Finally got a lette back from canon..........

[Daniella68313]

because you must press and hold the tiny DOF preview button and that is very hard to do while taking photos of birds with a big lens.

switching the MF focus is also tricky because you may have to refocus if the bird move at the last minute..this all have to take place very fast or you miss the shot.

I really dont know anything about Full time AI Servo stuff. But,
does this link help with anything at all??

http://www.xmldatabases.org/WK/blog/1454_Digital_Rebel_Hack_No._2_-_Full_time_AI_Servo.item

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[Daniella68313]

ahhhh ain't that so cute to see someone fall in the Canon mold so easily?

how about the camera behaving how the manual state? it is NOT supposed to kick on servo when you recompose on static subjects..period.

So lets just forgive Canon for that little mistake and give them more money for a 10D... this is so cute ))

Dave, you might be in a position in which the price difference is
just small change. Here in Australia, the 10D costs around A$1000
more than the 300D, then you have to buy a wide angle lens as well.
I spent almost A$3000 on the camera and a 75 - 300 IS and thought
long and hard before doing that. A 10D was and is out of the
question. I love everything else about the 300D but I feel cheated
over the AI focus issue.

Yes, certainly the price difference is a legitimate deal breaker.
The Rebel D is a wonderful deal in comparison to the 10D especially
when you consider the price of a comparable lens to the kit lens.

AlFocus has definitely not been a problem for me with the ten
different lenses I have used on the Rebel D, including the 75-300
IS lens. You are certainly correct that the camera does kick into
AlServo with that lens much more easily than it does the kit lens,
but it has never been a problem for me. That definitely doesn't
suggest that it isn't for you, though.

I would, if I were you, put your Rebel D on ebay now while it will
bring a maximum price and go for a 10D. You have accumulated lenses
and perhaps the price difference won't be as great. I think the 10D
would work better for you, probably.

I think we have to accept the givens of any new camera. They are
not something that are going to be changed by the factory no matter
what our clammorings are. That the Rebel D has short comings is
obvious. The 10D surely does too as does every other camera you are
likely to own. You just have to decide if it will work for you. If
it won't you have to move on. This ongoing indictment of Canon for
issues they aren't going to consider issues is nothing but a
negative gloom that does none of us any benefit.
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[Daniella68313]

who is the worse here? people who complain about real problems or people who complain about people who complain? those who complain about people who complain have absolutely no reason to complain because they can just skip those posts if they don't like to read them...

they simply complain because they like to.

issues they aren't going to consider issues is nothing but a
negative gloom that does none of us any benefit.

Sorry Dave, but if no one complains about these issues then canon
won't know there are issues. Canon would simply think the camera
is oustanding.

If no one ever complained i guess i would be paying taxes to the
queen of england right now and pay very high prices for my cameras
like my british brothers.

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[Daniella68313]

I think, as I've said before in this regard, that allowing these
neverending threads to dominate this good forum does all of us a
disservice. I guess I am part of the problem since I have responded
to several posts in several of these threads. I just think beating
dead horses is a waste and rather unsavory in the process.

Dave Lewis

How can you say that 100s of posts in this and other forums are a
waste of space? COuld it not be that people write about it because
they are concerned?

Well you have answered your question, mind your own business.

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[Daniella68313]

and posts like yours don't ? they are lively and creative? give me a break! ))

If you really felt that way you would post somethign constructive instead of complaining about complaints.

But don't you see, it is my business, because it has systematically
destroyed a lively, vital, enthusiastic forum. There are dozens of
us who have voiced our displeasure at the ongoing indictment of
Canon and the Rebel D. We have asked that it be somehow brought to
an end over and over again, yet it continues.

oh geee..I guess that meanst that the problems wont go away on their own now does it?

I find it discouraging that new folks come to this forum only to be
turned away by negativism. Not only turned away from a potentially
fine forum but an obviously fine camera.

on the contrary..they come here and read about the possible issues and they SHOULD know about these before they buy the camera..everybody should be able to find out potential problem with a camera BEFORE they buy it.

I am sure that Paul woudl have bought a 10D right away and so would I have.

BTW..why do you care if people buy a 300d or a 10D? that does not stop you from sleeping or it does not give you sale commission.

There has been no good come from these threads and there never will
be. Canon holds them with no regard and the rest of us hold them in
contempt.

maybe you should speak for yourself?

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[Daniella68313]

why trying to hide this from newbies or potential buyers is very dishonest to my opinion. why hide this???

How can you say that 100s of posts in this and other forums are a
waste of space? COuld it not be that people write about it because
they are concerned?

Well you have answered your question, mind your own business.

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But don't you see, it is my business, because it has systematically
destroyed a lively, vital, enthusiastic forum. There are dozens of
us who have voiced our displeasure at the ongoing indictment of
Canon and the Rebel D. We have asked that it be somehow brought to
an end over and over again, yet it continues.

I find it discouraging that new folks come to this forum only to be
turned away by negativism. Not only turned away from a potentially
fine forum but an obviously fine camera.

There has been no good come from these threads and there never will
be. Canon holds them with no regard and the rest of us hold them in
contempt.
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You must understand that it is your opinion. I think threads like
this are plenty helpful to future buyers, atleast they will be more
informed than i was about focus lock and FTM. These are two real
issues IMO. It doesn't matter in the long run as i will simply buy
the 10d or possibly 1d mkII because canon makes it clear that the
rebel line will never have advanced functionality, that's a shame
IMO since i really like the size and weight of the camera.
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[Daniella68313]

this is what happen when my AI servo kick in

 

[MRK83]

Fully agree. You won't find any mention of the fact that FTM is not useable in the Creative Zone of the 300D on Canon's website, nor will they tell you unless you specifically ask (in which case you already know).
In Australia the 300D is advertised as "compatible with over 70 Canon lenses"

To the best of my knowledge, none of the online reviews mentions the problem of kicking into servo on a simple re-compose.

This forum is a useful source of this sort of info (plus about the dof button workaround) and people comtemplating a 300D purchase have a right to know.

Personally I find the multiplicity of post about the black 300D pretty tiresome and the hysteria about the alleged moire of the D70 was simply bizarre, but I don't have to read the posts.
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[Daniella68313]

I have chosen to participate in only a few of these threads. When I
participate, I usually pursue my thoughts to some kind of a
realistic end. Perhaps I am at that end now.

I surely hope so...it's not very helpful to solve problem..if you don't like these threads just ignore them, but you will not shut people up.

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[Daniella68313]

And why is it the "advanced" modes that prevent you using the
"advanced" lenses? Doesn't make sense...

Btw, I agree that they're VERY unlikely to do anything about it in
this camera - it's not the Japanese way, as it would involve a
"loss of face" to admit that there was ever anything sub-optimal
about the design and implementation of autofocus in this or any
other camera.

... I don’t
really have a problem with this at all. If you want more features
spend some more bucks, none of the current Canon DSLR bodies allow
FTM focusing when using Ai-Focus mode.

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[Daniella68313]

now do they make this info available ? no.. you only discover this when you finaly buy the camera and a lens that has FTM.

this is even more ridiculous because if Canon would make that info available, many potentials buyers would buy the 10d instead so what would they loose? nothing.

They require you to use Mickey Mouse modes so that you will upgrade
to the more expensive 10D. There is no loss of face, they made the
camera that way on purpose. As they clearly indicated, if you want
more advanced features then you need to spend some extra cash and
buy the more advanced camera. Why would anyone buy a 10D if the
rebel had all the same functionality? There was no mistake made by
Canon, they limited the Rebel on purpose and offered a clear path
for those who wanted more capability.

that does not stop that they should make the camera behave as stated in the manual. and well...it does not.

Greg

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[Daniella68313]

I don't think I've ever used the manual focusing ring on any of my
lenses without first turning auto focus off.

you cannot do this if your lens does not support FTM!

I can see if you

desire to "touch up" your focus by using the full time manual
focusing ring on some of the USM lenses and AlServo kicked in it
would definitely be a pain. I really never thought of that. I guess
because I just never do it that way. To me the focusing screen on
Canon EOS digitals is so clear that you really can't get all that
good an idea of focus anyway. I have always found auto focus gives
me the best results in all three of my EOS digitals.

Here is my question, just how many folks using the Rebel D do you
think ever use the full time manual focusing ring on their lenses,
especially considering that the kit lens is not a USM lens.

probably everyone who buy expensive L lenses...how is that?

Seems just pretty close to a non issue to me. Might have been for a
1D but for the Rebel D I think you are splitting hairs.

then if it is a non issue...why are you so concerned that people talk about it? let me be a non issue and ignore those threads if you don't have problem.

As for the tone of that letter, you must be sensitive or something.
It surely didn't sound arrogant to me. It sounded honest.

nothing is honest about hiding this from customers until AFTER you buy the camera.

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[howyroark]

When you buy a car, do you expect to pay the base price and get leather, sun roof, and dvd for free? You all knew what you were buying, so why do you continue to pester Canon about it?

They did what they had to do to release a groundbreaking product, which opened up the market to a huge group of people, and if you don't like it, it really isn't their fault. I bought a 10D for a reason, but I don't expect it to have all the bells and whistles the 1D, or even the Mark II, has. You should be happy that you've come to appreciate all the features that it doesn't have, because if you bought it not knowing that those features were or might be important then you have learned and grown. Plenty of people are giddy with joy about their DR. If you're not, upgrade or go to another brand. And just for the record, Nikon came in under $1,000 a long time after Canon...don't you think it was a smart marketing decsion to save time and money leaving those features off and getting to market first. Look at how many people have invested in Canon glass and will stick with them because of it. They are, after all, in business to make money.
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[David Barker91965]

If you want a comparison with a car, it's more like buying a bottom of the range model and having the air con (stay with me here) automatically maintain an arbitrary temperature, but only if you have selected an even-numbered gear (2nd or 4th). If you're using 1st or 3rd gear you can select the temperature you prefer to sit and drive in.

The "complainer" would (as now) not be asking for any extras, but just the ability to control the "features" they already have. Imagine the reply to a letter about that - imagine being told you had to buy a more expensive model if you want to be able to control the a/c temperature in all gear ratios. Ridiculous!

When you buy a car, do you expect to pay the base price and get
leather, sun roof, and dvd for free? You all knew what you were
buying, so why do you continue to pester Canon about it?
They did what they had to do to release a groundbreaking product,
which opened up the market to a huge group of people, and if you
don't like it, it really isn't their fault. I bought a 10D for a
reason, but I don't expect it to have all the bells and whistles
the 1D, or even the Mark II, has. You should be happy that you've
come to appreciate all the features that it doesn't have, because
if you bought it not knowing that those features were or might be
important then you have learned and grown. Plenty of people are
giddy with joy about their DR. If you're not, upgrade or go to
another brand. And just for the record, Nikon came in under $1,000
a long time after Canon...don't you think it was a smart marketing
decsion to save time and money leaving those features off and
getting to market first. Look at how many people have invested in
Canon glass and will stick with them because of it. They are,
after all, in business to make money.
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[Daniella68313]

I don't expect the brakes to work 50% of the time. I don't expect them to engage when I don't need them either.

When you buy a car, do you expect to pay the base price and get
leather, sun roof, and dvd for free? You all knew what you were
buying, so why do you continue to pester Canon about it?
They did what they had to do to release a groundbreaking product,
which opened up the market to a huge group of people, and if you
don't like it, it really isn't their fault. I bought a 10D for a
reason, but I don't expect it to have all the bells and whistles
the 1D, or even the Mark II, has. You should be happy that you've
come to appreciate all the features that it doesn't have, because
if you bought it not knowing that those features were or might be
important then you have learned and grown. Plenty of people are
giddy with joy about their DR. If you're not, upgrade or go to
another brand. And just for the record, Nikon came in under $1,000
a long time after Canon...don't you think it was a smart marketing
decsion to save time and money leaving those features off and
getting to market first. Look at how many people have invested in
Canon glass and will stick with them because of it. They are,
after all, in business to make money.
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[Dave Lewis]

I have chosen to participate in only a few of these threads. When I
participate, I usually pursue my thoughts to some kind of a
realistic end. Perhaps I am at that end now.

I surely hope so...it's not very helpful to solve problem..if you
don't like these threads just ignore them, but you will not shut
people up.

I know I won't shut you up. 17500 posts in 2 1/2 years. When do you eat.
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[Dave Lewis]

Here is my question, just how many folks using the Rebel D do you
think ever use the full time manual focusing ring on their lenses,
especially considering that the kit lens is not a USM lens.

probably everyone who buy expensive L lenses...how is that?

Just how many Rebel D owners do you think buy expensive L lenses to use with it. Maybe you have, but you know full well you should have bought the 10D to begin with.

I'm sure the Rebel D will bring some folks to Canon intensely enough that they will eventually move up to more expensive cameras and L lenses but the overwhelming base of Rebel D users will have the kit lens and perhaps another cheap zoom like the Sigma 70-300. Full time manual focus will never cross their minds. Furthermore, as I stated below, trusting the almost clear focusing screen of the Rebel D more than auto focus is and exercise in hopefulness at best.

This whole issue is splitting hairs on an entry level camera intended for entry level people. You are apparently more than an entry level person and should be using a better camera. Why you prefer to ***** about the Rebel D rather than move to a more adequate camera for your use is beyond this forum.
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[Ken Clifford]

I know I won't shut you up. 17500 posts in 2 1/2 years. When do you
eat.
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[David Barker91965]

I'd love to see this claim being defended in court!

In Australia the 300D is advertised as "compatible with over 70
Canon lenses"

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[Devilish]

Hi Paul,

Just thought I would get yer thread to 100 posts for you lol

Matt (devilish)

I scanned it and saved it so i wouldn't have to type it.



Unfortunately you can't write directly to the president or to
anyone important for that matter, all mail is redirected to some
customer service rep. that spits out the same cr@p to everyone.
This is what i expected. I will try writing to someone lower on
the totem pole, but i think my only hope is the hackers come up
with a solution to my recomposing problem using the 400 f5.6L. I
wonder if canon will every release a new digital rebel with more
features since it's not intended for advanced funtionality, i'm
guessing they will lower the prices of the rebel and 10d to compete
more closely with the d70 or maybe we will see a different camera.
I'm guessing i will have to get a 10d after this camera.
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