Capture 1 Pro V11 is out

[leerob]

How do you do perspective and lens distortion correction in C1?

Thank you!

 

[AdCr]

C1 NR is bad? I am surprised. Of course it is not as good as DXO PRIME but bad?

I think it at least equal DXO HQ NR option

and LR NR better than C1? I don't know as I never use LR

Well, it's obviously very subjective what's bad and what's reasonable or good etc. I'm pretty sure there's plenty of other converters that do it much worse - I haven't tried them all. But I don't compare C1 which I consider best RAW converter to all free and $50 converters, I compare it to major players in the game.

It's definitely significantly worse than DXO and LR. With high ISO images I simply cannot remove noise in C1 even with highest settings. As I said, with medium ISO you can get away with C1 NR but for noisy high ISO images it's just not enough.

It seems to me that part of the problem is the C1 ability to pull so many little details from the RAW file which is obviously huge advantage when the noise is low. It applies some sort of local contrast or micro contrast or however you want to call it, that I cannot replicate with LR sliders.

I have seen few articles trying to convince people that C1 is just more aggressive with default settings and that's why it looks better than LR and that you can easily replicate that look by moving LR sliders. While I may agree that C1 does indeed apply strong local "contrasty" look - that look is not going to be achieved by moving clarity/contrast/etc sliders in LR. And I think that is the cause of NR problem - when you pull so much details from the RAW file and the image is very noisy, you're inevitably going to pull out a lot of noise as well.

It looks to me like a trade-off that PhaseOne is making in that area and I'm not even surprised by that. C1 seems to be directed towards professional photographers, fashion shoots, commercial shoots etc - they don't really create 12800 ISO photos trying to remove noise in PP.

But the fact is that when I'm dealing with high ISO images, LR simply produces a lot more pleasant image due to a lot stronger NR that I can apply.

 

[AdCr]

How do you do perspective and lens distortion correction in C1?

Thank you!

There are tool tabs for that called "Keystone" for perspective and "Lens correction" for - lens correction :-D

Hotkey for keystone is "K" and you also have it in the top toolbar in the middle, you can do vertical/horizontal/both.

 

[AdCr]

Same here! Surprised about this statement about NR in C1. I already thought of using NR in Affinity Photo if that is true (not sure how that compares to C1 though). I didn't know NR is bad in C1. Maybe others can also comment on this subject?

Just because I said that C1 NR is poor, doesn't mean that I wouldn't find Affinity Photo NR awful and total joke which would still make C1 NR superior ;-)

I haven't used Affinity Photo so I can't comment on that, please download trials of both programs and compare yourself - that's the best way, we all have different needs. I just think that C1 NR is not on par with the rest of the program which is superb and that other major RAW converters do NR better.

 

[MacUser2]

I am no expert since I have been using C1 for only a month, but I have used the keystone adjustment several times. I find it intuitive and easier to use than the LR adjustment. C1 has a very easy to understand instruction on how to use it.

 

[Jefftan]

a fair comparison between C1 and DXO NR is for DXO HQ not PRIME because of processing time

which is better i don't know for sure but I think they are comparable

 

[Paul_S57]

Paul,

I am a great fan of your tutorials and have used them to make myself a C1 hand book, that I use to remind me where everything is hidden. The C1 guys seem to delight in "stealthing" their sliders. I found that using C1 was not hard, the real problem was knowing where to look for the "slider". If it weren't for your tutorials I would be cursing my decision to spend all that money in oder to come-over from the "dark side".

The only remaining migration problem that is driving me up a wall, is setting up a catalog system that resembles my old catalog format from LR.



Is there any chance that you could create a "cook book" the provides detailed instructions on how the get a C1 catalog to look like this?

I am aiming to set up an annual catalogs, eg, 2012 and then have a folder for each "shoot" within the year that resemble the picture above. I know how to brute force it but I would like to be able to have it happen automatically every time a download a CF card from the camera.

Hi MacUser2,

The way you organise your images by year and date subfolders should not be a problem to Capture One. You can use tokens to automatically create the subfolders starting form the parent folder.

In the Import Image dialog > Import To > Destination: Choose Folder > parent folder of the year folder. The Sub folder field is added under Destination. Open the Location Sub Folder Tokens dialog with the 3 dots at the right. Fill in the tokens [Image Year yyyy]/[Image Year yy]-[Image Month mm]-[Image Day of Month dd], save as preset and click OK.

This is a one-time setup for the catalog you use. For future catalogs you might need to open the preset drop-down list and select your choice once.

--
Best regards,
Paul Steunebrink / Image Alchemist

 

[tokumeino]

Paul,

I am a great fan of your tutorials and have used them to make myself a C1 hand book, that I use to remind me where everything is hidden. The C1 guys seem to delight in "stealthing" their sliders. I found that using C1 was not hard, the real problem was knowing where to look for the "slider". If it weren't for your tutorials I would be cursing my decision to spend all that money in oder to come-over from the "dark side".

The only remaining migration problem that is driving me up a wall, is setting up a catalog system that resembles my old catalog format from LR.



Is there any chance that you could create a "cook book" the provides detailed instructions on how the get a C1 catalog to look like this?

I am aiming to set up an annual catalogs, eg, 2012 and then have a folder for each "shoot" within the year that resemble the picture above. I know how to brute force it but I would like to be able to have it happen automatically every time a download a CF card from the camera.

Hi MacUser2,

The way you organise your images by year and date subfolders should not be a problem to Capture One. You can use tokens to automatically create the subfolders starting form the parent folder.

In the Import Image dialog > Import To > Destination: Choose Folder > parent folder of the year folder. The Sub folder field is added under Destination. Open the Location Sub Folder Tokens dialog with the 3 dots at the right. Fill in the tokens [Image Year yyyy]/[Image Year yy]-[Image Month mm]-[Image Day of Month dd], save as preset and click OK.

This is a one-time setup for the catalog you use. For future catalogs you might need to open the preset drop-down list and select your choice once.

--
Best regards,
Paul Steunebrink / Image Alchemist

Agree. Just one precision :

• the abililty to use tokens to define folder names is only for importing, not when renaming : you need to choose carefully your organisation scheme because there is no way back ;-(
• if you plan to injest videos from your SD card in addition to pictures, COP won't be able to sort them in date based folders because it is unable to guess the modification date of a video file. If you sometimes take videos with you cameras, better buy an additional software but be careful : your daily-based naming scheme will then be a nightmare since you'll need to import day-based folders one by one, COP beeing unable to import multiple folders at once (coming back from a 3 weeks hollidays will result in 21 imports).

Stupid. COP is aware of that since a very long time but they just don't care so it won't improve soon IMO.

I have the exact same naming scheme as you and it was the main motivation for me to switch to another software (at a cost). So I would suggest to keep away from COP.

 

[Htbaa]

Paul,

I am a great fan of your tutorials and have used them to make myself a C1 hand book, that I use to remind me where everything is hidden. The C1 guys seem to delight in "stealthing" their sliders. I found that using C1 was not hard, the real problem was knowing where to look for the "slider". If it weren't for your tutorials I would be cursing my decision to spend all that money in oder to come-over from the "dark side".

The only remaining migration problem that is driving me up a wall, is setting up a catalog system that resembles my old catalog format from LR.



Is there any chance that you could create a "cook book" the provides detailed instructions on how the get a C1 catalog to look like this?

I am aiming to set up an annual catalogs, eg, 2012 and then have a folder for each "shoot" within the year that resemble the picture above. I know how to brute force it but I would like to be able to have it happen automatically every time a download a CF card from the camera.

Hi MacUser2,

The way you organise your images by year and date subfolders should not be a problem to Capture One. You can use tokens to automatically create the subfolders starting form the parent folder.

In the Import Image dialog > Import To > Destination: Choose Folder > parent folder of the year folder. The Sub folder field is added under Destination. Open the Location Sub Folder Tokens dialog with the 3 dots at the right. Fill in the tokens [Image Year yyyy]/[Image Year yy]-[Image Month mm]-[Image Day of Month dd], save as preset and click OK.

This is a one-time setup for the catalog you use. For future catalogs you might need to open the preset drop-down list and select your choice once.

--
Best regards,
Paul Steunebrink / Image Alchemist

Agree. Just one precision :

• the abililty to use tokens to define folder names is only for importing, not when renaming : you need to choose carefully your organisation scheme because there is no way back ;-(
• if you plan to injest videos from your SD card in addition to pictures, COP won't be able to sort them in date based folders because it is unable to guess the modification date of a video file. If you sometimes take videos with you cameras, better buy an additional software but be careful : your daily-based naming scheme will then be a nightmare since you'll need to import day-based folders one by one, COP beeing unable to import multiple folders at once (coming back from a 3 weeks hollidays will result in 21 imports).

Stupid. COP is aware of that since a very long time but they just don't care so it won't improve soon IMO.

I have the exact same naming scheme as you and it was the main motivation for me to switch to another software (at a cost). So I would suggest to keep away from COP.

I just found that out myself as well regarding the video files. Pretty annoying as I used to rename them with Lightroom to have their dates included in the file name.

Also, they still haven't fixed a translation bug I noticed in 10. In Dutch it says "anneleren" instead of "annuleren". I mentioned this to them through Twitter. Can't imagine no one else noticed it before.

 

[Paul_S57]

Paul,

I am a great fan of your tutorials and have used them to make myself a C1 hand book, that I use to remind me where everything is hidden. The C1 guys seem to delight in "stealthing" their sliders. I found that using C1 was not hard, the real problem was knowing where to look for the "slider". If it weren't for your tutorials I would be cursing my decision to spend all that money in oder to come-over from the "dark side".

The only remaining migration problem that is driving me up a wall, is setting up a catalog system that resembles my old catalog format from LR.



Is there any chance that you could create a "cook book" the provides detailed instructions on how the get a C1 catalog to look like this?

I am aiming to set up an annual catalogs, eg, 2012 and then have a folder for each "shoot" within the year that resemble the picture above. I know how to brute force it but I would like to be able to have it happen automatically every time a download a CF card from the camera.

Hi MacUser2,

The way you organise your images by year and date subfolders should not be a problem to Capture One. You can use tokens to automatically create the subfolders starting form the parent folder.

In the Import Image dialog > Import To > Destination: Choose Folder > parent folder of the year folder. The Sub folder field is added under Destination. Open the Location Sub Folder Tokens dialog with the 3 dots at the right. Fill in the tokens [Image Year yyyy]/[Image Year yy]-[Image Month mm]-[Image Day of Month dd], save as preset and click OK.

This is a one-time setup for the catalog you use. For future catalogs you might need to open the preset drop-down list and select your choice once.

--
Best regards,
Paul Steunebrink / Image Alchemist

Agree. Just one precision :

• the abililty to use tokens to define folder names is only for importing, not when renaming : you need to choose carefully your organisation scheme because there is no way back ;-(
• if you plan to injest videos from your SD card in addition to pictures, COP won't be able to sort them in date based folders because it is unable to guess the modification date of a video file. If you sometimes take videos with you cameras, better buy an additional software but be careful : your daily-based naming scheme will then be a nightmare since you'll need to import day-based folders one by one, COP beeing unable to import multiple folders at once (coming back from a 3 weeks hollidays will result in 21 imports).

Stupid. COP is aware of that since a very long time but they just don't care so it won't improve soon IMO.

I have the exact same naming scheme as you and it was the main motivation for me to switch to another software (at a cost). So I would suggest to keep away from COP.

I just found that out myself as well regarding the video files. Pretty annoying as I used to rename them with Lightroom to have their dates included in the file name.

Also, they still haven't fixed a translation bug I noticed in 10. In Dutch it says "anneleren" instead of "annuleren". I mentioned this to them through Twitter. Can't imagine no one else noticed it before.

Htbaa, the translation issue is on Windows, right? I will contact Phase One over this and have it fixed. For Dutch translation issues you can contact me directly (website) as I am the editor for Dutch since a year and have to iron out these older bugs as well.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

--
Best regards,
Paul Steunebrink / Image Alchemist

 

[Htbaa]

Paul,

I am a great fan of your tutorials and have used them to make myself a C1 hand book, that I use to remind me where everything is hidden. The C1 guys seem to delight in "stealthing" their sliders. I found that using C1 was not hard, the real problem was knowing where to look for the "slider". If it weren't for your tutorials I would be cursing my decision to spend all that money in oder to come-over from the "dark side".

The only remaining migration problem that is driving me up a wall, is setting up a catalog system that resembles my old catalog format from LR.



Is there any chance that you could create a "cook book" the provides detailed instructions on how the get a C1 catalog to look like this?

I am aiming to set up an annual catalogs, eg, 2012 and then have a folder for each "shoot" within the year that resemble the picture above. I know how to brute force it but I would like to be able to have it happen automatically every time a download a CF card from the camera.

Hi MacUser2,

The way you organise your images by year and date subfolders should not be a problem to Capture One. You can use tokens to automatically create the subfolders starting form the parent folder.

In the Import Image dialog > Import To > Destination: Choose Folder > parent folder of the year folder. The Sub folder field is added under Destination. Open the Location Sub Folder Tokens dialog with the 3 dots at the right. Fill in the tokens [Image Year yyyy]/[Image Year yy]-[Image Month mm]-[Image Day of Month dd], save as preset and click OK.

This is a one-time setup for the catalog you use. For future catalogs you might need to open the preset drop-down list and select your choice once.

--
Best regards,
Paul Steunebrink / Image Alchemist

Agree. Just one precision :

• the abililty to use tokens to define folder names is only for importing, not when renaming : you need to choose carefully your organisation scheme because there is no way back ;-(
• if you plan to injest videos from your SD card in addition to pictures, COP won't be able to sort them in date based folders because it is unable to guess the modification date of a video file. If you sometimes take videos with you cameras, better buy an additional software but be careful : your daily-based naming scheme will then be a nightmare since you'll need to import day-based folders one by one, COP beeing unable to import multiple folders at once (coming back from a 3 weeks hollidays will result in 21 imports).

Stupid. COP is aware of that since a very long time but they just don't care so it won't improve soon IMO.

I have the exact same naming scheme as you and it was the main motivation for me to switch to another software (at a cost). So I would suggest to keep away from COP.

I just found that out myself as well regarding the video files. Pretty annoying as I used to rename them with Lightroom to have their dates included in the file name.

Also, they still haven't fixed a translation bug I noticed in 10. In Dutch it says "anneleren" instead of "annuleren". I mentioned this to them through Twitter. Can't imagine no one else noticed it before.

Htbaa, the translation issue is on Windows, right? I will contact Phase One over this and have it fixed. For Dutch translation issues you can contact me directly (website) as I am the editor for Dutch since a year and have to iron out these older bugs as well.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

--
Best regards,
Paul Steunebrink / Image Alchemist

It's indeed on Windows .

 

[MacUser2]

Thanks for the advice, but it is too late now; I already spent the "big bucks."

But thanks anyway!!

 

[irv00]

Thanks for the advice, but it is too late now; I already spent the "big bucks."

But thanks anyway!!

You won’t regret it.

Capture One just delivers great raw conversion results with a minimum of hassle; a bit tricky to setup at the beginning in terms of deciding whether catalogs or sessions work best for you, but investing a couple of hours trying different strategies will do the trick.

If you happen to couple Capture One with Photoshop, you will have absolute best toolset money can buy - for relatively modest initial investment. Lots of people end up spending far more because they shop on price, not quality.

 

[mujana]

I'm with others about the mediocre DAM or non-existing tools like photo-merge, but I was not aware of the imense creative power from v11 until I used it. The new layer-system which replaced the local adjustement tool is defiinitely not only a renaming. The combination of all the new features makes it big:

all tools are adjustable to 16 layers and the background + feather layer-mask + refine layer-mask + opacity for layers + style presets for layers + new color algorithms + higher performance (+ all the already available functions around the local adjustements)

This sounds like a small upgrade but after a month in use (I applied for the beta test) it feels rather like a complete new processing experience. Of course if you switch everytime to PS/Afinity/... there is no need to use this. But most try to avoid that additional step I think.

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flickr

Nice to read this sebbe. I have bought Affinity Photo just recently. Still looking for a Lightroom replacement (the raw converter part). It will either be C1 or DXO. Going from there into Affinity Photo will only be every now and then (certainly not with all files). Nice to read that you like the layer system so much.

I am working on a tutorial page to support Lightroom users who make the jump to Capture One. You are welcome to take a look and also to comment if you feel the need.

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Best regards,
Paul Steunebrink / Image Alchemist

I just downloaded trial versions of Capture One 11 and DXO Photolab. I chose Catalogues in C1. Don't know enough about Sessions, but I think that's more for shooting tethered (might be wrong here).

Maybe predictable, but my very first impression is, that C1 renders RAW files more to my liking immediately after import (DXO looks a little less sharp and a little flat compared to C1. I'm sure that can change after working on these files in DXO though). However, I find DXO more intuitive to work with. This is my VERY first impression. I hope I have enough time to work more extensively with both C1 and DXO.

 

[ImageAmateur]

See:

https://www.phaseone.com/

Ian

Review here:

https://imagealchemist.net/capture-one-pro-11-review/

Ian

Cool, that's quick. Sadly his AMBALCHEMIST discount code doesn't seem to work yet (at least for the Sony version).

Hi Again Paul,

Thanks again, just did the upgrade from Capture One Pro 9 to Capture One Pro 11 and your Discount Code worked, including not giving any trouble in payment as I am outside USA.

Thanks very much!!

ps - I also still have a license for C1 Pro 10, but that is another story. Asked a while back if I could give a license away to another photographer, but does not seem so.

Take Care.

 

[mli20]

<snip>

ps - I also still have a license for C1 Pro 10, but that is another story. Asked a while back if I could give a license away to another photographer, but does not seem so.

<snip>

It possibly depends on your location.

I found a ruling from the European Court of Justice, case C-128/11, UsedSoft vs. Oracle, confirming that a software license can be resold, irrespective of provisions to the contrary in the license agreement.

 

[ImageAmateur]

<snip>

ps - I also still have a license for C1 Pro 10, but that is another story. Asked a while back if I could give a license away to another photographer, but does not seem so.

<snip>

It possibly depends on your location.

I found a ruling from the European Court of Justice, case C-128/11, UsedSoft vs. Oracle, confirming that a software license can be resold, irrespective of provisions to the contrary in the license agreement.

Interesting. Thanks. I don't want to sell it, just give it away, as I have both C1 II and C1 10, I was looking to give away the license for the older one.

But yes, same rule would apply. But would still wish to comply with the arrangement with the vendor regardless, as to when I purchased the software. In purchasing it would have been one of the stipulations apparently.

Thanks.

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Wishing You Good Light.