Thank god the E-M1 MKII is that cheap

[DonParrot]

Well, after having checked the prices and the feature set of the CaNikon flagships 1Dx MKII and D5 I only can say: the E-M1 MKII is a super special offer. It comes with far more features and cross sensors than both its competitors and nonetheless, the CaNikon cameras are sold for massively higher prices without the CaNikon users ever having compülained about the pricing of their fagship cameras.

I'm really happy to be a member of the Oly camp that offers me an extremely, extremely fine flagship cameras with all the bells and whistles for just a third of what I had to pay for the 1Dx MKII or the D5.

 

[slartz]

Well, after having checked the prices and the feature set of the CaNikon flagships 1Dx MKII and D5 I only can say: the E-M1 MKII is a super special offer. It comes with far more features and cross sensors than both its competitors and nonetheless, the CaNikon cameras are sold for massively higher prices without the CaNikon users ever having compülained about the pricing of their fagship cameras.

I'm really happy to be a member of the Oly camp that offers me an extremely, extremely fine flagship cameras with all the bells and whistles for just a third of what I had to pay for the 1Dx MKII or the D5.

And you are ignoring the fact that the most expensive component inside a camera is a sensor, and the sensor on CaNikon 1Dx is not twice, nor thrice, but FOUR times bigger. right?

 

[mujana]

Might be true....if you need the specs (sports/ fast shooting capabilities/etc.). I do not shoot fast moving subjects. I do not shoot in extreme weather conditions anymore. I DO care for optimum IQ, shooting portraits mostly (and occasionaly indoors/architecture/museums,etc). If I could do handheld high res shooting with this new Olympus, then this would be another story, but at the moment I wonder how much of an IQ improvement I get with the E-M2. For a more sensible price I would definitely stay (I still find the IBIS wonderfull). At the moment....I'm not sure. I might go to fuji or sigma.

 

[DonParrot]

Well, after having checked the prices and the feature set of the CaNikon flagships 1Dx MKII and D5 I only can say: the E-M1 MKII is a super special offer. It comes with far more features and cross sensors than both its competitors and nonetheless, the CaNikon cameras are sold for massively higher prices without the CaNikon users ever having compülained about the pricing of their fagship cameras.

I'm really happy to be a member of the Oly camp that offers me an extremely, extremely fine flagship cameras with all the bells and whistles for just a third of what I had to pay for the 1Dx MKII or the D5.

And you are ignoring the fact that the most expensive component inside a camera is a sensor, and the sensor on CaNikon 1Dx is not twice, nor thrice, but FOUR times bigger. right?

Well, first of all both manufacturers offer clearly cheaper FF cameras - so that can't be the reason for the massivly higher prices.

And apart from the FF sensor - that isn't regarded as advantage by everybody - they are both outperformed by the E-M1 MKII. So where please is the reason for the exorbitant prices of 1Dx MKII and D5.

If it delivers, small is far more beutiful than big. And it seems as if the E-M1 MKII delivers to the max. Yep, there are these two steps better high ISO performace, but would I want to pay €3,000 or 4.000? Most! Definitely! Not!

And even more so as both cameras lack numerous features such as proper sensor cleaning system, a fantastic IBIS, live compromise, High Res and far more.

By the way: Mercedes equips big SUVsd with 1.4-litre turbo engines, today. Without selling them at low prices.

 

[DonParrot]

Might be true....if you need the specs (sports/ fast shooting capabilities/etc.). I do not shoot fast moving subjects. I do not shoot in extreme weather conditions anymore. I DO care for optimum IQ, shooting portraits mostly (and occasionaly indoors/architecture/museums,etc). If I could do handheld high res shooting with this new Olympus, then this would be another story, but at the moment I wonder how much of an IQ improvement I get with the E-M2. For a more sensible price I would definitely stay (I still find the IBIS wonderfull). At the moment....I'm not sure. I might go to fuji or sigma.

Of course it depends. If you don't need it you don't need it. But in this case, there are PEN F, E-M5 MKII, EM-M10 MKII, E-PL8 and nuemerous Pannies available.

The E-M1 MKII, however, is a true flagship featuring absolutely everything technically avaialable at this point in time. Clearly more than the CaNikon flagships and nonetheless it comes for about a third of what you have to pay for its competitors.

 

[Brian Wadie]

Well, after having checked the prices and the feature set of the CaNikon flagships 1Dx MKII and D5 I only can say: the E-M1 MKII is a super special offer. It comes with far more features and cross sensors than both its competitors and nonetheless, the CaNikon cameras are sold for massively higher prices without the CaNikon users ever having compülained about the pricing of their fagship cameras.

I'm really happy to be a member of the Oly camp that offers me an extremely, extremely fine flagship cameras with all the bells and whistles for just a third of what I had to pay for the 1Dx MKII or the D5.

And you are ignoring the fact that the most expensive component inside a camera is a sensor, and the sensor on CaNikon 1Dx is not twice, nor thrice, but FOUR times bigger. right?

Well, first of all both manufacturers offer clearly cheaper FF cameras - so that can't be the reason for the massivly higher prices.

And apart from the FF sensor - that isn't regarded as advantage by everybody - they are both outperformed by the E-M1 MKII. So where please is the reason for the exorbitant prices of 1Dx MKII and D5.

If it delivers, small is far more beutiful than big. And it seems as if the E-M1 MKII delivers to the max. Yep, there are these two steps better high ISO performace, but would I want to pay €3,000 or 4.000? Most! Definitely! Not!

And even more so as both cameras lack numerous features such as proper sensor cleaning system, a fantastic IBIS, live compromise, High Res and far more.

By the way: Mercedes equips big SUVsd with 1.4-litre turbo engines, today. Without selling them at low prices.

 

[Skeeterbytes]

I don't think of it as $600 more than the E-M1 so much as $300 more than the E-5. ;-)

Guesses as to how long before 3rd party batteries are available? It's a factor on when I may make the leap.

Cheers,

Rick

 

[DonParrot]

Well, after having checked the prices and the feature set of the CaNikon flagships 1Dx MKII and D5 I only can say: the E-M1 MKII is a super special offer. It comes with far more features and cross sensors than both its competitors and nonetheless, the CaNikon cameras are sold for massively higher prices without the CaNikon users ever having compülained about the pricing of their fagship cameras.

I'm really happy to be a member of the Oly camp that offers me an extremely, extremely fine flagship cameras with all the bells and whistles for just a third of what I had to pay for the 1Dx MKII or the D5.

And you are ignoring the fact that the most expensive component inside a camera is a sensor, and the sensor on CaNikon 1Dx is not twice, nor thrice, but FOUR times bigger. right?

Well, first of all both manufacturers offer clearly cheaper FF cameras - so that can't be the reason for the massivly higher prices.

And apart from the FF sensor - that isn't regarded as advantage by everybody - they are both outperformed by the E-M1 MKII. So where please is the reason for the exorbitant prices of 1Dx MKII and D5.

If it delivers, small is far more beutiful than big. And it seems as if the E-M1 MKII delivers to the max. Yep, there are these two steps better high ISO performace, but would I want to pay €3,000 or 4.000? Most! Definitely! Not!

And even more so as both cameras lack numerous features such as proper sensor cleaning system, a fantastic IBIS, live compromise, High Res and far more.

By the way: Mercedes equips big SUVsd with 1.4-litre turbo engines, today. Without selling them at low prices.

 

[horsth]

Might be true....if you need the specs (sports/ fast shooting capabilities/etc.). I do not shoot fast moving subjects. I do not shoot in extreme weather conditions anymore. I DO care for optimum IQ, shooting portraits mostly (and occasionaly indoors/architecture/museums,etc). If I could do handheld high res shooting with this new Olympus, then this would be another story, but at the moment I wonder how much of an IQ improvement I get with the E-M2. For a more sensible price I would definitely stay (I still find the IBIS wonderfull). At the moment....I'm not sure. I might go to fuji or sigma.

Of course it depends. If you don't need it you don't need it. But in this case, there are PEN F, E-M5 MKII, EM-M10 MKII, E-PL8 and nuemerous Pannies available.

Don't forget the (old) E-M1, it's still a top notch camera since fw 4.1 !

The E-M1 MKII, however, is a true flagship featuring absolutely everything technically avaialable at this point in time. Clearly more than the CaNikon flagships and nonetheless it comes for about a third of what you have to pay for its competitors.

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I wish I was an OLYgarch

 

[DonParrot]

Might be true....if you need the specs (sports/ fast shooting capabilities/etc.). I do not shoot fast moving subjects. I do not shoot in extreme weather conditions anymore. I DO care for optimum IQ, shooting portraits mostly (and occasionaly indoors/architecture/museums,etc). If I could do handheld high res shooting with this new Olympus, then this would be another story, but at the moment I wonder how much of an IQ improvement I get with the E-M2. For a more sensible price I would definitely stay (I still find the IBIS wonderfull). At the moment....I'm not sure. I might go to fuji or sigma.

Of course it depends. If you don't need it you don't need it. But in this case, there are PEN F, E-M5 MKII, EM-M10 MKII, E-PL8 and nuemerous Pannies available.

Don't forget the (old) E-M1, it's still a top notch camera since fw 4.1 !

Correct.

The E-M1 MKII, however, is a true flagship featuring absolutely everything technically avaialable at this point in time. Clearly more than the CaNikon flagships and nonetheless it comes for about a third of what you have to pay for its competitors.

 

[DonParrot]

I don't think of it as $600 more than the E-M1 so much as $300 more than the E-5. ;-)

That's exactly my point of view.

Guesses as to how long before 3rd party batteries are available? It's a factor on when I may make the leap.

Unfortunately haven't got the slightest idea. That's the biggest problem when a new battery is introduced.

 

[Skeeterbytes]

Hey Don, since you're in the neighborhood, we have a new puppy to chase with the camera. No handy dog track so his path is a little...unpredictable.

E-M1+12-40

E-M1+40-150

Cheers,

Rick

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Equivalence and diffraction-free since 2009.
You can be too; ask about our 12-step program.

 

[gary0319]

Well, after having checked the prices and the feature set of the CaNikon flagships 1Dx MKII and D5 I only can say: the E-M1 MKII is a super special offer. It comes with far more features and cross sensors than both its competitors and nonetheless, the CaNikon cameras are sold for massively higher prices without the CaNikon users ever having compülained about the pricing of their fagship cameras.

I'm really happy to be a member of the Oly camp that offers me an extremely, extremely fine flagship cameras with all the bells and whistles for just a third of what I had to pay for the 1Dx MKII or the D5.

And you are ignoring the fact that the most expensive component inside a camera is a sensor, and the sensor on CaNikon 1Dx is not twice, nor thrice, but FOUR times bigger. right?

And.....a dump truck is 4 or 5 times the size of a pickup truck. But if you don't need a big load of manure it doesn't come in to play when selecting a vehicle.

 

[Ido Scharf]

Hold on. Wait.

We do not know yet how good its autofocus system actually is.

They are advertising incredible specs — what was it, 18 fps with continuous autofocus? But as with every new camera release, I'm sure this comes with a giant "but" — in this case, it's probably the burst rate with the electronic shutter, that's prone to the notorious "jello effect."

The big Canon and Nikon flagships are proven workhorses. Their autofocus systems are still unmatched by any mirrorless camera, at least for certain subjects and circumstances. The battery life they provide is still at least double or triple of what we get with our mirrorless cameras. There is great progress being made by Olympus and the other major players, but no one can justifiably make the claim that the E-M1 Mark II has everything the D5 / 1D-X II have but with a smaller sensor. At least not yet, when we've just learned how much it costs, and reviewers have only had a chance to play with it for barely a day.

 

[Wallybipster]

I have a feeling it'll be another case of waiting on the batteries to be available. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems likely when you think of a new battery coming out for only one camera at the moment. Maybe that will mean that demand won't outstrip supply?

itll be maddening if I buy the camera and own it with only 1 battery for awhile.

 

[PlumShots]

Hold on. Wait.

We do not know yet how good its autofocus system actually is.

They are advertising incredible specs — what was it, 18 fps with continuous autofocus? But as with every new camera release, I'm sure this comes with a giant "but" — in this case, it's probably the burst rate with the electronic shutter, that's prone to the notorious "jello effect."

The big Canon and Nikon flagships are proven workhorses. Their autofocus systems are still unmatched by any mirrorless camera, at least for certain subjects and circumstances.

The E-M1 Mark II supports dual/sync IS for hand-held telephoto shooting.

The E-M1 Mark II has HiRes Shot mode 80MP Raw/50 &25 MP jpegs.

Both features matched by NOBODY at ANY price (including the Pentax K-1).

Further, the E-M1 MK II is much closer to the D5, 1DXII, D500, 7D II in autofocus performance speed and accuracy than any of the aforementioned are to Olympus features such as High Res shot and Dual/Sync IS.

So even if you rate E-M1 II AF capability at 80% of the aforementioned Top Gun DSLRs.

The same Top Gun DSLRS rate at 0% of the aforementioned Olympus "gimmick features". Not to mention hand-held run 'n' gun video capture among other "gimmick" features.

Well, those "gimmick" features are useful to some of us and we are more than willing to pay for them.

The battery life they provide is still at least double or triple of what we get with our mirrorless cameras.

They don't when you use "gimmicky" Liveview or video capture ...apples to apples...there is no free lunch.

There is great progress being made by Olympus and the other major players, but no one can justifiably make the claim that the E-M1 Mark II has everything the D5 / 1D-X II have but with a smaller sensor.

See above.

Please list the things they can do that the E-M1 II can't. You can argue they are a little better(IQ), a little faster (fps), have a little more (buffer) but that's about it.

I have already done it from the E-M1 II perspective...your turn.

At least not yet, when we've just learned how much it costs, and reviewers have only had a chance to play with it for barely a day.

Cheers.

 

[Nikonparrothead]

Well, after having checked the prices and the feature set of the CaNikon flagships 1Dx MKII and D5 I only can say: the E-M1 MKII is a super special offer. It comes with far more features and cross sensors than both its competitors and nonetheless, the CaNikon cameras are sold for massively higher prices without the CaNikon users ever having compülained about the pricing of their fagship cameras.

I'm really happy to be a member of the Oly camp that offers me an extremely, extremely fine flagship cameras with all the bells and whistles for just a third of what I had to pay for the 1Dx MKII or the D5.

 

[Sam Bennett]

Well, after having checked the prices and the feature set of the CaNikon flagships 1Dx MKII and D5 I only can say: the E-M1 MKII is a super special offer.

I get what you're saying, and totally support your thinking here but the crazy thing is that you don't even have to go to the 1Dx or Dx lines to make this point. Simply look at the top-end of Canon and Nikon's prosumer lineup - the 5D Mark IV is $3,500 and the D810 listed for $2,999 when it came out. Yes, they're both FF but functionally you can argue the E-M1 Mark II has a better featureset all the way around. Even amateurs are clearly comfortable buying a camera at this price point or higher, so this is really much ado about nothing.

 

[wolfie]

Well, after having checked the prices and the feature set of the CaNikon flagships 1Dx MKII and D5 I only can say: the E-M1 MKII is a super special offer. It comes with far more features and cross sensors than both its competitors and nonetheless, the CaNikon cameras are sold for massively higher prices without the CaNikon users ever having compülained about the pricing of their fagship cameras.

I'm really happy to be a member of the Oly camp that offers me an extremely, extremely fine flagship cameras with all the bells and whistles for just a third of what I had to pay for the 1Dx MKII or the D5.

 

[Tommi K1]

Thank you for keeping both feet on the ground and understanding the context of systems and features this new model possess.

I am actually waiting to see your hands on and experience after couple months you have got yours.