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K10D!!! But, *this* is NOT there...
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geoffcole
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While AA Lithium and AA Alkaline disposables claim a nominal 1.5V each -- so what it comes down to is whether AA rechargeables are intended to replace proprietary rechargeables (no advantage IMO) or whether AAs (in particular disposable AAs) are intended as emergency power-sources only.
Ben Rubinstein
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Hey, I did check into this before forking out the cash ;-)
Wein digi slaves are not reliable enough for pro use when used with pre flash systems according to questions I asked on a few pro boards, they aren't consistent enough to rely on. When I'm lighting up a large room with high ceilings in order to provide even and increased ambient lighting, no amount of wireless flashes will suffice, I use wireless flash with the canon system but the range is nowhere near what I need (10-20m) and the power only a tiny fraction of what I'm regularly using. The accessories you mention still do not provide PC sockets.
Believe me mate, I want this to work, having read the preview again here on DPReview this camera beats my old 1Ds for customising the CF's, the new auto iso modes are incredible when customised throgh said CF's, the grip looks great and I am impressed with the system, the older system meaning swopping batteries and in my canon's case, replacing the battery door, is far slower to use when for example switching to a backup body. SR is heaven sent for someone who can't shoot a 70mm lens under a 1/100, having the metering modes on dials- WOW I hat buttons when working fast with the camera to my eye.
If there is a solution for pc sync while using TTL flash then please let me know...
While it appears that Pentax has created a fantastic SLR, I think however that it needed to include ISO 3200.
Doing so would help separate it from the competition, which may help attracting more customers.
The omission of ISO 3200 puzzles me when the camera has 22 bit image sampling.
Although I wished the K10D would allow 22 bit RAW file captures without down sampling them to 12 bit.
I want to purchase the K10D, and plan to use it with the fast lenses that I own–FA 85 mm 1.4 & 50 mm F 1.4–while attaching the slower lenses to my *ist DS because it offers ISO 3200. Such as the DA 12-24 mm F4.0 for example.
May be in the future Pentax will up date the camera's firmware to include ISO 3200?
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Doing so would help separate it from the competition, which may help attracting more customers.
The omission of ISO 3200 puzzles me when the camera has 22 bit image sampling.
Although I wished the K10D would allow 22 bit RAW file captures without down sampling them to 12 bit.
I want to purchase the K10D, and plan to use it with the fast lenses that I own–FA 85 mm 1.4 & 50 mm F 1.4–while attaching the slower lenses to my *ist DS because it offers ISO 3200. Such as the DA 12-24 mm F4.0 for example.
May be in the future Pentax will up date the camera's firmware to include ISO 3200?
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Robert Barnett
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I would be bet that once the camera comes out we will see third party batteries and chargers that charge faster than the one that comes with the camera. When you can charge the battery in less than 30 minutes a car adapter for using the charger on the road becomes a useful item. Longer than 30 minutes is a problem.
Robert
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The five p cabling and shoes coupled with one of these should do it, shouldn't it?? As long as the Bowens can count by 2 and ignore the first pulse..... Flash is not my strong point, not sure I have a strong point, but seems technically feasable. Petty sure they can be stacked as well, some are/were 2 ports (L and R). They were built mostly for the 645 I think and there would be a hotshoe grip to go along with it.
http://www.adorama.com/BZPRT.html?sid=11582590525304973
Sure you did your homework but in case,
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/flashes/index.html
Throw in a MV1 on the off camera hot shoe./ ?????
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http://www.adorama.com/BZPRT.html?sid=11582590525304973
Sure you did your homework but in case,
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/flashes/index.html
Throw in a MV1 on the off camera hot shoe./ ?????
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Ben Rubinstein
Active member
Quote from your 2nd link - "It transfers only the "trigger" and "ready" flash signals" about the MV1...The five p cabling and shoes coupled with one of these should do
it, shouldn't it?? As long as the Bowens can count by 2 and ignore
the first pulse..... Flash is not my strong point, not sure I have
a strong point, but seems technically feasable. Petty sure they can
be stacked as well, some are/were 2 ports (L and R). They were
built mostly for the 645 I think and there would be a hotshoe grip
to go along with it.
http://www.adorama.com/BZPRT.html?sid=11582590525304973
Sure you did your homework but in case,
http://kmp.bdimitrov.de/flashes/index.html
Throw in a MV1 on the off camera hot shoe./ ?????
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I'm afraid I need full TTL control, thanks anyway.
J. Francis
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That depends which part of it you read.
I believe the basic power zoom works (that only needs power),
but the image size tracking and suchlike are not supported.
Hi Ben
And when you get that K10D as a "street rig", how do you like having three chargers lying around? One for your Canon, one for the AAs of your flashes and one for the Pentax. I'd rather pack another lens in my bag than chargers...
Jens
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AFAIK, the difference is much less than that.
You know, now that Pentax has decided to use evil proprietary batteries, I could just ignore that stuff. But with 40'000 shots with NiMH on my DS, I just can't help but still be amazed at those comments.
Faster than my NiMH charger? Show me.
So, what batteries do you use in your flashes?
And when you get that K10D as a "street rig", how do you like having three chargers lying around? One for your Canon, one for the AAs of your flashes and one for the Pentax. I'd rather pack another lens in my bag than chargers...
1000 frames a day is not much - I have no problems doing this with AAs. Not just pros need charged batteries. Being "fully charged" is not unique to proprietary batteries. Biggest advantage is that you can change one battery faster than four. But there would have been solutions for that.
There's a certain truth in that. Too many people using their Pentax dSLRs with bad chargers and/or bad batteries ruined the reputation of NiMH AAs. That won't happen with proprietary batteries and chargers. I'm sure we all gladly pay extra for that luxury. Not!
There are optical slave triggers that can deal with preflash. I'm not talking about Wein stuff, check the Metz 3083, if you haven't.
Jens
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Mike Waddington
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........ and good riddance.
I bought the *istD BECAUSE of its use of AA batteries but to be honest, in spite of using branded high quality batteries I have felt shackled by their unreliability and inability to hold a charge.
The modern Dslr sips electricity and rarely will you run out of charge. However, the self-drain characteristics of AA NiMH's have been a constant pain compared with the Nikon/Canon/Olympus/Sony/Minolta BP511 type of battery. Dunno why to be honest - but AA's are off my list in future cameras.
PS - I never did find myself in some remote village for a week where I couldn't recharge my battery and my only hope was some spare AA alkalines. Shucks.
I bought the *istD BECAUSE of its use of AA batteries but to be honest, in spite of using branded high quality batteries I have felt shackled by their unreliability and inability to hold a charge.
The modern Dslr sips electricity and rarely will you run out of charge. However, the self-drain characteristics of AA NiMH's have been a constant pain compared with the Nikon/Canon/Olympus/Sony/Minolta BP511 type of battery. Dunno why to be honest - but AA's are off my list in future cameras.
PS - I never did find myself in some remote village for a week where I couldn't recharge my battery and my only hope was some spare AA alkalines. Shucks.
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Stewart Corman
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"If on the other hand the purpose is to replace the rechargeable D-Li50s with rechargeable AA Lithium or NiMH, I'd have to ask: whats the point?"
The point is that proprietary Lithium batteries are prohibitively expensive and have a finite life of about 3 years WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE USED!
I can get 2500mAh NiMH for $1+ each, fill my pocket with them and could care less about throwing them out whenever they fail.
This is not a trivial point, but as I am planning on getting the camera, I will live with it.
Stew Corman from sunny Endicott
The point is that proprietary Lithium batteries are prohibitively expensive and have a finite life of about 3 years WHETHER OR NOT THEY ARE USED!
I can get 2500mAh NiMH for $1+ each, fill my pocket with them and could care less about throwing them out whenever they fail.
This is not a trivial point, but as I am planning on getting the camera, I will live with it.
Stew Corman from sunny Endicott
brian thomson
Well-known member
I'm assuming it will talk to any USB Host device, including portable devices such as iPod Photo.Does that mean I can't connect it directly via a USB cable to a
mobile HD storage device? That would suck on travels.
"PC Sync" means something slightly different here, nothing to do with computers: have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_synchronization , it's the small coax socket on some cameras. There will probably be a hotshoe -> PC Sync adaptor as an accessory.
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Quietly Confident
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Li-Ion batteries defrade continuously from the day they are made. It doesn't matter whether you use them/don't use them/store them properly/store them improperly, the will fail to hold a charge properly in about a year, or so.
So an annual replacement cost of a battery (or probably two batteries) should be factored into the cost of K10.
There is no certainty that third party makers will be able to continue providing cheaper alternatives either. that means, what?, £80 - £100 every year for a couple of new Pentax Li-ions?
You've doubtless heard of the Epson printer ink swindle - where Epson are hitting manufacturers of third party ink with writs and the supply of cheap ink is drying up (no pun intended)?, who is to say that a similar thing won't occur with third party battery support?
Manufacturers love proprietry cells because the profits are huge, and it's a captive market. Good for Pentax, bad for their customers.
AA Lithiums (non rechargable) worked extremely well for me both power and weight wise...
Anybody knows if external 6 AA adapter exists?
Something like this:
http://www.bixnet.com/hicamiexbapa.html
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Ben Rubinstein
Active member
Hey Jens,
Whenever I've gone into the store to try a Pentax DSLR the lag has been utterly awful. I asked about it on a forum and was told to take my own batteries. So next time I went with NiMH's of my own and tried them and they were right, the lag was there but far better. I asked again (here I think) and was told that I should use CR-V3 's for the best performance and least lag.
For me that means that to get the performance necessary from these cameras, i.e. to get what I would pay for, I would need to buy expensive batteries, 2 at a time. The rechargeable versions seem plagued with voltage problems, there are only a tiny handful that are recommended here but they charge slowly and Pentax doesn't advise using them.
So in total I have a camera system that winds down performance as the batteries die (!), needs expensive batteries for the best performance (!) and the rechargeable versions of said batteries are likely to invalidate my warranty.
You see why I prefer the idea of proprietry batteries? I've never had performance run down with my Canon 5D, never missed a shot because of increased AF and shutter lag as the batteries pass the 700 frame mark (or whatever), in other words I can depend on them. It also takes about 1 second to switch batteries out mid 'moment' should I need to which has never been the case with AA's, one of the reasons I use a flash battery pack.
You ask if I would like 3 chargers. I'll be honest, I have two rapid AA chargers and I could do with 4. I use two flashes and my battery pack carries 8 more AA's. All need to be charged after a wedding in time for the next days shooting. Do I really want to have to charge another two sets of AA's each time? I think not.
Again, this is from my personal viewpoint as a pro wedding photographer, I'm sure that others mileage will differ. But I still say that I would prefer proprietry batteries any time. They are far cheaper than a missed shot would be....
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Whenever I've gone into the store to try a Pentax DSLR the lag has been utterly awful. I asked about it on a forum and was told to take my own batteries. So next time I went with NiMH's of my own and tried them and they were right, the lag was there but far better. I asked again (here I think) and was told that I should use CR-V3 's for the best performance and least lag.
For me that means that to get the performance necessary from these cameras, i.e. to get what I would pay for, I would need to buy expensive batteries, 2 at a time. The rechargeable versions seem plagued with voltage problems, there are only a tiny handful that are recommended here but they charge slowly and Pentax doesn't advise using them.
So in total I have a camera system that winds down performance as the batteries die (!), needs expensive batteries for the best performance (!) and the rechargeable versions of said batteries are likely to invalidate my warranty.
You see why I prefer the idea of proprietry batteries? I've never had performance run down with my Canon 5D, never missed a shot because of increased AF and shutter lag as the batteries pass the 700 frame mark (or whatever), in other words I can depend on them. It also takes about 1 second to switch batteries out mid 'moment' should I need to which has never been the case with AA's, one of the reasons I use a flash battery pack.
You ask if I would like 3 chargers. I'll be honest, I have two rapid AA chargers and I could do with 4. I use two flashes and my battery pack carries 8 more AA's. All need to be charged after a wedding in time for the next days shooting. Do I really want to have to charge another two sets of AA's each time? I think not.
Again, this is from my personal viewpoint as a pro wedding photographer, I'm sure that others mileage will differ. But I still say that I would prefer proprietry batteries any time. They are far cheaper than a missed shot would be....
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Ben Rubinstein
Active member
As for the Metz digi adaptor, I'm trying to fire 500 watt strobes here not weeny hotshoe flashes. The slave only works with Metz units anyway.
Wireless flash systems use multiple preflashes right? These digital optical slaves are speced for 2 flashes, one preflash one real. Wein make a super digi slave that can be set for 3 preflashes, again not enough. Pro's have told me that these digital optical slaves are unreliable and inconsistent in the field as I've mentioned.
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Buy the best first time round, it's far cheaper and better for your sanity in the long run....
Wireless flash systems use multiple preflashes right? These digital optical slaves are speced for 2 flashes, one preflash one real. Wein make a super digi slave that can be set for 3 preflashes, again not enough. Pro's have told me that these digital optical slaves are unreliable and inconsistent in the field as I've mentioned.
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jpmar
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Get a cheap power inverter and then you can use the Pentax battery charger in your truck.
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- Same here, the use of AA batteries is definately a money saver in the long run, but they run out of juice really fast in long exposures. I've found myself changing batteries 2 or 3 times during my night time shooting sessions in my *ist DS.
- I've been buing a new camera almost every year for a while now, but the K10 looks like it'll be the last camera I'll have to buy this decade
. This one seems to be a fantastic little thing!
I have to admit I do not know how your studio strobes are designed, but I know that the power of the flash is not directly relevant for it's trigger (look up transistor flash to see what I mean) and I know that "Watt" is not a suitable unit to measure flash strength. "Watt seconds" would be more appropriate.
That's right.
Well, the TTL ones, yes. As I understand, you couple remote TTL flashes with remote x-sync flashes. This is indeed a tricky combination
I don't use them often, so take this with a cup of salt, but within their design limits I found them to work very well.
Jens
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Hi Ben!
However, it is basically a design issue, not inherent to NiMH or AA.
Jens
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'Well, 'Zooming with your feet' is usually a stupid thing as zoom rings are designed for hands.' (Me, 2006)
http://www.jensroesner.de/
I found no discernible difference between my AAs and my CRV3s. But AF performance isn't my main interest, so I may be wrong.
However, it is basically a design issue, not inherent to NiMH or AA.
Not really, but just as I won't change your mind, you won't change mine. If I were in your situation, namely shooting in a controllable environment and having the amount of gear you have, a charger or two more or less won't kill ya. When I'm travelling, I'm happy to carry only my small AA charger and fill the bag with another lens.
You know, I am not really pro-AA, I am pro interchangeability. If every camera and flash would use the same type of LiIon, I'd be 100% pro LiIon. Wouldn't it be nice if you could use the same LiIon battery in your flashes as in your camera?
Jens
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