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Hi Jens.

Just came back from the post office with my Manfrotto 390RC head. It can't beat the fluid video heads in smoothness, but for my needs it's just perfect. I love the portrait flip, which none of the video heads have. I had to try it just shooting out the window with the C-210 attached. I could hear plenty of birds mocking me because I couldn't see them. I'll probably go to the park and try shooting some ducks if the weather clears up.

My dad's out hunting today. I hope he make's it despite his Parkinsonism. He really loves hunting and although he's too weak and unbalanced to shoot, just being outside with "the guys" makes him happy. My mum's having my sister's kids over for pumpkin cutting. Maybe I'll stop by to take some pictures.

I didn't know you had an October festival in Sweden. I thought it was only a German thing. Good luck with the Jazz. I wish there were some around here, but that's the tradeoff when you move to a smaller town.

Regards, Maxven

P.S.: Any tips for duck shooting?
Jens ( Sweden ) said:
Well, I woke up this morning, looked out the window, got depressed
and now I'm sitting here :-) Yep, this forum is addictive so I'm
forcing myself out this afternoon :-) Going for some Jazz and later
on, it's October festival so I should be yodelling tonight :-)

Cheers
Jens
Maxven said:
Jens and Michel would you join me in starting a DPA (DPreview
Anonymous) club? I see you're both posting late and early, just
like me. I'm an addict and I admit it. How does one get cured?

Regards, Maxven ;-)
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Hi Maxven,

I'm glad to hear your father do enjoy himself even though he's ill !

For a light camera like the E-100 or even a 2 kg SLR, the 390 head is great to work with. The fluid heads are actually more of use when you use heavy equipment and is very oversized for those small digi cams.

When shooting Ducks or any other bird / animal, my experience is to get as close to it as possible. I wouldn't use a the tele converter since it limits your composure of the picture. The great benefit of being close is that you can use the flash, which adds a nice light and brings out the coulors better. Especially on dark days as today...

Good luck !

Jens
Maxven said:
Hi Jens.

Just came back from the post office with my Manfrotto 390RC head.
It can't beat the fluid video heads in smoothness, but for my needs
it's just perfect. I love the portrait flip, which none of the
video heads have. I had to try it just shooting out the window with
the C-210 attached. I could hear plenty of birds mocking me because
I couldn't see them. I'll probably go to the park and try shooting
some ducks if the weather clears up.
My dad's out hunting today. I hope he make's it despite his
Parkinsonism. He really loves hunting and although he's too weak
and unbalanced to shoot, just being outside with "the guys" makes
him happy. My mum's having my sister's kids over for pumpkin
cutting. Maybe I'll stop by to take some pictures.
I didn't know you had an October festival in Sweden. I thought it
was only a German thing. Good luck with the Jazz. I wish there were
some around here, but that's the tradeoff when you move to a
smaller town.

Regards, Maxven

P.S.: Any tips for duck shooting?

Jens ( Sweden ) wrote:
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Max,

Ohh.. I forgot.. the October festival is not a Swedish thing. It's German as you say. They have a very nice German restaurant in the city and that's where the festival will be tonight....

Yooodeliaoli !!! :-)

Cheers
Jens
 
Carmen,

Please send me your address . I would like to send you a 8X10 print from the E-100 and an 8X10 print from the C2100 and one from the C3000Z. All will be from on-line samples.

I will point out what pixellation and lack of detail is for you when a E100 image is enlarged to 8X10 size. It will be much easier to recognize when comparing all 3 at once.

It appears that you are so infatuated with the camera that mentally you refuse to accept any difference in resolution or you do not know what to look for when comparing image quality. As I said before , the E-100 is a super camera but it has its limitations. You should learn what they are and you could enjoy it more. JD
Carmen said:
Carmen
Jimmy said:
Why on earth trade in for an E-100. Yes, it's got the E-label...

You can put your 2100 on constant (~ anticipating?) autofocus but
it demands battery power.

Yes, you can get 8*10 out of an e-100, by interpolation.

As long as you don't need 15 fps, your kind'a trading down...

Especially at higher sensitivities you'll be better of with the
2100 as you'll get less noisy images, whether your printing or
resizing to screen size.

Next time you buy a camera you might want to look out better what
suits your needs so you won't have to swap, no offence ;-)))
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Good Morning JD,

Back to your same old routine I see. It seems your the one who has something to prove here. My reasoning behind this is plain and simple I can't stand for people to say things that aren't true. It erks me! And I beg your pardon but I am not infatuated with any thing. I just know that you really don't know (in this case) what you are talking about. I don't need you to send me any samples I have my own. I have had more cameras than I could count on two hands. I have no illusions about what a camera can and cannot do. As I said before there has to be something wrong with your moniter. or what kind of printer are you using? Have you explored these posibilities? I am not the only one who knows what the 100 can do. Maybe you should go back and read the link that you once so actively participated and see what others have to say about your opinion I am not alone!
Have a nice day!

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1008&page=1&message=1677361

Carmen
JD said:
Carmen said:
Carmen
Jimmy said:
Why on earth trade in for an E-100. Yes, it's got the E-label...

You can put your 2100 on constant (~ anticipating?) autofocus but
it demands battery power.

Yes, you can get 8*10 out of an e-100, by interpolation.

As long as you don't need 15 fps, your kind'a trading down...

Especially at higher sensitivities you'll be better of with the
2100 as you'll get less noisy images, whether your printing or
resizing to screen size.

Next time you buy a camera you might want to look out better what
suits your needs so you won't have to swap, no offence ;-)))
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Hi Carmen,

Sorry to have angered you so. My intention was to help you learn differences in image quality in relation to resolution with prints in hand. Obviously you refuse to be helped.Your loss. JD
Carmen said:
Back to your same old routine I see. It seems your the one who has
something to prove here. My reasoning behind this is plain and
simple I can't stand for people to say things that aren't true. It
erks me! And I beg your pardon but I am not infatuated with any
thing. I just know that you really don't know (in this case) what
you are talking about. I don't need you to send me any samples I
have my own. I have had more cameras than I could count on two
hands. I have no illusions about what a camera can and cannot do.
As I said before there has to be something wrong with your moniter.
or what kind of printer are you using? Have you explored these
posibilities? I am not the only one who knows what the 100 can do.
Maybe you should go back and read the link that you once so
actively participated and see what others have to say about your
opinion I am not alone!
Have a nice day!

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1008&page=1&message=1677361

Carmen
JD said:
Carmen said:
Carmen
Jimmy said:
Why on earth trade in for an E-100. Yes, it's got the E-label...

You can put your 2100 on constant (~ anticipating?) autofocus but
it demands battery power.

Yes, you can get 8*10 out of an e-100, by interpolation.

As long as you don't need 15 fps, your kind'a trading down...

Especially at higher sensitivities you'll be better of with the
2100 as you'll get less noisy images, whether your printing or
resizing to screen size.

Next time you buy a camera you might want to look out better what
suits your needs so you won't have to swap, no offence ;-)))
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JD...I am not angered (not really) ^ I just think that what you see is not neccessarily what some of the rest of us see and know. I will conceed to you that most cameras with a resolution as low as the 100 could not print anything better than a 4x6 but I use a dye sub printer and have used a professional printing service and I have seen the results with my own eyes. The 100 can and does print a quality 8x10 and the funny part is there are others here that will tell you the same thing. And contrary to what you think I am very, very judgemental and picky when it come to these cameras and the images they produce. This is why I have stayed with Olympus products. I feel that you get better natural looking pictures with most of thier cameras. But this is just my opinion nothing more. JD there is more to a digital camera than pixels...and with that enough said.

Carmen
JD said:
Carmen said:
Back to your same old routine I see. It seems your the one who has
something to prove here. My reasoning behind this is plain and
simple I can't stand for people to say things that aren't true. It
erks me! And I beg your pardon but I am not infatuated with any
thing. I just know that you really don't know (in this case) what
you are talking about. I don't need you to send me any samples I
have my own. I have had more cameras than I could count on two
hands. I have no illusions about what a camera can and cannot do.
As I said before there has to be something wrong with your moniter.
or what kind of printer are you using? Have you explored these
posibilities? I am not the only one who knows what the 100 can do.
Maybe you should go back and read the link that you once so
actively participated and see what others have to say about your
opinion I am not alone!
Have a nice day!

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1008&page=1&message=1677361

Carmen
JD said:
Carmen said:
Carmen
Jimmy said:
Why on earth trade in for an E-100. Yes, it's got the E-label...

You can put your 2100 on constant (~ anticipating?) autofocus but
it demands battery power.

Yes, you can get 8*10 out of an e-100, by interpolation.

As long as you don't need 15 fps, your kind'a trading down...

Especially at higher sensitivities you'll be better of with the
2100 as you'll get less noisy images, whether your printing or
resizing to screen size.

Next time you buy a camera you might want to look out better what
suits your needs so you won't have to swap, no offence ;-)))
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:) i am an uzi owner, but 100RS IS better than the uzi (apart from lower resolution)

I couldn't afford to add another $200 to my budget for the E100RS, I initially planned to buy a $300 Canon A20, and upgraded to Canon S110, then back to Oly C2040, and finally decided to go for uzi (I had to sacrifice a hard disk upgrade) couldn't add more to buy E100RS
For my price range, uzi gives the highest performance (to my needs)
Happy shooting!
michel said:
S ucks !
"

Michel.
Marty said:
Waqas Usman said:
dvt43 said:
michel said:
Hi, Everyone,
(Hi, Dave, your contribution is invaluable).
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Glad you found it usefull. I put it up as something I would have been
interested in seeing before buying.
michel58672 said:
I have my C2100UZ since 9 weeks and I am really happy with it.
(counter indicates 3229 because I want to test everything ;=)
I see these E100RS so cheap, and I can’t imagine I will not
buy one. 8=)
I can’t afford 2 cameras. :=(
A friend of mines would buy my Uzi for 550$ (You can’t find a
Uzi in France for less than 750$, and he does not dare buying from
abroad). I had my Uzi for 625$. I could get a E100RS for 500$
Well Everything looks Ok : He will have his Uzi, I will have the
same as with the Uzi plus this fantastic speed and anticipated
shoot.
Really ? What will I loose ? Would you do that ? Will my B300 still
work the same ? Will I still have the same fun, that is mainly
learning, and changing from a point&clicker to try and become a
photographer ? Will I still need to take it with me everywhere ?
To help you answer, I can say that : I am not pixel bound, I almost
never print, but I like sharing my pics with the familly (my 3
children have a computer and a digicam), I never print above 10x15
centimeters (sorry I don’t know the ?inches?). I am not yet
very good at PSP, but I like it and I will be.
I have followed the “E100 - c2100 comparison shots”
thread, and I understand the E100RS pics “seem” sharper
and compare better than the 2100 on my screen. I am used to the
(maybe too much) warm cast of the 2100.
Actually, I am about to swap to the E100RS, because I think I had
almost everything, and now I will have everything.
The only question is “ Will it be an error ?”
If you think so, please explain. You will be so happy to help me ;=).
Michel.
(some beginner pics at http://www.pbase.com/papy/010923aube
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It sounds like you can't loose either way.
You'll learn a lot with either one and nothing you've said here shows
you have a real serious reason for choosing one over the other.
But for the same money - let alone pocketing $50 - I'd say go for
the e100. It really offers so much more than your normal camera
features and once you get to use them you'll love them. Jay was
right in the image comparison thread that the image quality issue
is sort of secondary when considering this camera.
You will need more memory for the camera - but you've got $50
bucks for that. And you will find yourself burried in pictures - but
what a way to go...

Have Fun,

Dave
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The funny thing is that the difference between an 8X10 from an UZI and an 8X10 from a E100 is a small 14 ppi. If JD is saying that the E100 can't cut it at 8X10, is he saying the extra 14 ppi pushes the image quality/detail on prints to this great level that only 2mp cameras can capture? It's such a little difference that it barely matters. Take 1 inch that has 150 pixels, and take away just 14 pixels away from those 150. Of course if you do ANY kind of cropping on a 2mp image, you will probably be working in that same range.

B A H
Carmen Towles said:
JD...I am not angered (not really) ^ I just think that what you
see is not neccessarily what some of the rest of us see and know. I
will conceed to you that most cameras with a resolution as low as
the 100 could not print anything better than a 4x6 but I use a dye
sub printer and have used a professional printing service and I
have seen the results with my own eyes. The 100 can and does print
a quality 8x10 and the funny part is there are others here that
will tell you the same thing. And contrary to what you think I am
very, very judgemental and picky when it come to these cameras and
the images they produce. This is why I have stayed with Olympus
products. I feel that you get better natural looking pictures with
most of thier cameras. But this is just my opinion nothing more. JD
there is more to a digital camera than pixels...and with that
enough said.

Carmen
JD said:
Carmen said:
Back to your same old routine I see. It seems your the one who has
something to prove here. My reasoning behind this is plain and
simple I can't stand for people to say things that aren't true. It
erks me! And I beg your pardon but I am not infatuated with any
thing. I just know that you really don't know (in this case) what
you are talking about. I don't need you to send me any samples I
have my own. I have had more cameras than I could count on two
hands. I have no illusions about what a camera can and cannot do.
As I said before there has to be something wrong with your moniter.
or what kind of printer are you using? Have you explored these
posibilities? I am not the only one who knows what the 100 can do.
Maybe you should go back and read the link that you once so
actively participated and see what others have to say about your
opinion I am not alone!
Have a nice day!

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1008&page=1&message=1677361

Carmen
JD said:
Carmen said:
Carmen
Jimmy said:
Why on earth trade in for an E-100. Yes, it's got the E-label...

You can put your 2100 on constant (~ anticipating?) autofocus but
it demands battery power.

Yes, you can get 8*10 out of an e-100, by interpolation.

As long as you don't need 15 fps, your kind'a trading down...

Especially at higher sensitivities you'll be better of with the
2100 as you'll get less noisy images, whether your printing or
resizing to screen size.

Next time you buy a camera you might want to look out better what
suits your needs so you won't have to swap, no offence ;-)))
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He's stuck on this point....don't know why since he doesn't even own the 100. Take a look at the new thread I posted. ( Hey JD....) Please be so kind as to comment there for me.

Thanks, Carmen
B A H said:
B A H
s k u l p t said:
JD...I am not angered (not really) ^ I just think that what you
see is not neccessarily what some of the rest of us see and know. I
will conceed to you that most cameras with a resolution as low as
the 100 could not print anything better than a 4x6 but I use a dye
sub printer and have used a professional printing service and I
have seen the results with my own eyes. The 100 can and does print
a quality 8x10 and the funny part is there are others here that
will tell you the same thing. And contrary to what you think I am
very, very judgemental and picky when it come to these cameras and
the images they produce. This is why I have stayed with Olympus
products. I feel that you get better natural looking pictures with
most of thier cameras. But this is just my opinion nothing more. JD
there is more to a digital camera than pixels...and with that
enough said.

Carmen
JD said:
Carmen said:
Back to your same old routine I see. It seems your the one who has
something to prove here. My reasoning behind this is plain and
simple I can't stand for people to say things that aren't true. It
erks me! And I beg your pardon but I am not infatuated with any
thing. I just know that you really don't know (in this case) what
you are talking about. I don't need you to send me any samples I
have my own. I have had more cameras than I could count on two
hands. I have no illusions about what a camera can and cannot do.
As I said before there has to be something wrong with your moniter.
or what kind of printer are you using? Have you explored these
posibilities? I am not the only one who knows what the 100 can do.
Maybe you should go back and read the link that you once so
actively participated and see what others have to say about your
opinion I am not alone!
Have a nice day!

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1008&page=1&message=1677361

Carmen
JD said:
Carmen said:
Carmen
Jimmy said:
Why on earth trade in for an E-100. Yes, it's got the E-label...

You can put your 2100 on constant (~ anticipating?) autofocus but
it demands battery power.

Yes, you can get 8*10 out of an e-100, by interpolation.

As long as you don't need 15 fps, your kind'a trading down...

Especially at higher sensitivities you'll be better of with the
2100 as you'll get less noisy images, whether your printing or
resizing to screen size.

Next time you buy a camera you might want to look out better what
suits your needs so you won't have to swap, no offence ;-)))
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Go for the E100. I've seen a lot of samples. With the price of E100 is dropping, I'll try to trade my C2100 for a E100 and use my C3030 when hi-resolution needed.

Ignore disappointing comments from other Uzi'ers. They used to shoot down every high pix cams such as c3000,3030 & 3040....claimming pixels is not everything. Now they say pixels do matter when comparing to E100. All B.S.
 
Hi Maxven, the way to get cured is to stop posting and go take pictures! Jump your girlfriend or wife! Or hit the off button and have someone hide your powercord! Don't pay your phonebill! Call your mother! Take out your modem and run it over with the car! There! Problem solved!

Jason
Maxven said:
Regards, Maxven ;-)
Jens ( Sweden ) said:
Maxven said:
I suppose Jimmy has told something wrong or not verified about noise ?
I must admit that I see no relation between (noise) and (the
differences between 2100 and E100) ? Is IT the point ?
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He's bringing up a subject that he think people are making to big
deal of ( noise ). My reaction is, why does he bring up a " tiny
issue " when he think it's being talked to much about :-)

As I said before, no big deal, let's leave it at that..

Cheers
Jens
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JD don't you really have to own an E-100 to have enough experience with it to know what it will do and won't do? It seems that even people that have owned them for a bit are still learning something daily, so my question to you is what is your actual experience with an E-100? Do you even own an E-100? I ask because I am looking for the foundation of where your comments come from. If you actually own one and would like to sell it I am sure that others as well as myself would help you get it off your hands. Again it appears that you are more concerned about being right then adding something of more value to the thread, or perhaps god forid learning something! If it means that much to you JD then I will type it for you so you can print it out and look at it daily ok! YOU ARE RIGHT! Ok now you have what you want I hope you are satisfied. I would rather just type what you want to see then put up with this nonsense!

Jason
JD said:
Carmen said:
Carmen
Jimmy said:
Why on earth trade in for an E-100. Yes, it's got the E-label...

You can put your 2100 on constant (~ anticipating?) autofocus but
it demands battery power.

Yes, you can get 8*10 out of an e-100, by interpolation.

As long as you don't need 15 fps, your kind'a trading down...

Especially at higher sensitivities you'll be better of with the
2100 as you'll get less noisy images, whether your printing or
resizing to screen size.

Next time you buy a camera you might want to look out better what
suits your needs so you won't have to swap, no offence ;-)))
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Maxven said:
Just came back from the post office with my Manfrotto 390RC head.
It can't beat the fluid video heads in smoothness, but for my needs
it's just perfect. I love the portrait flip, which none of the
video heads have. I had to try it just shooting out the window with
the C-210 attached. I could hear plenty of birds mocking me because
I couldn't see them. I'll probably go to the park and try shooting
some ducks if the weather clears up.
My dad's out hunting today. I hope he make's it despite his
Parkinsonism. He really loves hunting and although he's too weak
and unbalanced to shoot, just being outside with "the guys" makes
him happy. My mum's having my sister's kids over for pumpkin
cutting. Maybe I'll stop by to take some pictures.
I didn't know you had an October festival in Sweden. I thought it
was only a German thing. Good luck with the Jazz. I wish there were
some around here, but that's the tradeoff when you move to a
smaller town.

Regards, Maxven

P.S.: Any tips for duck shooting?
Jens ( Sweden ) said:
Well, I woke up this morning, looked out the window, got depressed
and now I'm sitting here :-) Yep, this forum is addictive so I'm
forcing myself out this afternoon :-) Going for some Jazz and later
on, it's October festival so I should be yodelling tonight :-)

Cheers
Jens
Maxven said:
Jens and Michel would you join me in starting a DPA (DPreview
Anonymous) club? I see you're both posting late and early, just
like me. I'm an addict and I admit it. How does one get cured?

Regards, Maxven ;-)
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Maven I like the SLIK pistol grip head with the quick release that I used to use with my nikon. It works well with the E-10 and my Bogen/Man Tripod. You just squeeze the grip and put the camera at the angle you want and then lock it down. I also have a lightweight Bogen/Man monopod which worked well for me when I was in Europe earlier this year. It doubles as a walking stick and if need be you can use it as a club if you need to protect yourself and your equipment from theft!

Jason
 
Well said again Jason.....Thanks...

Carmen
Jason Stoller said:
Jason
JD said:
Carmen said:
Carmen
Jimmy said:
Why on earth trade in for an E-100. Yes, it's got the E-label...

You can put your 2100 on constant (~ anticipating?) autofocus but
it demands battery power.

Yes, you can get 8*10 out of an e-100, by interpolation.

As long as you don't need 15 fps, your kind'a trading down...

Especially at higher sensitivities you'll be better of with the
2100 as you'll get less noisy images, whether your printing or
resizing to screen size.

Next time you buy a camera you might want to look out better what
suits your needs so you won't have to swap, no offence ;-)))
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Maxven,

I am afraid I would not be - ALWAYS - a good member of the club, just like this week-end when I was out most of the time with familly and friends. It was by the way a surprise to see this thread so longer. I will try to find and answer the posts I should. If I miss some, please, posters, accept my apologizes.

You are right I am often connected to the forum. When I am interested in something I have no end until this interest if fully satisfied. And where could I find better answers to these questions ?

Moreover, I have a bad sleep, and it's one of my tasks to ensure that the Internet connection at my job is working well. All these pretextes drive me here, so I don't feel really addict. But you know how are the addicts at anything in any Anonymous club ? They first think they are not addict at all.

I should think of that. When I am retired, I WANT to be totally addict (at tobacco, alcohol, playing with my grand children, music, friends, and a lot of unmentionable other activities (vices?) including Olympus Dpreview forum.
Michel.
Maxven said:
Regards, Maxven ;-)
Jens ( Sweden ) said:
Maxven said:
I suppose Jimmy has told something wrong or not verified about noise ?
I must admit that I see no relation between (noise) and (the
differences between 2100 and E100) ? Is IT the point ?
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He's bringing up a subject that he think people are making to big
deal of ( noise ). My reaction is, why does he bring up a " tiny
issue " when he think it's being talked to much about :-)

As I said before, no big deal, let's leave it at that..

Cheers
Jens
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