Thank god the E-M1 MKII is that cheap

[DonParrot]

Hold on. Wait.

We do not know yet how good its autofocus system actually is.

They are advertising incredible specs — what was it, 18 fps with continuous autofocus? But as with every new camera release, I'm sure this comes with a giant "but" — in this case, it's probably the burst rate with the electronic shutter, that's prone to the notorious "jello effect."

Hm, with both the E-M5 MKI and the E-M-1 MKI the C-AF was better than what we could expect. No overoptmistic promises or marketing videos like the ones we are used to be provided with by Sony and no misleading videos on 4K photography as the ones of Panny that made you believe that you now could shoot a fishing Kingfisher just like that. So, I'm confident that the MKII also will surpass my expectations.

And if you take a look at Robin Wong's burst of the Macaw you can see that the rolling shutter effect is virtually neglectable even when panning.

The big Canon and Nikon flagships are proven workhorses. Their autofocus systems are still unmatched by any mirrorless camera, at least for certain subjects and circumstances.

Let's wait and see.

The battery life they provide is still at least double or triple of what we get with our mirrorless cameras.

So what. 10 batteries still will be clearly lighter than obe of the FF flagships.

There is great progress being made by Olympus and the other major players, but no one can justifiably make the claim that the E-M1 Mark II has everything the D5 / 1D-X II have but with a smaller sensor. At least not yet, when we've just learned how much it costs, and reviewers have only had a chance to play with it for barely a day.

Well, neither the 1Dx MKII nor the D5 have got world-class IBIS, Hi Res mode, on-board focus stacking, live composite, a proper sensor-cleaning system and more. So, the E-M1 MKII has got clearly more to go for than the flagships of the big two.

 

[Okapi001]

I have a feeling it'll be another case of waiting on the batteries to be available. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems likely when you think of a new battery coming out for only one camera at the moment.

I have reluctantly pre-ordered an original spare battery with the camera, for 75 euros. Crazy expensive, but so it goes.

And I hope some clever Chinese will eventually make an adapter to fit the old batteries into the new camera (so that I will be able to use the same batteries and charger for the Pen F and the M1.2).

 

[DonParrot]

Hold on. Wait.

We do not know yet how good its autofocus system actually is.

They are advertising incredible specs — what was it, 18 fps with continuous autofocus? But as with every new camera release, I'm sure this comes with a giant "but" — in this case, it's probably the burst rate with the electronic shutter, that's prone to the notorious "jello effect."

The big Canon and Nikon flagships are proven workhorses. Their autofocus systems are still unmatched by any mirrorless camera, at least for certain subjects and circumstances.

The E-M1 Mark II supports dual/sync IS for hand-held telephoto shooting.

The E-M1 Mark II has HiRes Shot mode 80MP Raw/50 &25 MP jpegs.

Both features matched by NOBODY at ANY price (including the Pentax K-1).

Further, the E-M1 MK II is much closer to the D5, 1DXII, D500, 7D II in autofocus performance speed and accuracy than any of the aforementioned are to Olympus features such as High Res shot and Dual/Sync IS.

So even if you rate E-M1 II AF capability at 80% of the aforementioned Top Gun DSLRs.

The same Top Gun DSLRS rate at 0% of the aforementioned Olympus "gimmick features". Not to mention hand-held run 'n' gun video capture among other "gimmick" features.

Well, those "gimmick" features are useful to some of us and we are more than willing to pay for them.

The battery life they provide is still at least double or triple of what we get with our mirrorless cameras.

They don't when you use "gimmicky" Liveview or video capture ...apples to apples...there is no free lunch.

There is great progress being made by Olympus and the other major players, but no one can justifiably make the claim that the E-M1 Mark II has everything the D5 / 1D-X II have but with a smaller sensor.

See above.

Please list the things they can do that the E-M1 II can't. You can argue they are a little better(IQ), a little faster (fps), have a little more (buffer) but that's about it.

I have already done it from the E-M1 II perspective...your turn.

And not to forget: the E-M1 MKII has got clearly more cross sensors than the other two.

At least not yet, when we've just learned how much it costs, and reviewers have only had a chance to play with it for barely a day.

Cheers.

 

[DonParrot]

Well, after having checked the prices and the feature set of the CaNikon flagships 1Dx MKII and D5 I only can say: the E-M1 MKII is a super special offer. It comes with far more features and cross sensors than both its competitors and nonetheless, the CaNikon cameras are sold for massively higher prices without the CaNikon users ever having compülained about the pricing of their fagship cameras.

I'm really happy to be a member of the Oly camp that offers me an extremely, extremely fine flagship cameras with all the bells and whistles for just a third of what I had to pay for the 1Dx MKII or the D5.

 

[Okapi001]

The E-M1 Mark II supports dual/sync IS for hand-held telephoto shooting.

The E-M1 Mark II has HiRes Shot mode 80MP Raw/50 &25 MP jpegs.

Both features matched by NOBODY at ANY price (including the Pentax K-1).

And there is more. Focus stacking, great for macro. And Pro Capture, a 14 frames "time machine", great for those once in a lifetime situations where humans reactions are just too slow to capture the right momemt.

Too bad the Olympus didn't copy the star trailing feature of the Pentax K-1. Would be great for the astro photography. And too bad they didn't install the GPS and compass. Well, nobody's perfect, I guess

 

[453C]

Hey Don, since you're in the neighborhood, we have a new puppy to chase with the camera. No handy dog track so his path is a little...unpredictable.

E-M1+12-40

E-M1+40-150

Cheers,

Rick

Nice shots (and dog), Rick. Too bad you hacked the EXIF.

Everyone knows the E-M1 MkI can't focus like that. Inconceivable!

 

[DonParrot]

Well, after having checked the prices and the feature set of the CaNikon flagships 1Dx MKII and D5 I only can say: the E-M1 MKII is a super special offer.

I get what you're saying, and totally support your thinking here but the crazy thing is that you don't even have to go to the 1Dx or Dx lines to make this point. Simply look at the top-end of Canon and Nikon's prosumer lineup - the 5D Mark IV is $3,500 and the D810 listed for $2,999 when it came out. Yes, they're both FF but functionally you can argue the E-M1 Mark II has a better featureset all the way around. Even amateurs are clearly comfortable buying a camera at this price point or higher, so this is really much ado about nothing.

I understand what you are saying, Sam, and I have to agree on the one hand. People buy the aforementioned cameras just like that. On the other, however, I wanted to point out how much the CaNikon users have to pay for their flagship cams and that they do so without complaining or don't without complaining. But in the end it's like you said: You point just adds to mine - or vice versa.

 

[mg_k]

Might be true....if you need the specs (sports/ fast shooting capabilities/etc.). I do not shoot fast moving subjects. I do not shoot in extreme weather conditions anymore. I DO care for optimum IQ, shooting portraits mostly (and occasionaly indoors/architecture/museums,etc). If I could do handheld high res shooting with this new Olympus, then this would be another story, but at the moment I wonder how much of an IQ improvement I get with the E-M2. For a more sensible price I would definitely stay (I still find the IBIS wonderfull). At the moment....I'm not sure. I might go to fuji or sigma.

Of course it depends. If you don't need it you don't need it. But in this case, there are PEN F, E-M5 MKII, EM-M10 MKII, E-PL8 and nuemerous Pannies available.

None of those have IQ improvement that mujana is talking about.

The E-M1 MKII, however, is a true flagship featuring absolutely everything technically avaialable at this point in time. Clearly more than the CaNikon flagships and nonetheless it comes for about a third of what you have to pay for its competitors.

1DXII is a direct competitor of D5 because both have the same sensor size.

 

[mg_k]

Well, after having checked the prices and the feature set of the CaNikon flagships 1Dx MKII and D5 I only can say: the E-M1 MKII is a super special offer. It comes with far more features and cross sensors than both its competitors and nonetheless, the CaNikon cameras are sold for massively higher prices without the CaNikon users ever having compülained about the pricing of their fagship cameras.

I'm really happy to be a member of the Oly camp that offers me an extremely, extremely fine flagship cameras with all the bells and whistles for just a third of what I had to pay for the 1Dx MKII or the D5.

And you are ignoring the fact that the most expensive component inside a camera is a sensor, and the sensor on CaNikon 1Dx is not twice, nor thrice, but FOUR times bigger. right?

And.....a dump truck is 4 or 5 times the size of a pickup truck. But if you don't need a big load of manure it doesn't come in to play when selecting a vehicle.

That's all cool.

(This is more directed to OP) So why compare the dump truck and a pickup truck in the first place? Since they are clearly different suited for totally different audiences?

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[DonParrot]

Might be true....if you need the specs (sports/ fast shooting capabilities/etc.). I do not shoot fast moving subjects. I do not shoot in extreme weather conditions anymore. I DO care for optimum IQ, shooting portraits mostly (and occasionaly indoors/architecture/museums,etc). If I could do handheld high res shooting with this new Olympus, then this would be another story, but at the moment I wonder how much of an IQ improvement I get with the E-M2. For a more sensible price I would definitely stay (I still find the IBIS wonderfull). At the moment....I'm not sure. I might go to fuji or sigma.

Of course it depends. If you don't need it you don't need it. But in this case, there are PEN F, E-M5 MKII, EM-M10 MKII, E-PL8 and nuemerous Pannies available.

None of those have IQ improvement that mujana is talking about.

The E-M1 MKII, however, is a true flagship featuring absolutely everything technically avaialable at this point in time. Clearly more than the CaNikon flagships and nonetheless it comes for about a third of what you have to pay for its competitors.

1DXII is a direct competitor of D5 because both have the same sensor size.

Well, I wasn't aware that sensor size is the crucial factor when it comes to comparing cameras. I always though it's about if a camera allows you to shoot this special picture or doesn't.

 

[DonParrot]

Well, after having checked the prices and the feature set of the CaNikon flagships 1Dx MKII and D5 I only can say: the E-M1 MKII is a super special offer. It comes with far more features and cross sensors than both its competitors and nonetheless, the CaNikon cameras are sold for massively higher prices without the CaNikon users ever having compülained about the pricing of their fagship cameras.

I'm really happy to be a member of the Oly camp that offers me an extremely, extremely fine flagship cameras with all the bells and whistles for just a third of what I had to pay for the 1Dx MKII or the D5.

And you are ignoring the fact that the most expensive component inside a camera is a sensor, and the sensor on CaNikon 1Dx is not twice, nor thrice, but FOUR times bigger. right?

And.....a dump truck is 4 or 5 times the size of a pickup truck. But if you don't need a big load of manure it doesn't come in to play when selecting a vehicle.

That's all cool.

(This is more directed to OP) So why compare the dump truck and a pickup truck in the first place? Since they are clearly different suited for totally different audiences?

Could you please explain me the audience differences?

I could add several nasty remarks here but I opted for doing without them.

 

[Great Bustard]

Well, after having checked the prices and the feature set of the CaNikon flagships 1Dx MKII and D5 I only can say: the E-M1 MKII is a super special offer. It comes with far more features and cross sensors than both its competitors and nonetheless, the CaNikon cameras are sold for massively higher prices without the CaNikon users ever having compülained about the pricing of their fagship cameras.

I'm really happy to be a member of the Oly camp that offers me an extremely, extremely fine flagship cameras with all the bells and whistles for just a third of what I had to pay for the 1Dx MKII or the D5.

That means you'll see lots of Canon and Nikon shooters who would have otherwise purchased a 1DsII, 5D4, D5, and/or D500 coming to Olympus. Unless they're just plain stupid, of course, but I assume we'll take that as a given, right?

 

[Wu Jiaqiu]

The E-M1 Mark II supports dual/sync IS for hand-held telephoto shooting.

The E-M1 Mark II has HiRes Shot mode 80MP Raw/50 &25 MP jpegs.

Both features matched by NOBODY at ANY price (including the Pentax K-1).

And there is more. Focus stacking, great for macro. And Pro Capture, a 14 frames "time machine", great for those once in a lifetime situations where humans reactions are just too slow to capture the right momemt.

"pro capture" is nothing new though

Too bad the Olympus didn't copy the star trailing feature of the Pentax K-1. Would be great for the astro photography. And too bad they didn't install the GPS and compass. Well, nobody's perfect, I guess

 

[DonParrot]

Hey Don, since you're in the neighborhood, we have a new puppy to chase with the camera. No handy dog track so his path is a little...unpredictable.

Yeah, it always depends on the point of view, doesn't it? For a Klingon I definitely am staying in your neighborhood. :-D

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[Okapi001]

"pro capture" is nothing new though

It is, for this kind of a camera and resolution.

 

[Wu Jiaqiu]

"pro capture" is nothing new though

It is, for this kind of a camera and resolution.

for m4/3rds it is yes.....

 

[Okapi001]

"pro capture" is nothing new though

It is, for this kind of a camera and resolution.

for m4/3rds it is yes.....

Which APS-C or FF has it also?

 

[Wu Jiaqiu]

"pro capture" is nothing new though

It is, for this kind of a camera and resolution.

for m4/3rds it is yes.....

Which APS-C or FF has it also?

neither to my knowledge

 

[DonParrot]

Well, after having checked the prices and the feature set of the CaNikon flagships 1Dx MKII and D5 I only can say: the E-M1 MKII is a super special offer. It comes with far more features and cross sensors than both its competitors and nonetheless, the CaNikon cameras are sold for massively higher prices without the CaNikon users ever having compülained about the pricing of their fagship cameras.

I'm really happy to be a member of the Oly camp that offers me an extremely, extremely fine flagship cameras with all the bells and whistles for just a third of what I had to pay for the 1Dx MKII or the D5.

That means you'll see lots of Canon and Nikon shooters who would have otherwise purchased a 1DsII, 5D4, D5, and/or D500 coming to Olympus. Unless they're just plain stupid, of course, but I assume we'll take that as a given, right?

Nope. they got systems and certainly won't switch without the need to do so. After all, they all git thei lenses and probably favour their systems as we favour ours.


I just wanted to point out that Oly finally are where they always wanted to be since the launch of the E-1 in 2003. It's a competitive fully fledged system and nobody has to defensively say: "Oh, I only have got an µFT system."

But yes, should somebody be interested in getting rid of the weight they should know that there is a smaller system that can meet all their needs apart from a two-step High-ISO noise disadvantage and maximum isolation.

 

[hanoman]

Like you - I'm delighted with the new offering and that delight is just enhanced by all those withdrawing from the market place, giving us the option to get our mk2s earlier

Yes indeed!