E-1 vs 10D

[YosemiteSam]

OK, let's get ready to r u m b l e!

Well, not really. But as someone who is seriously considering going (partially) digital I've been looking first at a comparison of the specs etc of these two cameras. I'm going to try to sum up how I think they stack up. I do want to preface by saying I've been an OM user for over 30 years. So that could mean I'm biased toward Oly, or it could mean I'm p_ ed off at em for leaving us Zuiko-nuts out in the cold digitally.

1) Lenses - OK, let's get it over with - the Canon has hundreds or so of mountable lenses for the 10D. The E-1 has 5 + a 1.4x and an extension tube. Big advantage Canon, right? Especially if you already own Canon lenses. Especially since they have 'IS' lenses? But, if you're shopping for a 'system' the advantage lessens dramatically. Because the Zuiko Digital lenses, according to specs, are just plain going to give better performance than the existing stock of film lenses. Because: they're designed to work with the sensor; they are 'smart' ie have built-in distortion-correction information to be used by the body or a PC; the MTF charts published look quite good; they're Zuikos. Big advantage to Oly for real wide-angle digital lenses. Overall though, I'd be strung-up if I didn't say Ad - Canon.

2) Body - When I look at the picture of the 10D vs the E-1 on this site, I come away with the feeling that the 10D is going to look and feel like a Rebel. It just looks cheap. Whereas the E-1 just plain looks good. Looks well-built. And from all reviews I've read the build quality is top notch. And it has all those splash proof seals. Gotta love that. Ad - Oly

3) Price - everybody has been talking about how pricey the E-1 is. MSRP right now is $2199. But what was the MSRP of the 10D when it was introduced? Answer - $1999. Difference of $200. Street price of the Canon is now about $1599? I wonder what the street price of the E-1 will be around or after Xmas this year? Ad - Canon, assuming the 10D is an equal camera.

4) Sensor - Interline CMOS at 6.3 MP vs Frame-Transfer CCD at 5.1 MP. Sounds like adv Canon at first thought. But - how much of the Canon sensor is actually 'wasted' due to 'typical' cropping of a 35mm sized slide or neg? And what about losses to vignetting or edge loss-of-sharpness due to lenses designed to work with 35mm film? I won't do any calculations here, but I'd say the effective pixel count is about even. But, according to the specs published by Oly and Kodak, this sensor chip has other advantages over the IL-CMOS in the Canon. EG: better dynamic range, less noice, much faster transfer rate etc. I'm giving an Ad - Oly here based on specs.

5)' Features'
Oly has a dust-cleaning mechanism. Canon No. Ad - Oly
Auto-focus. Canon 7-area, Oly 3. Based on rep alone Ad - Canon
Files: Oly can do TIFF, Canon No. Ad - Oly
Frame rate. Both 3fps, but Oly 12 continuous at any size Ad- Oly
Metering. Similar, xcept E-1 has 1.8 spot. Ad - Oly

Flash: Canon has built-in, E-1 No Ad - Canon
Sync speeds appx same, but E-1 syncs to 1/4000 w/FL-50 Ad - Oly
Shutter: 30-1/4000 for Can, 60-1/4000 for Oly Ad - Oly

6) Other stuff:
Olympus has better viewfinder and interchangeable screens.

Canon's LCD allow 10x zoom on playback to E-1s 4x but E-1 has more playback modes and more pixels.
E-1 has 128MByte buffer built. No spec for the Canon
Oly supports usb 2.0, Canon 1.1 Oly also supports Firewire.
E-1 has more drive modes and a wireless remote.

E-1 is smaller and lighter (660 gr vs 790gr) and with lenses this advantage will be more pronounced in Olympus' favor.

There's lots more but I gotta stop here.

Conclusion, IMHO, the E-1 is more of a professional camera than the 10D. It has more and better features, is smaller and lighter, will, in all probability perform equal to or exceed the 10D in everything from speed of operation to image quality. All IMHO.

 

[padeye99656]

All speculation but that's never stopped us before

1) Lenses -

E-1 loses IMO until it gets some fast primes. Some claim that due to the specs there will never be f1.4 lenses. Lack of direct manual focus control is a deal killer with me. I've been using fly by wire manual focus and don't like it one bit.

2) Body - Ad - Oly

Agreed

3) Price - Ad - Canon,
assuming the 10D is an equal camera.

Anyone's guess but I predict the 10D and Nikon D100 will drop when new models from those manufacturers come out as well as the E-1

4) Sensor - - Oly here based on
specs.

I predict the difference will be slim. In any event the larger APS size sensor and wider available apertures give more potential DOF control for the 10D

5)' Features'
Files: Oly can do TIFF, Canon No.
Ad - Oly

Tiff is a non-issue for me. It's the largest possible format and still has interpolation losses. RAW is smaller but has more information.

Flash: Canon has built-in, E-1 No
Ad - Canon

IMO built in flash is important if you want to make you $2,600 DSLR take pictures that look like they came from mom's Instamatic.

Sync speeds appx same, but E-1 syncs to 1/4000 w/FL-50 Ad - Oly
Shutter: 30-1/4000 for Can, 60-1/4000 for Oly Ad

• Oly

That high speed sync is only with a special microstrobing, low power fill flash mode. Personally I'm spoiled by the ability to sync studio flash at 1/500 and above with a Dimage 7 or leaf shutter film camera.

6) Other stuff:
Olympus has better viewfinder and interchangeable screens.
Canon's LCD allow 10x zoom on playback to E-1s 4x but E-1 has more
playback modes and more pixels.
E-1 has 128MByte buffer built. No spec for the Canon
Oly supports usb 2.0, Canon 1.1 Oly also supports Firewire.
E-1 has more drive modes and a wireless remote.
E-1 is smaller and lighter (660 gr vs 790gr) and with lenses this
advantage will be more pronounced in Olympus' favor.

There's lots more but I gotta stop here.

Conclusion, IMHO, the E-1 is more of a professional camera than the
10D. It has more and better features, is smaller and lighter, will,
in all probability perform equal to or exceed the 10D in everything
from speed of operation to image quality. All IMHO.

 

[Jojosung]

1) Lenses - OK, let's get it over with - the Canon has hundreds or
so of mountable lenses for the 10D. The E-1 has 5 + a 1.4x and an
extension tube. Big advantage Canon, right? Especially if you
already own Canon lenses. Especially since they have 'IS' lenses?
But, if you're shopping for a 'system' the advantage lessens
dramatically. Because the Zuiko Digital lenses, according to specs,
are just plain going to give better performance than the existing
stock of film lenses. Because: they're designed to work with the
sensor; they are 'smart' ie have built-in distortion-correction
information to be used by the body or a PC; the MTF charts
published look quite good; they're Zuikos. Big advantage to Oly for
real wide-angle digital lenses. Overall though, I'd be strung-up
if I didn't say Ad - Canon.

Agreed

2) Body - When I look at the picture of the 10D vs the E-1 on this
site, I come away with the feeling that the 10D is going to look
and feel like a Rebel. It just looks cheap. Whereas the E-1 just
plain looks good. Looks well-built. And from all reviews I've read
the build quality is top notch. And it has all those splash proof
seals. Gotta love that. Ad - Oly

Agreed... Handheld a 10D, and it does look and feel like Rebel.. with the features set of EOS Elan 7/ Eos 30

3) Price - everybody has been talking about how pricey the E-1 is.
MSRP right now is $2199. But what was the MSRP of the 10D when it
was introduced? Answer - $1999. Difference of $200. Street price
of the Canon is now about $1599? I wonder what the street price of
the E-1 will be around or after Xmas this year? Ad - Canon,
assuming the 10D is an equal camera.

MSRP for the body is a moot point... b/c you have to look at lens!!!

4) Sensor - Interline CMOS at 6.3 MP vs Frame-Transfer CCD at 5.1
MP. Sounds like adv Canon at first thought. But - how much of the
Canon sensor is actually 'wasted' due to 'typical' cropping of a
35mm sized slide or neg? And what about losses to vignetting or
edge loss-of-sharpness due to lenses designed to work with 35mm
film? I won't do any calculations here, but I'd say the effective
pixel count is about even. But, according to the specs published
by Oly and Kodak, this sensor chip has other advantages over the
IL-CMOS in the Canon. EG: better dynamic range, less noice, much
faster transfer rate etc. I'm giving an Ad - Oly here based on
specs.

Canon 6.3mp is based on the output size!!!! so 6.3 is the actually output size. Also... Canon output size is the "typical" 35mm size. So you only experience loss, when cropped to fit computer 4:3 format. While Oly output size is 4:3... you will lose some to fit to standard 35mm size. Regardless, this is a big concern... b/c there are no rules that say that the photo has to be 35mm size, or 4:3. Heck, medium format is a suare

5)' Features'
Oly has a dust-cleaning mechanism. Canon No. Ad

• Oly

Agreed

Auto-focus. Canon 7-area, Oly 3. Based on rep alone Ad -
Canon

Moot point, b/c 10D has some focus problem.. and ppl, just use the center focus, which is the most sensitive. As for old timer... they will be used to center focue, focus lock, and recompose

Files: Oly can do TIFF, Canon No.
Ad - Oly

Disagreed, Tiff for 5mb, will be about 20mb, while Canon will do RAW at about 3mb each. Both RAW and Tiff are lossless. Also, RAW allow you to adjust Whitebalance, and sharpness prior to conversion. Both Canon and Nikon has RAW format...so it must be something about that format that make the big names used them.

Frame rate. Both 3fps, but Oly 12 continuous at any size Ad- Oly

Agreed

Metering. Similar, xcept E-1 has 1.8 spot.
Ad - Oly

Agreed

Flash: Canon has built-in, E-1 No
Ad - Canon

Moot - most ppl will use external flash

Sync speeds appx same, but E-1 syncs to 1/4000 w/FL-50 Ad - Oly

Disagree -- should be "EVEN" Canon with Ex series flash, has high speed sync, which allow it to be sync at any speed.

Shutter: 30-1/4000 for Can, 60-1/4000 for Oly Ad

• Oly

Not very important point, since you can always go to Manual BULB

6) Other stuff:
Olympus has better viewfinder and interchangeable screens.

Agreed

Canon's LCD allow 10x zoom on playback to E-1s 4x but E-1 has more
playback modes and more pixels.

Moot point, with 10x or 4x, you can't really see if the picture is in focus or not... only thing you can tell is the composition. Unless you pic is totally out of focus.

E-1 has 128MByte buffer built. No spec for the Canon
Oly supports usb 2.0, Canon 1.1 Oly also supports Firewire.

Agreed, but not as important, sinc most ppl use Card Reader

E-1 has more drive modes and a wireless remote.

10D has remote, but not included.... does E-1 include them?
what is drivemodes, that you are refering to, film advance?

E-1 is smaller and lighter (660 gr vs 790gr) and with lenses this
advantage will be more pronounced in Olympus' favor.

Disagree--- heavier camera will allow better balance for high quality lens, which are heavy.

There's lots more but I gotta stop here.

Conclusion, IMHO, the E-1 is more of a professional camera than the
10D. It has more and better features, is smaller and lighter, will,
in all probability perform equal to or exceed the 10D in everything
from speed of operation to image quality. All IMHO.

I am sure that the E-1 will be great camera... but the option of lens is very limiting.... . I've been consider the 10D for a while... but just got a chance to handheld one.. and did not like the "cheap" feel of it... however... if the E-1 come out... might want to try that too...:-D

 

[Tony Ku]

My My my... all those numbers, do you like measurabating?

Let's be serious for a moment.

I can buy a Canon 10D today, right now, for less than $1499 in the U.S. (A friend just got his from Amazon.com for $1425 including shipping and no sales tax). Let's say i want an E-1... oh wait, i have to WAIT for god-knows-how long for a product that hasn't been tested by the public, except on paper.

FYI, the stated NYC correction was $2600 MSRP for OLympus. Canon's was $1999 MSRP but with a street price of $1499 RIGHT FROM THE START! (They had enough in production). My guess is that the demand for E-1 will be such that the price will remain at $2600 for quite a while.

BTW, when you by into 4/3 system, you're taking essential risks that the only manufacturer that builds for the 4/3 might be Olympus! Kodak hasn't announced any bodies, neither does Fuji, and only lens manufacturer is olympus. So it might just be an Olympus system, that's all.

 

[Andrew Grant27981]

OK, let's get ready to r u m b l e!

Ad - Canon.

2) Body - When I look at the picture of the 10D vs the E-1 on this
site, I come away with the feeling that the 10D is going to look
and feel like a Rebel. It just looks cheap. Whereas the E-1 just
plain looks good. Looks well-built. And from all reviews I've read
the build quality is top notch. And it has all those splash proof
seals. Gotta love that. Ad - Oly

You have clearly never handled a Rebel, 10D or perhaps any other EOS body. The Rebel is a cheap and nasty plastic SLR without even the rear control dial all the other current EOS SLRs have. The 10D has a mag alloy shell over a stainless steel frame. Not as well built as a 1D but much better than a Rebel, Elan or EOS 3.

3) Price - everybody has been talking about how pricey the E-1 is.
MSRP right now is $2199. But what was the MSRP of the 10D when it
was introduced? Answer - $1999. Difference of $200. Street price
of the Canon is now about $1599? I wonder what the street price of
the E-1 will be around or after Xmas this year? Ad - Canon,
assuming the 10D is an equal camera.

The Canon street price is about $1499 and has been since it started shipping. Canon always has a wide spread between the MSRP and street price.

4) Sensor - Interline CMOS at 6.3 MP vs Frame-Transfer CCD at 5.1
MP. Sounds like adv Canon at first thought.

There is no such thing as an interline CMOS. Interline refers to the design of most CCDs.

Sync speeds appx same, but E-1 syncs to 1/4000 w/FL-50 Ad - Oly

All current Canon SLRs supoort high speed sync with all current Canon strobes. They have had this feature for years.

6) Other stuff:
Olympus has better viewfinder and interchangeable screens.

But the AF points don't light up.

Oly supports usb 2.0, Canon 1.1 Oly also supports Firewire.

True, however most DSLR users buy a card reader anyway. Much easier than plugging a large camera into your computer.

E-1 is smaller and lighter (660 gr vs 790gr) and with lenses this
advantage will be more pronounced in Olympus' favor.

It doesn't look much smaller to me. As for lighter, I thought you said the 10D was built like a Rebel. You can't have it both ways.

Conclusion, IMHO, the E-1 is more of a professional camera than the
10D. It has more and better features, is smaller and lighter, will,
in all probability perform equal to or exceed the 10D in everything
from speed of operation to image quality. All IMHO.

"professional" cmaeras are normally bigger and heavier than the consumer versions so if you are basing your assertion on size and weight, the 10D is more professional.

 

[markE59102]

The 10D
has a mag alloy shell over a stainless steel frame. Not as well
built as a 1D but much better than a Rebel, Elan or EOS 3.

Agree. I've handled a few 1Ds's-s-s (stop me now), and yesterday I handled my first 10D. Even though the 10D feels cheaper than the 1Ds, it's not even close to the Rebel.

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[Jon Ragnarsson]

It has nothing to do with the specs of the camera, but rather the access to all those wonderful L lenses.
But then I will probably buy Sigmas anyway...

J.
--
http://jonr.beecee.org/

 

[vince lorto]

It sounds like you've convinced yourself & just want some cheerleaders to push yourself along...

As someone else posted, you got so many things wrong.

1) Lenses - OK, let's get it over with - the Canon has hundreds or

so of mountable lenses for the 10D. The E-1 has 5 + a 1.4x and an
extension tube. Big advantage Canon, right? Especially if you
already own Canon lenses. Especially since they have 'IS' lenses?
But, if you're shopping for a 'system' the advantage lessens
dramatically. Because the Zuiko Digital lenses, according to specs,
are just plain going to give better performance than the existing
stock of film lenses.

Excellent job making the argument for Oly. Considering there aren't even any posted reviews yet, you're well on your way!

2) Body - When I look at the picture of the 10D vs the E-1 on this
site, I come away with the feeling that the 10D is going to look
and feel like a Rebel. It just looks cheap. Whereas the E-1 just
plain looks good. Looks well-built. And from all reviews I've read
the build quality is top notch. And it has all those splash proof
seals. Gotta love that. Ad - Oly

Hahahaha

3) Price - everybody has been talking about how pricey the E-1 is.
MSRP right now is $2199. But what was the MSRP of the 10D when it
was introduced? Answer - $1999. Difference of $200. Street price
of the Canon is now about $1599? I wonder what the street price of
the E-1 will be around or after Xmas this year? Ad - Canon,
assuming the 10D is an equal camera.

??? Keep trying to convince yourself that there won't be a huge price difference. Maybe yes, maybe no: FOR THE BODY. Ask everyone here how much the Tcon 300s is...

4) Sensor - Interline CMOS at 6.3 MP vs Frame-Transfer CCD at 5.1

MP. Sounds like adv Canon at first thought. ...... I'm giving an Ad - Oly here based on
specs.

Rumbling with specs again... wait for the final product before going gung ho!

5)' Features'
Oly has a dust-cleaning mechanism. Canon No. Ad

• Oly

Kudos to Oly

Auto-focus. Canon 7-area, Oly 3. Based on rep alone Ad -
Canon

So what? most people use only center anyway...

Files: Oly can do TIFF, Canon No.
Ad - Oly

I don't think this is a real advantage. Ask how many people in this forum use Tiff on their Exx's...

Frame rate. Both 3fps, but Oly 12 continuous at any size Ad- Oly
Metering. Similar, xcept E-1 has 1.8 spot.
Ad - Oly
Flash: Canon has built-in, E-1 No
Ad - Canon

I agree I agree...

Sync speeds appx same, but E-1 syncs to 1/4000 w/FL-50 Ad - Oly
Shutter: 30-1/4000 for Can, 60-1/4000 for Oly Ad

• Oly

wrong here but I wonder how much that FL-50 is gonna be? 550ex syncs at 1/4000 & I guarantee that Oly's copied Canon on this one.

6) Other stuff:
Olympus has better viewfinder and interchangeable screens.
Canon's LCD allow 10x zoom on playback to E-1s 4x but E-1 has more
playback modes and more pixels.

See? Convincing yourself again.

E-1 has 128MByte buffer built. No spec for the Canon
Oly supports usb 2.0, Canon 1.1 Oly also supports Firewire.

I've never used the USB on camera since I bought it. Does anyone? I pop out my CF card & drop it into the CF reader.

E-1 has more drive modes and a wireless remote.
E-1 is smaller and lighter (660 gr vs 790gr) and with lenses this
advantage will be more pronounced in Olympus' favor.

There's lots more but I gotta stop here.

Blah blah...

Conclusion, IMHO, the E-1 is more of a professional camera than the
10D. It has more and better features, is smaller and lighter, will,
in all probability perform equal to or exceed the 10D in everything
from speed of operation to image quality. All IMHO.

Well, I think you've done a great job convincing yourself. Is the E1 better than the 10D? Maybe yes, Maybe no. Can you people please let a test be done on the new camera before becoming its cheerleader? Some things I do know: The Canon 10D is available to be purchased now. It takes great photos. It's much better than my old Oly E10.

The bottom line is if the E1 is meant for the pro market, you really shouldn't be comparing it to the 10D. Everyone seems to be doing it anyway. Doesn't that make you wonder?

Vince
--

But what do I know? I'm just a servant to the ancient Sumerian god, Gozer the Gozerian. Keymaster

Canon 10D - Canon D30 - 28-135 IS - Sigma 50-500 - 24-85 - A bunch of other stuff

 

[YosemiteSam]

My My my... all those numbers, do you like measurabating?

Showed your IQ right off the bat, Tony. So you don't care about the specs? Just buy whatever Canon throws your way?

Let's be serious for a moment.

I can buy a Canon 10D today, right now, for less than $1499 in the
U.S. (A friend just got his from Amazon.com for $1425 including
shipping and no sales tax).

Fine for you. I'm not ready or willing to buy right now. If buying right now is the criteria, then advantage - Canon.

Let's say i want an E-1... oh wait, i
have to WAIT for god-knows-how

God's got nothing to do with it. Olympus says October. It'll definitely by available before Xmas.

FYI, the stated NYC correction was $2600 MSRP for OLympus.

Open your eyes, AW. It's $2600 for the E-1 body AND the 14-54 F/2.8-3.5 lens. A lens designed for the sensor size with built in distortion correction, weather sealing and in a zoom range and speed combo not avail for your 10D. Closest thing I see for 10D that can compete with this lens is the 17-40 F/4.0. It's:

a stop to 1/3 stop SLOWER
zoom range is SMALLER
more EXPENSIVE ($799 at B&H)
LARGER and HEAVIER.

Advantage - Olympus.

Canon's
was $1999 MSRP but with a street price of $1499 RIGHT FROM THE
START! (They had enough in production). My guess is that the
demand for E-1 will be such that the price will remain at $2600 for
quite a while.

You could be right. We'll see.

BTW, when you by into 4/3 system, you're taking essential risks
that the only manufacturer that builds for the 4/3 might be
Olympus! Kodak hasn't announced any bodies, neither does Fuji, and
only lens manufacturer is olympus. So it might just be an Olympus
system, that's all.

You could be right about this too. We'll see.

 

[YosemiteSam]

It sounds like you've convinced yourself & just want some
cheerleaders to push yourself along...

I compared the specs. I'm trying to figure out if the E-1 will be a good option. I'm not looking for cheerleaders. I merely posted to see what other opinions were. But in the final analysis, when it comes time to buy, to quote Eminem "I don't give a (expletive deleted) what you think. "

As someone else posted, you got so many things wrong.

It seems that some things were not mentioned in the specs I had to compare these cameras, therefore there were some errors. "A lot", "so many" seem to be big exagerations.

Because the Zuiko Digital lenses, according to specs,
are just plain going to give better performance than the existing
stock of film lenses.

Excellent job making the argument for Oly. Considering there
aren't even any posted reviews yet, you're well on your way!

Thank you. The MTFs are posted. I know Zuiko lenses well. I never said any reviews were available. And I gave this one to Canon anyway, so what are u arguing about?

2) Body - When I look at the picture of the 10D vs the E-1 on this
site, I come away with the feeling that the 10D is going to look
and feel like a Rebel. It just looks cheap. Whereas the E-1 just
plain looks good. Looks well-built. And from all reviews I've read
the build quality is top notch. And it has all those splash proof
seals. Gotta love that. Ad - Oly

Hahahaha

At your most intelligent here.

3) Price - .

??? Keep trying to convince yourself that there won't be a huge
price difference. Maybe yes, maybe no:

The E-1 may be worth the extra money.

4) Sensor - Interline CMOS at 6.3 MP vs Frame-Transfer CCD at 5.1

MP. Sounds like adv Canon at first thought. ...... I'm giving an Ad - Oly here based on
specs.

Rumbling with specs again... wait for the final product before
going gung ho!

This is a key area. The E-1s sensor needs to equal or outperform the 10Ds at standard print sizes IMHO. You are right, we don't know yet. But the specs are posted.

5)' Features'
Oly has a dust-cleaning mechanism. Canon No. Ad

• Oly

Kudos to Oly

Auto-focus. Canon 7-area, Oly 3. Based on rep alone Ad -
Canon

So what? most people use only center anyway...

Yes, I figured that. But I had to find some Canon advantages! :> )

Files: Oly can do TIFF, Canon No.
Ad - Oly

I don't think this is a real advantage. Ask how many people in
this forum use Tiff on their Exx's...

I really don't know about this as I don't use a digital camera yet. But what I think I do know is that a .Tiff can be directly imported into Photoshop and can be pre-manipulated in the camera (distortion correction, etc) while a Raw file requires custom software giving at least 1 more step per image in workflow. It's a tradeoff.

Sync speeds appx same, but E-1 syncs to 1/4000 w/FL-50 Ad - Oly
Shutter: 30-1/4000 for Can, 60-1/4000 for Oly Ad

• Oly

wrong here but I wonder how much that FL-50 is gonna be? 550ex
syncs at 1/4000 & I guarantee that Oly's copied Canon on this one.

I suspected Canon had copied Super-FP technology from Olympus who had it first back in the mid-80s but I wasn't sure and the spec sheet for the 10D didn't mention it.

Now I see the Canon 550 is $329 steeet at B&H while the announced price for the FL-50 is $499

E-1 has 128MByte buffer built. No spec for the Canon
Oly supports usb 2.0, Canon 1.1 Oly also supports Firewire.

I've never used the USB on camera since I bought it. Does anyone?
I pop out my CF card & drop it into the CF reader.

That seems to be the consensus. I wonder why folks buy an extra piece of gear when all they need to do is connect a cable from the camera to the front of the computer?

Also, no one yet has mentioned RAM buffer size in the 10D.

E-1 has more drive modes and a wireless remote.
E-1 is smaller and lighter (660 gr vs 790gr) and with lenses this
advantage will be more pronounced in Olympus' favor.

There's lots more but I gotta stop here.

Blah blah...

Someone else said a heavier camera is better for stability. That's a pretty perverse agument. There are limits on both ends to this argument. Ask anyone who carries and shoots with a Pentax 6x7, or a Nikon F5 w/battey pack if they'd like a smaller lighter camera. OTOH, I wouldn't buy a Stylus with a 600mm lens attachment.

Again, this is a tradeoff issue, but the E-1 at 130grams lighter than the 10D (and with lighter lenses) is the one I'd prefer to have in my backpack. Leaves more room for bear food! :> )

Conclusion, IMHO, the E-1 is more of a professional camera

IMHO based on SPECS.

please let a test be done on the new camera before becoming its
cheerleader?

I'm anxiously awaiting a full test. I didn't think I was cheerleading.

Some things I do know: The Canon 10D is available to
be purchased now. It takes great photos. It's much better than my
old Oly E10.

The bottom line is if the E1 is meant for the pro market, you
really shouldn't be comparing it to the 10D. Everyone seems to be
doing it anyway. Doesn't that make you wonder?

Well, the point is that it looks to me like the E-1 will fit between the 10D and its' costs-as-much-as-a-car big brother. Even I don't think it compares to that one. ... Or do I? ...

G

 

[varex2a]

Because the Zuiko Digital lenses, according to specs,
are just plain going to give better performance than the existing
stock of film lenses.

Thank you. The MTFs are posted. I know Zuiko lenses well. I never

said any reviews were available. And I gave this one to Canon
anyway, so what are u arguing about?

Zuiko is just a name applied to Olympus lenses it dosen't mean anything. Nikon calls all their lens Nikkor, even the cheap plasticy ones that are down right terrible in picture quality.

Leica til the end

 

[Jon Ragnarsson]

Vince Lorto wrote:
....
...

Sync speeds appx same, but E-1 syncs to 1/4000 w/FL-50 Ad - Oly
Shutter: 30-1/4000 for Can, 60-1/4000 for Oly Ad

• Oly

wrong here but I wonder how much that FL-50 is gonna be? 550ex
syncs at 1/4000 & I guarantee that Oly's copied Canon on this one.

One correction:
Olympus had the first FP flash, the F280

J
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[Andrew Grant27981]

2) Body - When I look at the picture of the 10D vs the E-1 on this
site, I come away with the feeling that the 10D is going to look
and feel like a Rebel. It just looks cheap. Whereas the E-1 just
plain looks good. Looks well-built. And from all reviews I've read
the build quality is top notch. And it has all those splash proof
seals. Gotta love that. Ad - Oly

Hahahaha

At your most intelligent here.

Well saying that a 10D would look and feel like a Rebel was a pretty silly thing for you to say.

I suspected Canon had copied Super-FP technology from Olympus who
had it first back in the mid-80s but I wasn't sure and the spec
sheet for the 10D didn't mention it.
Now I see the Canon 550 is $329 steeet at B&H while the announced
price for the FL-50 is $499

And the 42EX which also supports 1/4000 costs less than $200.

That seems to be the consensus. I wonder why folks buy an extra
piece of gear when all they need to do is connect a cable from the
camera to the front of the computer?

because it is easier. The card reader looks just like a floppy or hard drive and doesn't require the installion of special software to move images to the hard drive.

Also, no one yet has mentioned RAM buffer size in the 10D.

Why does it matter. The 10D can buffer 9 6.3MP images. That is all your really need to know.

 

[Jono Slack]

Hi There

Almost everyone it seems says that this 'isn't relevant' because everyone uses card readers. if a camera has USB 1.1, then this is a no brainer - but I don't use a card Reader with my D1X - it has firewire, simply plugging in the camera has several advantages:

1. it's faster (actually depending on the card reader to some extent)
2. it saves those pins on your CF cards

3. it prevents you from getting somewhere and finding there's no card in your camera.

You'd better believe it, with a satisfactory method of connecting camera to computer you'll use it!

kind regards
jono slack

 

[Andrew Grant27981]

You'd better believe it, with a satisfactory method of connecting
camera to computer you'll use it!

Not me. I don't have room on my desk for a DLSR with or without a lens attached.

 

[Cliff. Johnston]

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G,

...by quoting Tennessee Williams, "F...k you!" Shorter and Williams is somewhat of an American literary icon - not trying to take anything away from Eminem. He does have talent.

Cliff.

 

[Jono Slack]

You'd better believe it, with a satisfactory method of connecting
camera to computer you'll use it!

Not me. I don't have room on my desk for a DLSR with or without a
lens attached.

And both your camera and computer are equipped with firewire?

because, if they are, there's no need to keep it on your desk at all - cable from the last firewire device to somewhere else - plug and go.

Then you can save the space taken up by that card reader

Alternatively you could get a bigger desk

kind regards
jono slack

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[Andrew Grant27981]

Then you can save the space taken up by that card reader

Alternatively you could get a bigger desk

The nice thing about card readers is they cost very little and take up very little space. In any case, I need the card reader to transfer images to my digital photoframe.

 

[Jon Ragnarsson]

...

because it is easier. The card reader looks just like a floppy or
hard drive and doesn't require the installion of special software
to move images to the hard drive.

My camera does that. I haven't changed CF in months. It is the right way. (TM)
J.

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[Jono Slack]

Then you can save the space taken up by that card reader

Alternatively you could get a bigger desk

The nice thing about card readers is they cost very little and take
up very little space.

The nice thing about no card reader, is that they cost nothing, and they take up NO space - and you don't have to remember to take them with you.

But Andrew - this was not my point, my point was that an CF card has a limited number of inserts, and finally you'll bend a pin (maybe in the camera, some have) - added to which it really is faster if you have a decent connection.

I believe you have a 10D don't you? If so, I guess you haven't realised the true advantages yet.

kind regards
jono slack

In any case, I need the card reader to
transfer images to my digital photoframe.

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