Spent the last week at the Canon SLR forum and...

I've been intrigued by the new Canon D60 camera coming out and have been trying to see what's been said about it and what the initial photos are looking like. I've had the E-10 for the last 1.5 years and have immensely enjoyed using it. Now I'm not going to discuss which camera is better (although dollar for dollar I still think the E-10 is the best camera out there) but I did notice something while looking around the Canon SLR forum. And I really only noticed it when I came back here and that is that we E-10 owners post a heck of a lot more photos than the Canon owners do. I'm not saying this is good or bad but it's refreshing to be able to see the art and creativity than just talk about it most the time. Just an observation.

James Sarantis said:

I've been intrigued by the new Canon D60 camera coming out and have
been trying to see what's been said about it and what the initial
photos are looking like. I've had the E-10 for the last 1.5 years
and have immensely enjoyed using it. Now I'm not going to discuss
which camera is better (although dollar for dollar I still think
the E-10 is the best camera out there) but I did notice something
while looking around the Canon SLR forum. And I really only noticed
it when I came back here and that is that we E-10 owners post a
heck of a lot more photos than the Canon owners do. I'm not saying
this is good or bad but it's refreshing to be able to see the art
and creativity than just talk about it most the time. Just an
observation.

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Well, I thought it was a somewhat interesting observation.

James, I thought I replied to this post yesterday when you first posted it, but I guess I forgot to hit the "Post" button. My response was something like, "YES, SMILE* , ....

James Sarantis said:

James Sarantis said:

I've been intrigued by the new Canon D60 camera coming out and have
been trying to see what's been said about it and what the initial
photos are looking like. I've had the E-10 for the last 1.5 years
and have immensely enjoyed using it. Now I'm not going to discuss
which camera is better (although dollar for dollar I still think
the E-10 is the best camera out there) but I did notice something
while looking around the Canon SLR forum. And I really only noticed
it when I came back here and that is that we E-10 owners post a
heck of a lot more photos than the Canon owners do. I'm not saying
this is good or bad but it's refreshing to be able to see the art
and creativity than just talk about it most the time. Just an
observation.

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Well, I thought it was a somewhat interesting observation.

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--Olympus E-10 (Still tilting at windmills...foolish me!)Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/galleries/cokids

Hi James

I also like the fact that we share more of our results. I think there is a lot gained and learned by seeing the post, such as technique, style, comosition, inspiration, photo op ideas and on and on. Not to mention just enjoying seeing some very fine photo art by some very talented people.
Regards: Will Walton

Hi James

long time ago (when I first came here) if you posted photos, some would simply point you at the Samples and Galleries forum and say that you were in the wrong place.

But I agree - it's good to see and discuss other's work - generally speaking it's much less prone to the dreaded troll disease too!

kind regards
jono slack

James Sarantis said:

I've been intrigued by the new Canon D60 camera coming out and have
been trying to see what's been said about it and what the initial
photos are looking like. I've had the E-10 for the last 1.5 years
and have immensely enjoyed using it. Now I'm not going to discuss
which camera is better (although dollar for dollar I still think
the E-10 is the best camera out there) but I did notice something
while looking around the Canon SLR forum. And I really only noticed
it when I came back here and that is that we E-10 owners post a
heck of a lot more photos than the Canon owners do. I'm not saying
this is good or bad but it's refreshing to be able to see the art
and creativity than just talk about it most the time. Just an
observation.

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--Jono Slack http://www.slack.co.uk

I will toss in my agreement with your observation. I learn a lot by being able to see what others are able to do with the equipment that I'm using as well as learning a lot by hearing what others have to say about the shots. For someone like me, an amateur "enthusiast," it also gives us the confidence to post our own efforts. At times to share an experience, and at other times to get others to comment and advise.

The goal (for me) is to become a better digital photographer and this is the place to do that.

--DM

James,

I agree with yuor observation but as everyone knows that will soon change when one of our more prolific shooters gets his D60. I'm sure that he will continue to share his results there as his farewell here was only topped by his welcome over there!
LesDMess

James Sarantis said:

I've been intrigued by the new Canon D60 camera coming out and have
been trying to see what's been said about it and what the initial
photos are looking like. I've had the E-10 for the last 1.5 years
and have immensely enjoyed using it. Now I'm not going to discuss
which camera is better (although dollar for dollar I still think
the E-10 is the best camera out there) but I did notice something
while looking around the Canon SLR forum. And I really only noticed
it when I came back here and that is that we E-10 owners post a
heck of a lot more photos than the Canon owners do. I'm not saying
this is good or bad but it's refreshing to be able to see the art
and creativity than just talk about it most the time. Just an
observation.

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--Oly SLR discussion group albums, full size photo and info @ http://www.fototime.com/inv/086F92046880B2F and http://www.fototime.com/inv/20392A0E8516C9A Once in fototime, click on a thumbnail to enlarge in a navigation window.

I visted this froum just today and quite surprised about tons of information here. I am getting my canon D30 next week and although this is not the forum for my camera I will enjoy visiting this forum as there are a lot of information here and love looking at the photos. I always believe that the camera is only a tool and its your creativity and technique that matter.

Happy shooting.

DM said:

I will toss in my agreement with your observation. I learn a lot by
being able to see what others are able to do with the equipment
that I'm using as well as learning a lot by hearing what others
have to say about the shots. For someone like me, an amateur
"enthusiast," it also gives us the confidence to post our own
efforts. At times to share an experience, and at other times to get
others to comment and advise.

The goal (for me) is to become a better digital photographer and
this is the place to do that.

--
DM

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Les that is probably true but then he will have to survive the financial **** of his wallet first and see if he actually gets what he thought he would out of the D60. It will be interesting to note his comparisons as he grows within the limitations of the D60. Jaja will probably give us the most in depth an accurate report of what the differences really are. I am looking forward to that part of it.

Jason

LesDMess said:

James Sarantis said:

I've been intrigued by the new Canon D60 camera coming out and have
been trying to see what's been said about it and what the initial
photos are looking like. I've had the E-10 for the last 1.5 years
and have immensely enjoyed using it. Now I'm not going to discuss
which camera is better (although dollar for dollar I still think
the E-10 is the best camera out there) but I did notice something
while looking around the Canon SLR forum. And I really only noticed
it when I came back here and that is that we E-10 owners post a
heck of a lot more photos than the Canon owners do. I'm not saying
this is good or bad but it's refreshing to be able to see the art
and creativity than just talk about it most the time. Just an
observation.

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--
Oly SLR discussion group albums, full size photo and info @
http://www.fototime.com/inv/086F92046880B2F and
http://www.fototime.com/inv/20392A0E8516C9A Once in fototime, click
on a thumbnail to enlarge in a navigation window.

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--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera

I am glad the Canon D60 forum is like that, it seems the Oly SLR forum
just shows the same work. Nothing new, just the same boring photos
over and over again.

I for one believe to understand photography it is not the camera
that is important. Go over to Digital Photo Contest at:

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/

and see and learn about photography. You will see that it not so
much the camera but the photographer. What I think is the problem
here is people are afraid to let their photos be compared to photos
taken with D30 or D1. Technically they are better camera, artistically
well then it depends on the photographer and not the camera.
Many here will say that is a nice photo. Ask to explain why,
they will scratch their head because really do not a have reason.

Yes James Sarantis, stay in the Oly SLR Forum where it is safe
and warm. Do not venture out into the real world you might
learn something.

Another nice thing about the Canon SLR Foum, is that they do not
compared themselves to other forums.

My two cents

Bill

Well here you are again William C with your attempt to disrupt and flame a completely honest post. I as well visit the Canon forum as well as others and I do not notice you posting the same negativity over there. If you are not doing any comparisions then why are you comparing in this post of yours. Is sort of like calling the kettle black isn't it? I have yet to see you post your pictures in this forum or the other so it makes one wonder where you really speak from. If you want to teach us something then fine post your artistic accomplishments with whatever camera you choose and point out to us why it is so good and why it allows you to make a condensending posts like this and others that you have in the past. Unless you can do that and do it consistently I am pretty that it would not matter to any of us which end you talk out of because it all seems to smell the same when you post in this forum.

Jason

William C said:

I am glad the Canon D60 forum is like that, it seems the Oly SLR forum
just shows the same work. Nothing new, just the same boring photos
over and over again.

I for one believe to understand photography it is not the camera
that is important. Go over to Digital Photo Contest at:

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/

and see and learn about photography. You will see that it not so
much the camera but the photographer. What I think is the problem
here is people are afraid to let their photos be compared to photos
taken with D30 or D1. Technically they are better camera, artistically
well then it depends on the photographer and not the camera.
Many here will say that is a nice photo. Ask to explain why,
they will scratch their head because really do not a have reason.

Yes James Sarantis, stay in the Oly SLR Forum where it is safe
and warm. Do not venture out into the real world you might
learn something.

Another nice thing about the Canon SLR Foum, is that they do not
compared themselves to other forums.

My two cents

Bill

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--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera

William C said:

I am glad the Canon D60 forum is like that

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I'm happy that you're happy

, it seems the Oly SLR forum

Member said:

just shows the same work.

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No we don't

Nothing new, just the same boring photos

Member said:

over and over again.

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That's a gross misrepresentation, and at this point, I think you've lost a lot of credibility with anything else you're going to say.

Member said:

I for one believe to understand photography it is not the camera
that is important.

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Isn't that the thrust of my original post?

Go over to Digital Photo Contest at:

Member said:

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/

and see and learn about photography.

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And thousands of other sites and sources I'm sure.

You will see that it not so

Member said:

much the camera but the photographer.

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Again, it almost seems like you're agreeing with me.

What I think is the problem

Member said:

here is people are afraid to let their photos be compared to photos
taken with D30 or D1.

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I can appreciate your opinion. 100% of E-10 users would disagree with you however for what that's worth.

Technically they are better camera,

In many areas I would agree, in some, no.

artistically

Member said:

well then it depends on the photographer and not the camera.

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Commented on twice before.

Member said:

Many here will say that is a nice photo.

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And here comes the "but"

Ask to explain why,

Member said:

they will scratch their head because really do not a have reason.

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Oh, I think a lot do have a reason, that is I think you're referring to the technical reason. But you digress.

Member said:

Yes James Sarantis, stay in the Oly SLR Forum where it is safe
and warm.

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No thanks, I won't just stay here. In fact, I've actually been to every other forum on this site. Does that shock you? Could it be there are good reasons why we purchased an E-10? And don't you think we might venture out to the Canon forum for example and maybe derive some good information there about a possible upgrade or see some of their work?

Do not venture out into the real world you might

Member said:

learn something.

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Oh I get it, cutting sarcasm. But I think I'm starting to see why you were offended with my post. Don't worry, I was just making an observation. I'm the type of guy that likes to see people's work. You may be the type of guy that likes to see lots of technical talk. I can appreciate that too. Are either of us right or wrong in these opinions?

Member said:

Another nice thing about the Canon SLR Foum, is that they do not
compared themselves to other forums.

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But you just compared the Canon SLR Forum with that very statement! Or are you thinking it's okay to do so if you're defending your forum.

Member said:

My two cents

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I'm glad we had this friendly debate. Let's do it again some time.

James

Jason Stoller said:

If you are not doing any comparisions then why are you
comparing in this post of yours.

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I complain about the complainers or cry babies. But as the
person stated in his post, he did spend two weeks there and
came to a conclusion that is mind bugling. I guess in the Canon
forum they are all taking about the pros and cons on the D60.
Because that is what is hot right now in the forum. I guess
he missed all the new photos posted there over the last two weeks.

But some of snobs of this forum would not discuss anything
about Oly next camera if they where going to released one.
No they would be discussion photo. Get a grip on reality or stop
watching Star Trek!

Earth to Jason Stroller please come in.

Bill

William you confirm over and over again that people have overestimated your intelligence! Please forgive us for doing that. The poster did not confirm anyting and if you were down here on earth then maybe you know that all you have going on in the Canon forum right now is speculation, pissed off D30 users who are seeing a product come out for less money than what most of them paid to start with that offers twice the resolution so it impacts the D30 to begin with and devalues it. If you are in love with Canon then thats great , but I do not understand and I am sure there are many others that will join me in this, is why are you over in the Oly SLR forum crying about who is over visiting Canon or any other forum. Why is it that you constantly put down other people work and have nothing positive to say? Why is William that you cannot seem to spell my last name right even when its in priint in the previous post? It seems to me that you have more problems going on than anyone else because we sure are not seeking you out in any forum and rightly so. The bottom line here William is simple! No one cares where you go or what you have to say so you come over here making negative posts looking for attention. I appoligize because we all thought this was a photography forum and did not realize that we were here to do your Anger Management therapy!

Jason

William C said:

Member said:

If you are not doing any comparisions then why are you
comparing in this post of yours.

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I complain about the complainers or cry babies. But as the
person stated in his post, he did spend two weeks there and
came to a conclusion that is mind bugling. I guess in the Canon
forum they are all taking about the pros and cons on the D60.
Because that is what is hot right now in the forum. I guess
he missed all the new photos posted there over the last two weeks.

But some of snobs of this forum would not discuss anything
about Oly next camera if they where going to released one.
No they would be discussion photo. Get a grip on reality or stop
watching Star Trek!

Earth to Jason Stroller please come in.

Bill

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--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera

Flame / Attacks - We do not tolerate abusive, malicious, personal attacks or self-promoting messages.

William C said:

I am glad the Canon D60 forum is like that, it seems the Oly SLR forum
just shows the same work. Nothing new, just the same boring photos
over and over again.

I for one believe to understand photography it is not the camera
that is important. Go over to Digital Photo Contest at:

http://www.digitalphotocontest.com/

and see and learn about photography. You will see that it not so
much the camera but the photographer. What I think is the problem
here is people are afraid to let their photos be compared to photos
taken with D30 or D1. Technically they are better camera, artistically
well then it depends on the photographer and not the camera.
Many here will say that is a nice photo. Ask to explain why,
they will scratch their head because really do not a have reason.

Yes James Sarantis, stay in the Oly SLR Forum where it is safe
and warm. Do not venture out into the real world you might
learn something.

Another nice thing about the Canon SLR Foum, is that they do not
compared themselves to other forums.

My two cents

Bill

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Flame / Attacks - We do not tolerate abusive, malicious, personal attacks or self-promoting messages.

William C said:

Member said:

If you are not doing any comparisions then why are you
comparing in this post of yours.

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I complain about the complainers or cry babies. But as the
person stated in his post, he did spend two weeks there and
came to a conclusion that is mind bugling. I guess in the Canon
forum they are all taking about the pros and cons on the D60.
Because that is what is hot right now in the forum. I guess
he missed all the new photos posted there over the last two weeks.

But some of snobs of this forum would not discuss anything
about Oly next camera if they where going to released one.
No they would be discussion photo. Get a grip on reality or stop
watching Star Trek!

Earth to Jason Stroller please come in.

Bill

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Jason Stoller said:

William you confirm over and over again that people have
overestimated your intelligence! Please forgive us for doing that.

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Hmmm and this after complaining about how William, flames people? Jason, do you not see the irony here?

Jason Stoller said:

all you have going on in the Canon
forum right now is speculation, pissed off D30 users who are seeing
a product come out for less money than what most of them paid to
start with that offers twice the resolution so it impacts the D30
to begin with and devalues it.

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Jason, what the heck are you talking about? Have you spent anytime in the CanonSLR Forum or are you just making this up as you go along?

Most D30 users are intrigued to hear about the D60, but not willing to upgrade to what has been termed "Canon's E20". (same camera, more pixels, not REALLY adressing what concerns we had with things like focus)

Most users had hoped for the equivalant of a Digital EOS3. (I'll wait for that one) Sure some will upgrade, and new users will buy into the D60 (Bravo Jaja, I look forward to your posts!) as the D30 has been discoed, but I imagine most will stay with the D30.

I have yet to see a "pissed off D30 person" complaining about the D60 being less (when in fact its MSRP is the exact same price, as the D30 was when it was released). Time marches on, there is more competition, the D30 is just about 2 years old now, if Canon cannot make a better camera for about the same price as one two years old, using mostly the same parts, they'd have a big problem.

Jason Stoller said:

It seems to me that you have more problems going on
than anyone else because we sure are not seeking you out in any
forum and rightly so. The bottom line here William is simple! No
one cares where you go or what you have to say so you come over
here making negative posts looking for attention.

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Jason, it seems to me that William has got your full and undivided attention, and has it often, when he posts. Jason, one thing about "jumping into a mud fight", no one call tell the two of you apart when you both come out.--TheodoreInsert witty comment here.

Edwin, your sentiments about a camera being only a tool are simpler to mine. Enjoy your new D30.

edwinC said:

Happy shooting.

DM said:

I will toss in my agreement with your observation. I learn a lot by
being able to see what others are able to do with the equipment
that I'm using as well as learning a lot by hearing what others
have to say about the shots. For someone like me, an amateur
"enthusiast," it also gives us the confidence to post our own
efforts. At times to share an experience, and at other times to get
others to comment and advise.

The goal (for me) is to become a better digital photographer and
this is the place to do that.

--
DM

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--Greg

greg mclemore said:

edwinC said:

Happy shooting.

DM said:

I will toss in my agreement with your observation. I learn a lot by
being able to see what others are able to do with the equipment
that I'm using as well as learning a lot by hearing what others
have to say about the shots. For someone like me, an amateur
"enthusiast," it also gives us the confidence to post our own
efforts. At times to share an experience, and at other times to get
others to comment and advise.

The goal (for me) is to become a better digital photographer and
this is the place to do that.

--
DM

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Greg

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--Greg

Well Theodore it appears you are clearly misinformed. Maybe you should check and see if I posted in any other forum besides this one lately and then you can post an appology and a correction. Everything I said in the post you are complaining about is true. All you have to do is read the posts in the Canon forum that were during PMA and it will not be hard to find what I mentioned.

Regards

Jason

Theodore said:

Jason Stoller said:

William you confirm over and over again that people have
overestimated your intelligence! Please forgive us for doing that.

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Hmmm and this after complaining about how William, flames people?
Jason, do you not see the irony here?

Theodore80476 said:

all you have going on in the Canon
forum right now is speculation, pissed off D30 users who are seeing
a product come out for less money than what most of them paid to
start with that offers twice the resolution so it impacts the D30
to begin with and devalues it.

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Jason, what the heck are you talking about? Have you spent anytime
in the CanonSLR Forum or are you just making this up as you go
along?

Most D30 users are intrigued to hear about the D60, but not willing
to upgrade to what has been termed "Canon's E20". (same camera,
more pixels, not REALLY adressing what concerns we had with things
like focus)

Most users had hoped for the equivalant of a Digital EOS3. (I'll
wait for that one) Sure some will upgrade, and new users will buy
into the D60 (Bravo Jaja, I look forward to your posts!) as the D30
has been discoed, but I imagine most will stay with the D30.

I have yet to see a "pissed off D30 person" complaining about the
D60 being less (when in fact its MSRP is the exact same price, as
the D30 was when it was released). Time marches on, there is more
competition, the D30 is just about 2 years old now, if Canon cannot
make a better camera for about the same price as one two years old,
using mostly the same parts, they'd have a big problem.

Theodore80476 said:

It seems to me that you have more problems going on
than anyone else because we sure are not seeking you out in any
forum and rightly so. The bottom line here William is simple! No
one cares where you go or what you have to say so you come over
here making negative posts looking for attention.

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Jason, it seems to me that William has got your full and undivided
attention, and has it often, when he posts. Jason, one thing about
"jumping into a mud fight", no one call tell the two of you apart
when you both come out.
--
Theodore

Insert witty comment here.

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--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera