Can the E-100 really cut the mustard?

Holland,

How are you testing the manual WB measurement? I've had very good
results measuring off the white side of a Kodak card.

Exactly what disappointments are you experiencing?
Andy,

I'm glad I said "preliminary" in my prior post. I was judging by the look in the EVF. Setting manual WB, and opening the images in PhotoShop and measuring the RGB values of white objects shows manual WB setting to be very good and better than AutoWB. I'm much happier about that now.

Another minor disappointment is the RS eye-cup. The Eye cup I added to my UZI is very flexible, thin black rubber. Molds very easily to the surface of my glasses and squishes down so that my eye gets as close as possible to the EVF. The RS eye cup is nowhere near as nice for glasses users. I may take it off and put one on like the one I added to my UZI.

Holland
 
As far as the lens being compared to the E-100, I have no clue
about that! But if the Camera cannot focus it does not matter how
good the lens is! It has also
Mine focuses fine.
been noted and I will find it if its
necessary that there are problems with the lense quality in the D7.
The D7 has a very nice lens, less chromatic abberation, wider angle, and high zoom range. I'll stack it up against any lens on a Sony camera.
I do know the camera is basically plastic and only has a dummy hot
shoe!
Wrong, Wrong.

The write times have been known also for not allowing you to
do anything else while it was writing. I think I read a post
Wrong. It is slower for RAW files. Does your camera have RAW files?

where
someone attempted using it in a studio. If necessary I will find
that post also for you. They claimed the D7 was too slow and they
had experienced other problems with it as well.
Oh, well, if you READ a POST, that must be true. That is so much better than actually using the camera. Are you sure that you know enough about the camera to be bashing it like this?

Bryan
 
Holland,

How are you testing the manual WB measurement? I've had very good
results measuring off the white side of a Kodak card.

Exactly what disappointments are you experiencing?
Andy,

I'm glad I said "preliminary" in my prior post. I was judging by
the look in the EVF. Setting manual WB, and opening the images in
PhotoShop and measuring the RGB values of white objects shows
manual WB setting to be very good and better than AutoWB. I'm much
happier about that now.

Another minor disappointment is the RS eye-cup. The Eye cup I added
to my UZI is very flexible, thin black rubber. Molds very easily to
the surface of my glasses and squishes down so that my eye gets as
close as possible to the EVF. The RS eye cup is nowhere near as
nice for glasses users. I may take it off and put one on like the
one I added to my UZI.

Holland
Where did you purchase your eyecup for the UZI, and how much was it?
Is it a brand that might be handled by local shops? (Ritz, Wolf . . .)

Thanks,

BigAl
 
Hello Bryan! Its been a long time since I have seen you post! I did not start this debate and it has nothing to do with the E-100 and I have stated that several times here. Why and how the comparison is in this thread is beyond me!
As far as the lens being compared to the E-100, I have no clue
about that! But if the Camera cannot focus it does not matter how
good the lens is! It has also
Yours may focus fine Bryan but that does not mean that others have not had issue with it! Bryan I will find the post I am talking about supply it for you. Again the E-100 is not in the same class as the D7 so I do not even know why there is any attempt at comparison.
Mine focuses fine.
been noted and I will find it if its
necessary that there are problems with the lense quality in the D7.
The D7 has a very nice lens, less chromatic abberation, wider
angle, and high zoom range. I'll stack it up against any lens on a
Sony camera.
I don't understand how we got off on D7 versus Sony here when we are in an Oly Forum.
I do know the camera is basically plastic and only has a dummy hot
shoe!
Wrong, Wrong.
Ok you are right here and I was wrong but only in part. As far as I know there is a plastic and metal body. The part I am wrong about is the dummy hot shoes because we are talking about 3 different camera's here and possibly four, I got confused and the dummy hot shoe is on the Sony not the D7.

The write times have been known also for not allowing you to
do anything else while it was writing. I think I read a post
Wrong. It is slower for RAW files. Does your camera have RAW files?
Well lets see Brain are we comparing it to the E-20? If so yes the E-20 has Raw.

If we are talking about the E-100 then No it does not do Raw files but its also not a 5 MP camera either so why are you comparing it to one?
where
someone attempted using it in a studio. If necessary I will find
that post also for you. They claimed the D7 was too slow and they
had experienced other problems with it as well.
Oh, well, if you READ a POST, that must be true. That is so much
better than actually using the camera. Are you sure that you know
enough about the camera to be bashing it like this?
Gee Brian I did not start the bashing and neither did you but you sure seemed to jump in here and thats ok with me. Just because I read it in a post does not mean its untrue either. Have you ever used the E-100, the E-10, or the E-20 Brian? Did you have it for more than a Day so you can compare it the Nikons. I have a lot of respect for you Brian but you post a lot of stuff on your site don't you. If I read in on your site is it more true or less true than an end user who has posted about his or her D7? No I do not own the D7 but that does not mean I did not handle it or inform myself about it. Does that make me an expert? Nope! Does the fact that you own one make you more familar with it? Yep! Does it mean any of what I said here is wrong? I was man enough to correct my mistake as you and anyone else can see here. The real question here is why you, as intelligent as you are, would be in the OLY forum comparing Apples to Oranges. If you want compare then go compare it to the camera's that are using a 5MP CCD and see how many are buy the D7 compared to the E-20 or Sony!

Just pointing out the obvious Bryan,

Jason
--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
One more thing Bryan! Does your D7 eat batteries? Does it heat up with constant use? My E-20 doesn't, My E-10 doesn't !
Don't tell me or others that there are not issues with the D7!

I will be the first to tell you there are issues with an E-10 and the E-20! Every digital camera has issues and you know it as I do!

This was a thread in regard to the E-100 and neither the sony 707 or you D7 is anything to compare it to and you know better.

Jason
As far as the lens being compared to the E-100, I have no clue
about that! But if the Camera cannot focus it does not matter how
good the lens is! It has also
Yours may focus fine Bryan but that does not mean that others have
not had issue with it! Bryan I will find the post I am talking
about supply it for you. Again the E-100 is not in the same class
as the D7 so I do not even know why there is any attempt at
comparison.
Mine focuses fine.
been noted and I will find it if its
necessary that there are problems with the lense quality in the D7.
The D7 has a very nice lens, less chromatic abberation, wider
angle, and high zoom range. I'll stack it up against any lens on a
Sony camera.
I don't understand how we got off on D7 versus Sony here when we
are in an Oly Forum.
I do know the camera is basically plastic and only has a dummy hot
shoe!
Wrong, Wrong.
Ok you are right here and I was wrong but only in part. As far as
I know there is a plastic and metal body. The part I am wrong
about is the dummy hot shoes because we are talking about 3
different camera's here and possibly four, I got confused and the
dummy hot shoe is on the Sony not the D7.

The write times have been known also for not allowing you to
do anything else while it was writing. I think I read a post
Wrong. It is slower for RAW files. Does your camera have RAW files?
Well lets see Brain are we comparing it to the E-20? If so yes the
E-20 has Raw.
If we are talking about the E-100 then No it does not do Raw files
but its also not a 5 MP camera either so why are you comparing it
to one?
where
someone attempted using it in a studio. If necessary I will find
that post also for you. They claimed the D7 was too slow and they
had experienced other problems with it as well.
Oh, well, if you READ a POST, that must be true. That is so much
better than actually using the camera. Are you sure that you know
enough about the camera to be bashing it like this?
Gee Brian I did not start the bashing and neither did you but you
sure seemed to jump in here and thats ok with me. Just because I
read it in a post does not mean its untrue either. Have you ever
used the E-100, the E-10, or the E-20 Brian? Did you have it for
more than a Day so you can compare it the Nikons. I have a lot of
respect for you Brian but you post a lot of stuff on your site
don't you. If I read in on your site is it more true or less true
than an end user who has posted about his or her D7? No I do not
own the D7 but that does not mean I did not handle it or inform
myself about it. Does that make me an expert? Nope! Does the
fact that you own one make you more familar with it? Yep! Does it
mean any of what I said here is wrong? I was man enough to correct
my mistake as you and anyone else can see here. The real question
here is why you, as intelligent as you are, would be in the OLY
forum comparing Apples to Oranges. If you want compare then go
compare it to the camera's that are using a 5MP CCD and see how
many are buy the D7 compared to the E-20 or Sony!

Just pointing out the obvious Bryan,

Jason
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
Catching that special moment with a great camera
--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
Well, this part probably was a misunderstanding. Of course it works
different, this was the reason why i bought it.
Thats interesting I thought these is what you posted:

"I owned the C2100 too. The only mechanical difference to the C2100 which i see (beside the color), is the eyepiece and the rubber which covers the lens element."

Now you are contradicting yourself! Maybe that is a misunderstanding too!

The reason for me to buy it was the 15fps and precapture
As far as the lens being compared to the E-100, I have no clue
about that! But if the Camera cannot focus it does not matter how
good the lens is!
This statement is too general. We all read Phil's review or some
more moderate, serious user experiences, of course it can focus...
You miss the point that I was making here! If a camera cannot focus in the situation you need it to focus then it does not matter how high a quality the lens is! The whole point of having manual control overrides is so you can get focus in those situations. Even though you can use the Minolta, E-100, and Sony as point and shoot they are not really meant to be point and shoot are they! The statement is not a generalization and all!

Again we are talking Apples and Oranges here! Both the Sony and the D7 are 5MP cameras. I cannot figure out for the life of me why we are discussing them here in an OLY forum on a thread about the E-100 and the attempt to even compare them!

If you want to compare the D7 and Sony 707 to something then compare it to the E-20 but not in an E-100 thread and not to a 1.5 MP camera! Why they were even mentioned here in the first place is beyond me!
It has also been noted and I will find it if its
necessary that there are problems with the lense quality in the D7.
I am looking for the post now and I will supply it or come back, say I was wrong and eat crow! at least I am man enough to do that!
I really would like to see a reference here!
I will find the reference here for you and post it! If I cannot I am man enough to come back and admit I was wrong and eat Crow!
I do know the camera is basically plastic and only has a dummy hot
shoe!
I agree this statement posted by me was in Error and not misunderstanding. We are talking about three possibly four different Cameras here and I was tired when I posted and I did get confused, so I will correct it now.

The D7 is metal and plastic! The D7 has a normal hot shoe the Sony has a dummy hot shoe. The Sony 707 is Magnesium Alloy and Andreas is correct!
So far i know the major part of the body is made out of a magnesium
alloy, but perhaps this was only in my dreams :)
The write times have been known also for not allowing you to
do anything else while it was writing.
This statement is in reference to the D7! It appears you understood that!
Well, i think the D7 is not a point and shoot camera neither an action
camera. Beside of this i think that there are not a lot users who
are concerned about this.
I would not be as bold is to say how many users are concerned about this!
I think I read a post where
someone attempted using it in a studio.
If you are refering to professional studio work, it must be a
strange professional who is using a 1000 USD cam in a 10000 USD
studio environment. But so far i know you can attach external
flashes.
Gee there are people who are using E-10 and E-20's for studio work that are pro's! What is the price the factor here! If a camera can get it done to the satisfaction of that photographer, Pro or not, then what does it matter whether it cost him $2 or $20,000?
See the Sony users forum and what the actual owners have said!
Focus in certain lighting conditions has been a problem.
Please give me an exact thread reference here. I am reading a lot
in the
STF but maybe i missed this thread. So far the Holo AF works very
reliable (at least in my camera).
If I can find the reference that I have mentioned I will post it!
Agreed, both the OLY E-10 and E-20 have noise but so do other
digital Camera's. The Sony as well as the D7, and E-20 all share
the same CCD. What is different is the interpolation software
applied in the camera.
Now we get to something very subjective here. To really tell about
how much noise there is will be dependant upon the final print not
your Monitor.
Its a given that no Two monitors even when calibrated will be
exactly the same. So those who judge quality by web pictures alone
are not getting accurate results. There are other variances as
well, like graphic cards used and Montior construction. If you
want a fair comparison then you have to take exactly the same
picture with the different Camera's, with the same settings, and
print them both on the same printer with no software processing
applied. The proof will be in the pudding or the print in this
case.
Well, strangewise the photos of a really highend camera also look
good on a
monitor (always). So i am doubting here a bit...
Doubt all you want! You cannot dispute this! Monitors even of the same brand and componets will vary! Even when they are Calibrated they will vary! Printing a photo is you best answer to how much noise or other artifacts you will see in any picture.
Please explain your foundation for this statement and your
procedure used for comparing the images.
No further work is needed here. Just take a look into Phil's
galleries!
That does not answer my question does it?

--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
Please forgive me for having to cut some of the text out! I could not post all of it in the previous post because it was too long!

Jason--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
Holland if I have a gripe it woud be about the eyecup and the viewfinder.

Jason
Holland,

How are you testing the manual WB measurement? I've had very good
results measuring off the white side of a Kodak card.

Exactly what disappointments are you experiencing?
Andy,

I'm glad I said "preliminary" in my prior post. I was judging by
the look in the EVF. Setting manual WB, and opening the images in
PhotoShop and measuring the RGB values of white objects shows
manual WB setting to be very good and better than AutoWB. I'm much
happier about that now.

Another minor disappointment is the RS eye-cup. The Eye cup I added
to my UZI is very flexible, thin black rubber. Molds very easily to
the surface of my glasses and squishes down so that my eye gets as
close as possible to the EVF. The RS eye cup is nowhere near as
nice for glasses users. I may take it off and put one on like the
one I added to my UZI.

Holland
--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
The only problem not really a problem is at wide angles shots....my 995 gave much more detail....but at zoom the E-100 shines.

Rick.
I am going to find out for myself, maybe even as soon as next week
when I expect it to arrive. So for me it's been a day of exploring
this camera in depth without ever having held one. Of course I have
my UZI experience and all you over emotional speed freaks
continually boasting how good this camera is.
No offense but, I really have a need to find out for myself if this
unit can actually produce a good 8X10 for me or is everyone on this
forum just caught up in the emotional comraderie of common
ownership of a specific camera model .(all forums have them)
Regardless, The proof will certainly be in the pudding.
Seriously, My big concern is image quality at 8X10. I am not
about to consider smaller prints so this is important to me. I
don't really expect them to be as good as the ones I presently get
from the C2100 but if they are close enough (even if I have to
resize) it could very well work for me. The E-100 has a lot of nice
features that I'm looking forward to use and enjoy.
I liked the 2 images Roland Stauber posted early today. I think
they might print well at 8X10 because he took them very tight. But
with a limitation of just 1.4 MP's there is absolutely no room to
crop or waste them on extra territory within the frame. You need to
fill the frame with the subject matter. I have a feeling that
decent enlargements with this camera will be limited to these very
tightly framed shots. I downloaded a few more images from the E-100
today and had quite a difficult time getting acceptable
enlargements. It appears to me that images taken with this camera
must also be taken at SHQ or better to get the necessary file sizes
to resample up. The very small HQ file sizes don't look like they
create enough pixel information to get acceptable prints. That
means more memory in addition to the more memory already needed
when using pre-capture. Good thing they included a CF slot.
My only other concern is the rumored(?) increase of the shutter lag
compared to the UZI. Especially when used with pre-capture off. I
should be able to immediately tell if there is any substantial
difference .
As late of yesterday I wasn't considering this, but at $100.00
less than what I paid for my UZI, I found it too hard to resist. I
had been considering a backup for my UZI because of of SDS but they
are more money than the E-100. JD
 
Here is the first thread that you might have missed in the Sony forum: See the bottom of this post. As soon as I find the D7 one I was refering to I will post it as well!

Jason
It has also been noted and I will find it if its
necessary that there are problems with the lense quality in the D7.
I really would like to see a reference here!
See the Sony users forum and what the actual owners have said!
Focus in certain lighting conditions has been a problem.
Please give me an exact thread reference here. I am reading a lot
in the
STF but maybe i missed this thread. So far the Holo AF works very
reliable (at least in my camera).
You might want to read this thread...

http://www.dpreview.com/ ... ....asp?forum=1009&page=1&message=1776724

Evidently the 707 has got some issues with the flash that are causing some people to return the camera.

Troy
Please help me to pick between a Sony or a Olympus E-20N...
Money no problem...

Robert
--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
Here is one for you Bryan! Explain this because there is more coming! It will take some time but I am sure I will find the thread I mentioned!
Cheers
Jason

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&page=1&message=1771556
As far as the lens being compared to the E-100, I have no clue
about that! But if the Camera cannot focus it does not matter how
good the lens is! It has also
Mine focuses fine.
been noted and I will find it if its
necessary that there are problems with the lense quality in the D7.
The D7 has a very nice lens, less chromatic abberation, wider
angle, and high zoom range. I'll stack it up against any lens on a
Sony camera.
I do know the camera is basically plastic and only has a dummy hot
shoe!
Wrong, Wrong.

The write times have been known also for not allowing you to
do anything else while it was writing. I think I read a post
Wrong. It is slower for RAW files. Does your camera have RAW files?

where
someone attempted using it in a studio. If necessary I will find
that post also for you. They claimed the D7 was too slow and they
had experienced other problems with it as well.
Oh, well, if you READ a POST, that must be true. That is so much
better than actually using the camera. Are you sure that you know
enough about the camera to be bashing it like this?

Bryan
--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
Jason,
Now you are contradicting yourself! Maybe that is a
misunderstanding too!
As i already said a misunderstanding. If you feel better: My misunderstanding
Again we are talking Apples and Oranges here! Both the Sony and the
D7 are 5MP cameras. I cannot figure out for the life of me why we
are discussing them here in an OLY forum on a thread about the
E-100 and the attempt to even compare them!
If you want to compare the D7 and Sony 707 to something then
compare it to the E-20 but not in an E-100 thread and not to a 1.5
MP camera! Why they were even mentioned here in the first place
is beyond me!
If you wouldn't try to push this "discussion" into a kind of flame you were
aware that "Maxven" asked me some postings before about

my experiences with the D7 and F707. This was the first time when those two cams were mentioned and the E10/20 too.
It has also been noted and I will find it if its
necessary that there are problems with the lense quality in the D7.
I am looking for the post now and I will supply it or come back,
say I was wrong and eat crow! at least I am man enough to do that!
Okay, waiting for this...
Gee there are people who are using E-10 and E-20's for studio work
that are pro's!
Well, probably we have different definations of a pro. I think further discussions doesn't makes sense here.
Doubt all you want! You cannot dispute this! Monitors even of the
same brand and componets will vary! Even when they are Calibrated
they will vary! Printing a photo is you best answer to how much
noise or other artifacts you will see in any picture.
Please explain your foundation for this statement and your
procedure used for comparing the images.
No further work is needed here. Just take a look into Phil's
galleries!
That does not answer my question does it?
As i said keep it simple. Once again: the output of a really highend
camera looks good on a monitor too, is this casual?

Regards,

Andreas
 
Now it becomes bizarre:

This was your initial statement:
See the Sony users forum and what the actual owners have said!
Focus in certain lighting conditions has been a problem.
You gave a reference to:
http://www.dpreview.com/ ... ....asp?> forum=1009&page=1&message=1776724
There is no focus problem mentioned there. It is about a WB problem during flash operation.

Sorry, i am now out of this senseless discussion.

Regards,

Andreas
 
Now you are contradicting yourself! Maybe that is a
misunderstanding too!
As i already said a misunderstanding. If you feel better: My
misunderstanding
Glad we got that part straight!
Again we are talking Apples and Oranges here! Both the Sony and the
D7 are 5MP cameras. I cannot figure out for the life of me why we
are discussing them here in an OLY forum on a thread about the
E-100 and the attempt to even compare them!
If you want to compare the D7 and Sony 707 to something then
compare it to the E-20 but not in an E-100 thread and not to a 1.5
MP camera! Why they were even mentioned here in the first place
is beyond me!
If you wouldn't try to push this "discussion" into a kind of flame
you were
aware that "Maxven" asked me some postings before about
my experiences with the D7 and F707. This was the first time when
those two cams were mentioned and the E10/20 too.
I am not pushing anything into flame, I am only responding to what you posted. If Maven had asked you to post about those experiences then why didn't you start a separate post and state that!
It has also been noted and I will find it if its
necessary that there are problems with the lense quality in the D7.
I am looking for the post now and I will supply it or come back,
say I was wrong and eat crow! at least I am man enough to do that!
Okay, waiting for this...
You might check my other post to Bryan Biggers in this thread! There is no point of me doing double work, just to satisfy you guys that there is truth in what I have stated. I already posted one there for him. There are problems related to focus speed and color! As soon as I find the lens one I will post it there but this I will not make this my life's work, I have already spent too much time doing your homework for you!
Gee there are people who are using E-10 and E-20's for studio work
that are pro's!
Well, probably we have different definations of a pro. I think
further discussions doesn't makes sense here.
No disrespect meant here but you said you could not understand Pro's using these Camera's for Studio work! Don't cop out with that answer just because all of a sudden you are finding out there might be a few or more Pro's out there that use the E-10/20 in the studio. There is a reason that the ablity to attach studio lights to the E-10/20 or the ablity to sync them with the FL-40 Flash! How many amatur's do you know that do that? Go look at http://www.belgium.com and learn! You are probably correct, that we have different definitions of Pro's. Mine has to do with knowing your equipment will do the job, taking advantage of the extras to get the effects you desire, and satisfying the client! It has nothing to do with taking one shot on autofocus! It has to do with getting the shot you need more successfully every time and knowing your Art! Keep in mind anyone can buy tools and call themselves a Mechanic. They might even have the ablity to work on a car with them, but how many out there have inherient talent and are considered not only good but Expert at what they do?
Doubt all you want! You cannot dispute this! Monitors even of the
same brand and componets will vary! Even when they are Calibrated
they will vary! Printing a photo is you best answer to how much
noise or other artifacts you will see in any picture.
Please explain your foundation for this statement and your
procedure used for comparing the images.
No further work is needed here. Just take a look into Phil's
galleries!
That does not answer my question does it?
As i said keep it simple. Once again: the output of a really highend
camera looks good on a monitor too, is this casual?

Oh I am keeping it simple, its as simple that knowing a point and shoot 35mm camera can take a good picture too! That statement has nothing to do with Digital does it, and neither does the statement you have made above. Do not mistake my passion for factual information as flaming because I assure you its not. Other people learn from these discussions and are finding out things like calibrating a monitor and the final print matter. It might be something they never thought of or considered because they might be new and just starting out! This is even being discussed in the Oly SLR forum! Sidestepping the issue certainly does not add anything to the discussion.
Best Regards

Jason

--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
Please disregard the previous website info its wrong! The correct one should be http://www.belgiumdigital.com I am not claiming these guys are Pro's but there work speaks for itself!

Thanks
Jason
Now you are contradicting yourself! Maybe that is a
misunderstanding too!
As i already said a misunderstanding. If you feel better: My
misunderstanding
Glad we got that part straight!
Again we are talking Apples and Oranges here! Both the Sony and the
D7 are 5MP cameras. I cannot figure out for the life of me why we
are discussing them here in an OLY forum on a thread about the
E-100 and the attempt to even compare them!
If you want to compare the D7 and Sony 707 to something then
compare it to the E-20 but not in an E-100 thread and not to a 1.5
MP camera! Why they were even mentioned here in the first place
is beyond me!
If you wouldn't try to push this "discussion" into a kind of flame
you were
aware that "Maxven" asked me some postings before about
my experiences with the D7 and F707. This was the first time when
those two cams were mentioned and the E10/20 too.
I am not pushing anything into flame, I am only responding to what
you posted. If Maven had asked you to post about those experiences
then why didn't you start a separate post and state that!
It has also been noted and I will find it if its
necessary that there are problems with the lense quality in the D7.
I am looking for the post now and I will supply it or come back,
say I was wrong and eat crow! at least I am man enough to do that!
Okay, waiting for this...
You might check my other post to Bryan Biggers in this thread!
There is no point of me doing double work, just to satisfy you guys
that there is truth in what I have stated. I already posted one
there for him. There are problems related to focus speed and
color! As soon as I find the lens one I will post it there but
this I will not make this my life's work, I have already spent too
much time doing your homework for you!
Gee there are people who are using E-10 and E-20's for studio work
that are pro's!
Well, probably we have different definations of a pro. I think
further discussions doesn't makes sense here.
No disrespect meant here but you said you could not understand
Pro's using these Camera's for Studio work! Don't cop out with
that answer just because all of a sudden you are finding out there
might be a few or more Pro's out there that use the E-10/20 in the
studio. There is a reason that the ablity to attach studio lights
to the E-10/20 or the ablity to sync them with the FL-40 Flash!
How many amatur's do you know that do that? Go look at
http://www.belgium.com and learn! You are probably correct, that we have
different definitions of Pro's. Mine has to do with knowing your
equipment will do the job, taking advantage of the extras to get
the effects you desire, and satisfying the client! It has nothing
to do with taking one shot on autofocus! It has to do with getting
the shot you need more successfully every time and knowing your
Art! Keep in mind anyone can buy tools and call themselves a
Mechanic. They might even have the ablity to work on a car with
them, but how many out there have inherient talent and are
considered not only good but Expert at what they do?
Doubt all you want! You cannot dispute this! Monitors even of the
same brand and componets will vary! Even when they are Calibrated
they will vary! Printing a photo is you best answer to how much
noise or other artifacts you will see in any picture.
Please explain your foundation for this statement and your
procedure used for comparing the images.
No further work is needed here. Just take a look into Phil's
galleries!
That does not answer my question does it?
As i said keep it simple. Once again: the output of a really highend
camera looks good on a monitor too, is this casual?

Oh I am keeping it simple, its as simple that knowing a point and shoot 35mm camera can take a good picture too! That statement has nothing to do with Digital does it, and neither does the statement you have made above. Do not mistake my passion for factual information as flaming because I assure you its not. Other people learn from these discussions and are finding out things like calibrating a monitor and the final print matter. It might be something they never thought of or considered because they might be new and just starting out! This is even being discussed in the Oly SLR forum! Sidestepping the issue certainly does not add anything to the discussion.
Best Regards

Jason

--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
Catching that special moment with a great camera
--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
Oh this is too funny! If you had bothered to read the whole thread there are other posts in there also besides the white balance problems. Even after the Sony 707 has been sent back for repairs there are other issues mentioned as well. If you had read through there is also a mention of difficulty getting correct focus in group pictures. I could look and find others but why should I do your homework for you? The only things bizarre here is why you did not post about your Sony is a separate thread, why you would avoid admitting that there are issues with your beloved Sony 707! It might be a good thing for you to bow out. You are right this is senseless! I should not be responsible for doing your reading or homework for you!
This was your initial statement:
See the Sony users forum and what the actual owners have said!
Focus in certain lighting conditions has been a problem.
You gave a reference to:
http://www.dpreview.com/ ... ....asp?> forum=1009&page=1&message=1776724
There is no focus problem mentioned there. It is about a WB problem
during flash operation.

Sorry, i am now out of this senseless discussion.

Regards,

Andreas
Kindest regards,

Jason--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
Hi Jason.

If you look back to where this discussion began it was all because I recognized Andreas P's name from the Minolta forum way back before the D7 hit the market. I was curious about his experiences with the D7 and Sony F707, so I asked him. He replied to my questions so please don't blame him for getting this thread off track. I was the one bringing these cameras up in the first place and I never expected it to burst into a flame war.
--Regards, Maxven (E-100rs, B-300, C-210)
 
Maxven, its no big deal and its not a flame. There is always some good that comes from any discussion, even a heated one!

By the way Maxven I got my E-20 and Tcon 300 yesterday!
Hi Jason.

If you look back to where this discussion began it was all because
I recognized Andreas P's name from the Minolta forum way back
before the D7 hit the market. I was curious about his experiences
with the D7 and Sony F707, so I asked him. He replied to my
questions so please don't blame him for getting this thread off
track. I was the one bringing these cameras up in the first place
and I never expected it to burst into a flame war.

--
Regards, Maxven (E-100rs, B-300, C-210)
--Jason Stoller [email protected] that special moment with a great camera
 
Congratulations Jason! How on earth do you find time to post in the forum when you got those on your hands? The Tcon 300 looks like a beast. Can you even carry with the neckstrap when attached to the camera?

BTW, I think maybe the discussion got a little overheated. No offence, but I think you came down pretty hard on Andreas. I hold both of you in high regards for your insights but you should give some credit to Andreas. He's no rookie and I know he's missed at the Minolta forum. I hope he'll become a regular in the Oly forum. He's a wealth of information.

Maxven
By the way Maxven I got my E-20 and Tcon 300 yesterday!
Hi Jason.

If you look back to where this discussion began it was all because
I recognized Andreas P's name from the Minolta forum way back
before the D7 hit the market. I was curious about his experiences
with the D7 and Sony F707, so I asked him. He replied to my
questions so please don't blame him for getting this thread off
track. I was the one bringing these cameras up in the first place
and I never expected it to burst into a flame war.

--
Regards, Maxven (E-100rs, B-300, C-210)
--
Jason Stoller [email protected]
Catching that special moment with a great camera
--Regards, Maxven (E-100rs, B-300, C-210)
 

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