Capture 1 Pro V11 is out

[tokumeino]

You perhaps should consider COP alone given your needs. COP'DAM, while poor, could be OK functionally wyse. Just test before for performance (COP11) was unuseable with 40.000+ photos, and check several long term basic missing things (see another post of mine for examples)

Interoperation with DXO is flawless and it is very efficient (look for instance at the versioning system which is really neat, automatically agregating picture versions even in different folders and on different volumes, with metadata propagation so you can continue keywording after export).

Not sure what exactly you mean with picture versions. To me they are different (PIE) adjustment versions and thus need to be a feature of the PIE.

It's about different actual files. Think of RAW+JPEGS (different files corresponding to different usages/publications of the same shot) but generalized across folders and even volumes (incl FTP or WebDav) and with customizable filename patterns. And with propagation of metadata (like stars and keywords) across versions.

 

[mujana]

I'm with others about the mediocre DAM or non-existing tools like photo-merge, but I was not aware of the imense creative power from v11 until I used it. The new layer-system which replaced the local adjustement tool is defiinitely not only a renaming. The combination of all the new features makes it big:

all tools are adjustable to 16 layers and the background + feather layer-mask + refine layer-mask + opacity for layers + style presets for layers + new color algorithms + higher performance (+ all the already available functions around the local adjustements)

This sounds like a small upgrade but after a month in use (I applied for the beta test) it feels rather like a complete new processing experience. Of course if you switch everytime to PS/Afinity/... there is no need to use this. But most try to avoid that additional step I think.

 

[Dale Garman]

so it sounds like catalog size limits are essentially the same as the prior version then if it was unusable after 40k. That probably means it was very limited long before that.

 

[sebbe]

I'm with others about the mediocre DAM or non-existing tools like photo-merge, but I was not aware of the imense creative power from v11 until I used it. The new layer-system which replaced the local adjustement tool is defiinitely not only a renaming. The combination of all the new features makes it big:

all tools are adjustable to 16 layers and the background + feather layer-mask + refine layer-mask + opacity for layers + style presets for layers + new color algorithms + higher performance (+ all the already available functions around the local adjustements)

This sounds like a small upgrade but after a month in use (I applied for the beta test) it feels rather like a complete new processing experience. Of course if you switch everytime to PS/Afinity/... there is no need to use this. But most try to avoid that additional step I think.

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Nice to read this sebbe. I have bought Affinity Photo just recently. Still looking for a Lightroom replacement (the raw converter part). It will either be C1 or DXO. Going from there into Affinity Photo will only be every now and then (certainly not with all files). Nice to read that you like the layer system so much.

C1 is in use on my computer since v8 and I often had issues. But they do a lot of right and the v11 is another step in the right direction without slowing down the whole software. Just be aware, that you still cannot create louminosity masks in C1 for the layers. But masks out of the color selection combined with the new refine mask tool is very handy.

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[noirdesir]

You perhaps should consider COP alone given your needs. COP'DAM, while poor, could be OK functionally wyse. Just test before for performance (COP11) was unuseable with 40.000+ photos, and check several long term basic missing things (see another post of mine for examples)

I am in the process of moving to COP and while part of my issues with it are due to my lack of knowledge in regard to it, some are real.

Combining primary with secondary organisation

Groups vs Projects (limited search range options)

Interoperation with DXO is flawless and it is very efficient (look for instance at the versioning system which is really neat, automatically agregating picture versions even in different folders and on different volumes, with metadata propagation so you can continue keywording after export).

Not sure what exactly you mean with picture versions. To me they are different (PIE) adjustment versions and thus need to be a feature of the PIE.

It's about different actual files. Think of RAW+JPEGS (different files corresponding to different usages/publications of the same shot) but generalized across folders and even volumes (incl FTP or WebDav) and with customizable filename patterns. And with propagation of metadata (like stars and keywords) across versions.

Aperture had solved the RAW+JPEG problem more than a decade ago. When importing such a pair, it would be treated as a single image and any metadata changes, file renaming, or filing/moving around would automatically apply to both. By default, all adjustments would either be based on the JPEG or the RAW (depending on a preference setting), but you could always switch between the RAW and the JPEG for any image at any time (as well as create multiple version based on either file).

The whole PIE concept is built on the premise that there never are multiple files to deal with, only the original image file and metadata 'blobs' containing image adjustment and metadata information.

 

[Paul_S57]

I'm with others about the mediocre DAM or non-existing tools like photo-merge, but I was not aware of the imense creative power from v11 until I used it. The new layer-system which replaced the local adjustement tool is defiinitely not only a renaming. The combination of all the new features makes it big:

all tools are adjustable to 16 layers and the background + feather layer-mask + refine layer-mask + opacity for layers + style presets for layers + new color algorithms + higher performance (+ all the already available functions around the local adjustements)

This sounds like a small upgrade but after a month in use (I applied for the beta test) it feels rather like a complete new processing experience. Of course if you switch everytime to PS/Afinity/... there is no need to use this. But most try to avoid that additional step I think.

 

[mujana]

I'm with others about the mediocre DAM or non-existing tools like photo-merge, but I was not aware of the imense creative power from v11 until I used it. The new layer-system which replaced the local adjustement tool is defiinitely not only a renaming. The combination of all the new features makes it big:

all tools are adjustable to 16 layers and the background + feather layer-mask + refine layer-mask + opacity for layers + style presets for layers + new color algorithms + higher performance (+ all the already available functions around the local adjustements)

This sounds like a small upgrade but after a month in use (I applied for the beta test) it feels rather like a complete new processing experience. Of course if you switch everytime to PS/Afinity/... there is no need to use this. But most try to avoid that additional step I think.

 

[AdCr]

After using C1 11 for a while (I was in beta), I have to say that added features greatly improve my workflow.

There are only 2 things that I don't like about C1 in general. First one is DAM aspect and the second one is poor noise reduction.

DAM aspect doesn't really bother me as much because I will continue to use LR as DAM. I have lot of photos retouched in LR and I will not spend time doing them again in C1. The other thing is that I need PS anyway and at the moment there's nothing that could replace it for me so I still have to pay Adobe.

Poor noise reduction is actually quite annoying and unfortunately they haven't done anything about it in new version. For low to medium ISO photos, C1 conversion and editing options are simply amazing - nothing I tried comes close. For high ISO images I use LR. I used DXO for a while because of the amazing noise reduction, I really tried to love the software and convince myself that it's good but sadly apart from aforementioned NR it doesn't work for me. My retouch is quite often more precise and detailed and for that C1 is the king and LR comes second. Although as it was already mentioned in this thread, I think DXO would work pretty well for auto-adjustments and quick fixes - if that's what you need it might be software for you. There's also ON1 but when I tried it, it was advertised as eighth wonder of the world when in reality it was utter garbage. While C1, LR and DXO have their strengths - ON1 had only weaknesses. I bet it has improved after a year but I very much doubt it can be competition to those three. Well, maybe when it comes to price but that's about it.

New features in C1 11 are great.

I love the way layers were redone - much more intuitive and a lot faster work when tools work on the layer currently selected - instead of separate panel and tools for layers in C1 10.

Opacity slider was very much needed and it's there now.

The ability to apply presets to layers, this is big improvement. It allows you to create preset not for the whole image but for certain areas you regularly retouch, for example faces. You mask the face, apply preset and all you do is to tweak the sliders a bit. LR can do that as well and I very much wanted that in C1.

Feather mask - that thing solves for me another issue I had with C1 which is lack of radial mask (LR obviously has it). While the radial mask is still not implemented - now it's not really needed. All that you do is draw the mask around the subject, press hotkey for fill mask and press hotkey for feather mask. That gives you feathering of a radial mask but it's better because the shape is more precise than a circle/ellipse. It's quick and easy, you could sort of do it in C1 10 combining brush size and feathering but it was very awkward, time consuming and not very precise.

Refine mask - extremely helpful in more difficult masking tasks.

There's also annotations which are sometimes useful to me but probably won't be for hobbyist doing simple retouch for each picture. Improvement in round tripping to PS is very much welcome as it's the software many people use for things you just can't do in RAW converter.

So, all in all - changes in version 11 may not seem huge on a paper but they are quite powerful in real use scenarios.

 

[BigBadWolfie]

I am considering switching from LR6. If say I buy C1 11 and then less than 30 days before C1 14 comes out and I upgrade to C1 13, do I get a free upgrade to 14 when it comes out?

 

[tokumeino]

I am considering switching from LR6. If say I buy C1 11 and then less than 30 days before C1 14 comes out and I upgrade to C1 13, do I get a free upgrade to 14 when it comes out?

Nobody can tell since it will 3 years ahead, and PO's charging policy will probably change in the mean time. But according to the current policy, what you want should be possible.

 

[IanYorke]

I am considering switching from LR6. If say I buy C1 11 and then less than 30 days before C1 14 comes out and I upgrade to C1 13, do I get a free upgrade to 14 when it comes out?

I think Phaseone have the typical 2 versions back upgrade policy, so v9 to v11.

Ian

 

[Hosko]

The code worked for a pro upgrade for me last night

 

[irv00]

After using C1 11 for a while (I was in beta), I have to say that added features greatly improve my workflow.

There are only 2 things that I don't like about C1 in general. First one is DAM aspect and the second one is poor noise reduction.

DAM aspect doesn't really bother me as much because I will continue to use LR as DAM. I have lot of photos retouched in LR and I will not spend time doing them again in C1. The other thing is that I need PS anyway and at the moment there's nothing that could replace it for me so I still have to pay Adobe.

Poor noise reduction is actually quite annoying and unfortunately they haven't done anything about it in new version. For low to medium ISO photos, C1 conversion and editing options are simply amazing - nothing I tried comes close. For high ISO images I use LR. I used DXO for a while because of the amazing noise reduction, I really tried to love the software and convince myself that it's good but sadly apart from aforementioned NR it doesn't work for me. My retouch is quite often more precise and detailed and for that C1 is the king and LR comes second. Although as it was already mentioned in this thread, I think DXO would work pretty well for auto-adjustments and quick fixes - if that's what you need it might be software for you. There's also ON1 but when I tried it, it was advertised as eighth wonder of the world when in reality it was utter garbage. While C1, LR and DXO have their strengths - ON1 had only weaknesses. I bet it has improved after a year but I very much doubt it can be competition to those three. Well, maybe when it comes to price but that's about it.

New features in C1 11 are great.

I love the way layers were redone - much more intuitive and a lot faster work when tools work on the layer currently selected - instead of separate panel and tools for layers in C1 10.

Opacity slider was very much needed and it's there now.

The ability to apply presets to layers, this is big improvement. It allows you to create preset not for the whole image but for certain areas you regularly retouch, for example faces. You mask the face, apply preset and all you do is to tweak the sliders a bit. LR can do that as well and I very much wanted that in C1.

Feather mask - that thing solves for me another issue I had with C1 which is lack of radial mask (LR obviously has it). While the radial mask is still not implemented - now it's not really needed. All that you do is draw the mask around the subject, press hotkey for fill mask and press hotkey for feather mask. That gives you feathering of a radial mask but it's better because the shape is more precise than a circle/ellipse. It's quick and easy, you could sort of do it in C1 10 combining brush size and feathering but it was very awkward, time consuming and not very precise.

Refine mask - extremely helpful in more difficult masking tasks.

There's also annotations which are sometimes useful to me but probably won't be for hobbyist doing simple retouch for each picture. Improvement in round tripping to PS is very much welcome as it's the software many people use for things you just can't do in RAW converter.

So, all in all - changes in version 11 may not seem huge on a paper but they are quite powerful in real use scenarios.

I agree100%.

 

[Paul_S57]

The code worked for a pro upgrade for me last night

Thanks for letting us know, Hosko. It seems that it works for CO Pro 10 > 11 upgrades.

Users that do a CO Pro 9 > 11 upgrade might have a change that the code is not accepted yet. Phase One is working on it.

 

[leerob]

I read that C1 doesn't apply any presets on loading image. How does it do lens distortion correction and perspective correction?

Thank you!

 

[Paul_S57]

I read that C1 doesn't apply any presets on loading image. How does it do lens distortion correction and perspective correction?

Thank you!

First, CO can apply one or more presets on import. This is a feature since early versions.

Lens correction is applied automatically if the lens is detected via EXIF data and when the lens characteristics are in its database. You can disable the automatic correction.

Perspective correction (Keystone) is done manually.

 

[Jefftan]

"Poor noise reduction is actually quite annoying and unfortunately they haven't done anything about it in new version. For low to medium ISO photos, C1 conversion and editing options are simply amazing - nothing I tried comes close. For high ISO images I use LR"

C1 NR is bad? I am surprised. Of course it is not as good as DXO PRIME but bad?

I think it at least equal DXO HQ NR option

and LR NR better than C1? I don't know as I never use LR

To me C1 NR do a decent job. The only NR that I know is really bad is Silkypix. Amazing how bad it can be (maybe I don't know how to use the program but that is what I find)

 

[MacUser2]

Paul,

I am a great fan of your tutorials and have used them to make myself a C1 hand book, that I use to remind me where everything is hidden. The C1 guys seem to delight in "stealthing" their sliders. I found that using C1 was not hard, the real problem was knowing where to look for the "slider". If it weren't for your tutorials I would be cursing my decision to spend all that money in oder to come-over from the "dark side".

The only remaining migration problem that is driving me up a wall, is setting up a catalog system that resembles my old catalog format from LR.



Is there any chance that you could create a "cook book" the provides detailed instructions on how the get a C1 catalog to look like this?

I am aiming to set up an annual catalogs, eg, 2012 and then have a folder for each "shoot" within the year that resemble the picture above. I know how to brute force it but I would like to be able to have it happen automatically every time a download a CF card from the camera.

 

[mujana]

"Poor noise reduction is actually quite annoying and unfortunately they haven't done anything about it in new version. For low to medium ISO photos, C1 conversion and editing options are simply amazing - nothing I tried comes close. For high ISO images I use LR"

C1 NR is bad? I am surprised. Of course it is not as good as DXO PRIME but bad?

I think it at least equal DXO HQ NR option

and LR NR better than C1? I don't know as I never use LR

To me C1 NR do a decent job. The only NR that I know is really bad is Silkypix. Amazing how bad it can be (maybe I don't know how to use the program but that is what I find)

Same here! Surprised about this statement about NR in C1. I already thought of using NR in Affinity Photo if that is true (not sure how that compares to C1 though). I didn't know NR is bad in C1. Maybe others can also comment on this subject?

 

[irv00]

Quite happy with COP 11 - very sensible improvements/additions (layer transparency is a big deal in my workflow), in spite of a couple of minor bugs. Coupled with Photoshop, there is virtually no need for anything else.