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Further News from SIGMA - another cam in the Pipe - the DP1

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Say that's true, then for a Canon SD400, which has a 5.8mm lens, you should be able to handhold a shot at 1/6 sec. Try that and you'll realize it's impossible to get a clear shot. The mutiplication factor does get involved when you blow it up. There's a bunch of physics involved with it i'd like to not go into
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the pop up flash looks like it should help in low light. I'm glad they learned from the SD10 about implementing a built in flash, I wonder how strong it is.
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John Bean (UK) said:
JensR said:
Wow, is this the true digital Ricoh GR, that Ricoh did not build!?
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Nearly. No fast lens, no optical VF. Shame.

But I still want one :-)
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Well, a fast lens on a GR-sized sensor isn't very meaningful. There's still way too much depth of field, and high ISO performance (that's > 200 in compact terms) really leave a lot to be desired. I would not be surprised at all if this APS-C sized Foveon sensor looks as good at ISO 400 as the 1/1.8" sensors at ISO 64.

As for optical VF, it's down to personal preference. Better for shaky hands maybe, but live LCD has its plus points too (100% accurate composition, macro, allowing you to see outside of what you're framing). Give me a live LCD that works well in low/strong light any day over an optical squintfinder.

But like you, I want one too :-)

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Paul Paris Les Images said:
.. but will the point&shoot "folk"see this difference who let make
prints not bigger than 10x15 cm's.? I doubt,
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This camera seems to be target squarely as a compact carry along camera for people that already have Sigma DSLRs.

I wish it had at least a 2X zoom though.

And, of course, I'd rather they just did away with the lens and had a Sigma DSLR lens mount on the danged thing. That'd pretty much do it for me - especially if they also included a high magnification focus check mode.

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Peter G said:
I don't get the motivation. A tunnel viewfinder for a non zoom
fixed lens would be trivial. It would also save batteries and you
could avoid running the chip in continuous mode. Which I think
should be an advantage for noise if you only run the chip during
capture.
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The hot sensor from continuous running seems to be mostly a myth. Fixed lens digitals don't have a problem. The E-330 doesn't have a problem, and he Sony R1 doesn't have a problem with this.

But yes, considering the lens is fixed focus, you'd think they'd give you the option.

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ole thofte said:
It's plain to see that the new p&s has a lot of interest with
people coming from other camera systems. A way to try out the
Foveon sensor without buying into another system, no doubt. It's
going to be interesting if it really catches on!

Ole
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Maybe also interesting for me ....

I am considdering to let the SD14 pass along... then buy a DP-1 and a Pentax K10D.... or maybe a Nikon D80..... to have the best of both worlds...
Of course its all down to the price and high ISO performance of the SD14.....
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CHEBB said:
Wow - outta left field comes this camera - sweet! Might add this to
the wish list for Santa (a.k.a. My lovely wife)
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Damn, this is one of those moments I wish I was married :D

Miikael Leskinen
 
Jay Turberville said:
Jay Turberville said:
.. but will the point&shoot "folk"see this difference who let make
prints not bigger than 10x15 cm's.? I doubt,
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This camera seems to be target squarely as a compact carry along
camera for people that already have Sigma DSLRs.

I wish it had at least a 2X zoom though.

And, of course, I'd rather they just did away with the lens and had
a Sigma DSLR lens mount on the danged thing. That'd pretty much do
it for me - especially if they also included a high magnification
focus check mode.
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That wouldnt work.... the SLR - lenses have a far greater registration distance .... but they could put an Leica M mount on it....
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Peter A. Stavrakoglou said:
Dominic Groß said:
Paul Paris Les Images said:
.. moving subjects framing with a LCD is an disaster, this camera
is "Spielerei" (= playing with a toy),
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the big question is how well it is implement, maybe we should all
wait for that before jumping to any conclusions.
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As well as it may be implemented, I hate not having a viewfinder,
even an EVF. My first digicam was the excellent Fuji s6900Z which
had the LCD and an EVF. I can count on one hand the number of
times I used the LCD to shoot. I never got used to using it but at
at the right price, I'd be willing to give this one a try as long
as the image quality is good.
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well I agree a good real EVF would probably the best option here

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Peter G said:
First reason is noise. To me the Sony R1 shows that you get more
noise running the Sensor constantly to generate the video feed.
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Actually DPReview has run tests on the R1 and the E-330 that show that this isn't the case at all.

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sonydscr1/page16.asp
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse330/page18.asp

Sensor consume very little power and therefore generate little heat. You simply design to keep the compnents that do generate heat away from the sensor. And even then, heat generated noise is generally only an issue with long exposure (one second and longer), not shorter ones.
Peter G said:
Second. Battery life. Whatever the battery life, it would last many
times longer if it had a viewfinder. I would use this camera on
hiking trips. That matters a lot.
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That could be an issue. It depends a lot on the battery they use. My C7070 gets over 400 shots on single battery charge. Some do even more.

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Optical vievfinder, tilt lcd, 22mm or 28mm 2,8 lens version options, would be my wishes. Then that would be the camera for me, wouldnt even bother with slrs ;)
 
Jay Turberville said:
generally only an issue with long exposure (one second and longer),
not shorter ones.
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Ok, so noise probably a non issue.
Jay Turberville said:
Jay Turberville said:
Second. Battery life. Whatever the battery life, it would last many
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Jay Turberville said:
That could be an issue. It depends a lot on the battery they use.
My C7070 gets over 400 shots on single battery charge. Some do
even more.
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And if you exclusively used OVF, you could get 800+. Still a good reason to have an OVF IMO.

A fixed FOV camera is the perfect opportunity to put in a decent OVF. You only have to design for a single FOV. Center it over the lens and you only have vertical parallax to worry about and you could have VERY accurate horizontal framing.

In bright sunshine, I would much rather look through a nice OVF, holding it to my face, than holding it out and try to find a way to reduce glare.

If price an image quality are there, I may still be interested, but lack of OVF is a big detriment in my book. Only very low end P&S seem to be going this route.
 
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