is wrong. Depends on what you shoot. This Billboard I
shot with a D2X. It looks a little flat because I didn't change it
to sRGB for web. Client was very happy and I have worked with them
many times on different adds since.

Click to expand...

I was mostly kidding.

=)

but you bring up some good points, and points I try to make from
time to time...

equipment doesn't matter (to a point) what matters more is going
out and getting the shot.

--
http://www.andrewthomasdesigns.com

All these pictures were shot on a full frame DX sensor. Words like
'cropped' and 'crop factor' are used by people who think they need
to sound snobby.

I have no time for these people.

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Hey Andrew,

Thats cool. I was just trying to point out that with all the options we have it's a great time to be a photographer. We have so many options and no one camera is perfect. I love my Nikon, Fuji, Canon, Medium format and large format gear. I still love making contact prints from an 8 X 10 camera. But all cameras have their strengths and weaknesses.

All the best to you,
John

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After watching Joe Buissink's "Defining the Momenrt" (wedding photographer) he was using 3 Nikon bodies, many lenses, and showing what he does at weddings. Last year he switched to Canon. At WPPI this year he was sponsered by Canon-as one of the new members of "Explorers of Light". I was curious as to why he switched, as he has been shooting for sometime in LA, he is one person that stands out in the industry, and he has the eye and also the gear to make it happen. I then emailed Kevin Kobota who I respect and his comment was to the effect of " Canon has lots of money for PR and Canon gets more converts by supplying photographers $$ + cameras to use their system. At any given seminar that Joe speaks at, he just has to mention that his gear is Canon and the audience will follow that lead which in turn brings in more sales to Canon vs the cost to supply systems to these photographers. I honestly don't think Joe's shooting is better because he switch to Canon, he was already good before that switch and he did it with NIKON! I am wondering if Mike Colen is next to be bought.It's not the Camera that makes the shot, it's the one behind the lens.

..as no-one on the Canon forum knows or even has heard of anyone getting free gear from Canon - they get to try out early models and so on, and CPS does loaner services if you need a lens at a sports event, but those free cameras seem to exist on the Nikon forum and no-where else - since Canon do not appear to do too badly anyway in the pro market, why give away many thousands of pounds worth of gear?

ASD said:

After watching Joe Buissink's "Defining the Momenrt" (wedding
photographer) he was using 3 Nikon bodies, many lenses, and showing
what he does at weddings. Last year he switched to Canon. At WPPI
this year he was sponsered by Canon-as one of the new members of
"Explorers of Light". I was curious as to why he switched, as he
has been shooting for sometime in LA, he is one person that stands
out in the industry, and he has the eye and also the gear to make
it happen. I then emailed Kevin Kobota who I respect and his
comment was to the effect of " Canon has lots of money for PR and
Canon gets more converts by supplying photographers $$ + cameras to
use their system. At any given seminar that Joe speaks at, he just
has to mention that his gear is Canon and the audience will follow
that lead which in turn brings in more sales to Canon vs the cost
to supply systems to these photographers. I honestly don't think
Joe's shooting is better because he switch to Canon, he was already
good before that switch and he did it with NIKON! I am wondering if
Mike Colen is next to be bought.It's not the Camera that makes the
shot, it's the one behind the lens.

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Raul said:

jijiji

Greetings
raul

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pmsl ))))

regards
Peter

David Martin said:

..as no-one on the Canon forum knows or even has heard of anyone
getting free gear from Canon - they get to try out early models and
so on, and CPS does loaner services if you need a lens at a sports
event, but those free cameras seem to exist on the Nikon forum and
no-where else - since Canon do not appear to do too badly anyway in
the pro market, why give away many thousands of pounds worth of
gear?

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I have yet hear about anyone getting anything for free as well, and besides, why couldn't Nikon do this as well - do they not have the resources or the PR funds to afford tossing some rubles at a few pros that are leaning towards the dark side?

Don't you see how much publicity Canon gets when guys like Denis Riggie promote their product. It seems there are alot more Canon pros blowing the Canon horn and Canon is reaping the benifits. It called endorsements, and since they endorse the Canon product their is always some kind of reward. When was the last ad you saw that had 7 photographers all Nikon users promoting Nikon as being sports photographers or wedding photographers? It is also called association. If a beginner photographer is impressed with a certain photographers work he or she may want to use the same gear they use in hopes to be as good as them. They want to associate themselves with that product because so & so uses it so they want to be part of that camp.

I was at the Sportsshooter Academy IV a few weeks ago. They had a MKIII as a demo. The Nikon shooters were MUCH more excited about a new 2007 Body than the MKIII.

We found that it can take crappy pictures too when pointed in the wrong direction, or not properly exposed.
What a concept?

Truth: Most people making money with their equipment aren't switching anything. Too costly and time consuming. In fact, most don't read these nonsense posts (I should take that course myself eh?).

How much for your 17-55?
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Well, up until now, all the Nikon sensors have been made by SONY, with the exception of the D2H and the D2HS, which were made by Nikon.

So maybe it's worth looking out to see if Nikon has/is making announcements of new, home groawn sensors?
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NT = No Text

...low-level (eye-level/eye-line) flash is prohibited in most sporting venues for the obvious reason that having flash going off at eye-level can have adverse affects on player's performance (temporary blindness, anyone?). So, unless you're fortunate enough to have ceiling-mounted strobes, the cleanest possible performance at high ISO is what you need.
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Kabe Luna

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...use a little of everything, from 35mm film SLRs all the way up to large format cameras with scanning backs, even renting what they don't own to make sure they're using the best tool for the job at hand. If you actually knew any professional photographers, or if you had an ounce of professionalism yourself, you'd know this.

andrewthomasdesigns said:

Blackbone said:

"Many Nikon pros will have been forced to switch..."

If your equipment is doing what you want it to, and mine is doing
what I want it to, and countless others are getting the results
they want to, what in the world makes you think any Nikon users
will be "forced to switch"? You're caught up in the hype, now get
out there and take pictures.

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QFT!

also the real pro's shoot MF and don't piddle around with dslr's.

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http://www.andrewthomasdesigns.com

All these pictures were shot on a full frame DX sensor. Words like
'cropped' and 'crop factor' are used by people who think they need
to sound snobby.

I have no time for these people.

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/kabeluna/

With just two effective players in the pro market, and both of them well established, it just makes no sense to give away gear.

Now if and when Sony or Pentax get to make a FF or pro level camera, it is a different ball-game, and a couple of freebies to one or two prominent photographers may make sense to get themselves known in that market.
I repeat one or two.

The suggestion that Canon gives away sufficient quantities of gear to affect the number that are used at sporting events is, in my view, frankly ludicrous - Canon did not get to be a very profitable organisation indeed by giving away some of their finest products.

There are far simpler explanations for the high level of market penetration in the sports market than give-aways - just look at the huge cost of Nikon long glass for a start.

If Canon relies on give-aways to buy market share, why have they not taken over the fashion market too?

If I were in charge of Canon marketing and some idiot gave me a budget which enabled the buying of market share, I would certainly be targeting that sector not the already strong sports sector.

The reasons for Nikons relatively strong performance in the fashion sector are again quite simple, and nothing to do with their giving away cameras either - they have a very effective product for the job.

The legend of the great give-away is some of the daftest conspiracy theorising I have heard - perhaps we should rather believe that Canon are in league with aliens, and are having Nikon shooters at sports events abducted!

ASD said:

Don't you see how much publicity Canon gets when guys like Denis
Riggie promote their product. It seems there are alot more Canon
pros blowing the Canon horn and Canon is reaping the benifits. It
called endorsements, and since they endorse the Canon product their
is always some kind of reward. When was the last ad you saw that
had 7 photographers all Nikon users promoting Nikon as being sports
photographers or wedding photographers? It is also called
association. If a beginner photographer is impressed with a certain
photographers work he or she may want to use the same gear they use
in hopes to be as good as them. They want to associate themselves
with that product because so & so uses it so they want to be part
of that camp.

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Please see profile for equipment

ASD said:

ASD wrote:
When was the last ad you saw that had 7
photographers all Nikon users promoting Nikon
as being sports photographers or wedding
photographers? It is also called association. If
a beginner photographer is impressed with a certain
photographers work...

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The only people I ever talking about this, are the people in this forum. I never hear people in the D40/50/70/80 forum bemoaning the fact they foolishly bought a camera unseen on the sidelines of sports event.

ASD said:

They want to associate themselves with that
product because so & so uses it so they want
to be part of that camp.

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Yet somehow Nikon manages to sell consumer-level DSLRs. So do Olympus, Sony and Pentax.

Back in the 90's Nikon(UK) gave away a large number of brand new Nikon F4's to UK pro shooters, for no other reason than to reward them with their loyalty at a time when Canon were surging ahead. I worked alongside some of the recipients and saw the Nikon group hug of them holding their F4's.

Getty have given preferential deals for 'bulk purchases'. Canon also loan Getty equipment. A multi miliion pound company like Getty can secure the 'loan' of 'additional' super telephoto lenses for a 'three month' cricket tour - there again Getty may be providing Canon, in return, with images for Canon's use - a lot of back scratching goes on behind the scenes.

Canon and Nikon pro shooters, with equipment under warranty, would have a valid reason for borrowing pro stock loan gear if their equipment could not be repaired. In the early days AFS lenses were released without hardware or software equipment to enable repairs/adjustments - only Japan held such equipment (fact). It took many months before Nikon received the same test equipment and software to test and adjust defective or poorly calibratated lenses outside of Japan.

When Allsport were gobbled up by Getty around 70% were already Canon shooters. In the digital age it makes sense to be using the same files, makes bulk purchasing cost effective, and back in 2002/3 was a great opportunity for Canon to shut the door on Nikon.

I hope your right, but this info hardly sounds credible. In any case, BIG is in the eye of the beholder. What is BIG? Is it a full frame camera that just catches up to Canon's already aging 1Ds Mk II, or is it something that leapfrogs the current state of the art, and at least is on parity with the new 1D MK III? I hope that BIG means the latter, I really do. But I have to tell you that my faith in Nikon is somewhat shaky these days, as they've left the pro market to Canon for far too long. Here's hoping for a comeback though.