It's not good news from me on the NX1...

[topstuff]

Thank you Bill. These beasts are mine running and jumping like crazy. Anyway, I'll wait till someone would do a proper dog test with NX1 or when it be available in one of the Toronto stores along with 50-150mm lens.

I'd love it to be capable of having 15fps and af-c to produce something like this


This was shot in a cloudy day just before the sunset with high ISO (don't remember now, sorry). Jager was jumping up and down toward me in the tall grass

As gun dog owners too ( Hungarian Viszlas ) I love these beasts too !

In this shot the AF is off - the focus is on the grass, not the dog. Perfectly understandable though. No camera is infallible.

 

[lol101]

Based on a lot of the very hateful comments some of you are posting here regarding me. I will NOT be (wasting my time) sharing any more images from the Samsung NX1 I currently have in my possession.

Thank you.

 

[Leonostro]

As gun dog owners too ( Hungarian Viszlas ) I love these beasts too !

In this shot the AF is off - the focus is on the grass, not the dog. Perfectly understandable though. No camera is infallible.

Hi topstuff, great to meet another bird dog owner!

I agree, not the best focus I'm still learning... Just wanted to show what kind of shots I'm after. It's much worse than a dog running toward you without obstruction. He was jumping up and down in the tall grass in and out for a split second in the twilight.

 

[kcamacho11]

Is it difficult to ask him to do retest with other af settings? No one is perfect and I think it is not nice to have someone burned at the stake just by showing poorly focused nx1 shot. Imagine if you do test andconmitted error. Youd be scared to post here.

You are missing the point.

He has purchased more cameras in the past months than everyone in this forum put together. He then finds something wrong with them after a few days and says he will return that specific camera. That is his infamous trend, which goes on the different camera brand forums in DPreview.

Instead of looking at his poor technique and skills, he blames each camera and sends it back....while others are successful in getting the shots he cannot get with the same cameras.

 

[tom1234567]

Based on a lot of the very hateful comments some of you are posting here regarding me. I will NOT be (wasting my time) sharing any more images from the Samsung NX1 I currently have in my possession.

Thank you.

 

[tom1234567]

Is it difficult to ask him to do retest with other af settings? No one is perfect and I think it is not nice to have someone burned at the stake just by showing poorly focused nx1 shot. Imagine if you do test andconmitted error. Youd be scared to post here.

You are missing the point.

He has purchased more cameras in the past months than everyone in this forum put together. He then finds something wrong with them after a few days and says he will return that specific camera. That is his infamous trend, which goes on the different camera brand forums in DPreview.

Instead of looking at his poor technique and skills, he blames each camera and sends it back....while others are successful in getting the shots he cannot get with the same cameras.

I agree 100%

 

[Bill Hollinger]

Is it difficult to ask him to do retest with other af settings? No one is perfect and I think it is not nice to have someone burned at the stake just by showing poorly focused nx1 shot. Imagine if you do test andconmitted error. Youd be scared to post here.

Yes indeed, Jennyrae. I’m dismayed by the pejorative comments of some posters here. Neil Jones was kind enough to go and spend several hours testing cameras to answer our questions. He posted the results, which as it turned out are consistent with others who have used the camera in similar comparisons. It is also consistent with the lack of any photographic, or even antidotal evidence, to the contrary. Some of us were drawn to the NX1 by the specifications, hoping we would find a lighter weight alternative to the heavier DSLR equipment we use now. For many people the NX1 seems very promising, but those those of us who also need the camera for action photography, it seems not to live up to the promise of Samsung’s specifications. The camera is a tool we choose on the basis of what we hope it will produce. In this case, for action photos, it seems the lower tier offerings from Nikon and Sony (which I admit surprised me) are better choices. So once again I want to Thank Neil Jones for his efforts.

 

[Bill Hollinger]

Is it difficult to ask him to do retest with other af settings? No one is perfect and I think it is not nice to have someone burned at the stake just by showing poorly focused nx1 shot. Imagine if you do test andconmitted error. Youd be scared to post here.

You are missing the point.

He has purchased more cameras in the past months than everyone in this forum put together. He then finds something wrong with them after a few days and says he will return that specific camera. That is his infamous trend, which goes on the different camera brand forums in DPreview.

Instead of looking at his poor technique and skills, he blames each camera and sends it back....while others are successful in getting the shots he cannot get with the same cameras.

His "poor technique" - your words, the justification of which is highly questionable - resulted in perfectly focused images from the Nikon, soothing for which that camera is renowned.

 

[Bill Hollinger]

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But there is also a Sony A6000 in the household and that camera has no problem shooting moving dogs. Other tests of the NX1 certainly suggest it is quite capable on paper of shooting moving dogs.

What other tests? Where are they? Your claim, so please show us.

 

[kcamacho11]

Is it difficult to ask him to do retest with other af settings? No one is perfect and I think it is not nice to have someone burned at the stake just by showing poorly focused nx1 shot. Imagine if you do test andconmitted error. Youd be scared to post here.

You are missing the point.

He has purchased more cameras in the past months than everyone in this forum put together. He then finds something wrong with them after a few days and says he will return that specific camera. That is his infamous trend, which goes on the different camera brand forums in DPreview.

Instead of looking at his poor technique and skills, he blames each camera and sends it back....while others are successful in getting the shots he cannot get with the same cameras.

His "poor technique" - your words, the justification of which is highly questionable - resulted in perfectly focused images from the Nikon, soothing for which that camera is renowned.

Then explain why every time he finds something wrong with a camera which he says he is returning, a poster is able to successfully prove him wrong and post pictures that are contrary to his? Posters in Fuji, Sony and M43 were able to do this. Stop defending him, as you clearly do not notice his infamous trend.

Let me ask you something......

Do you buy a cell phone today, return it some time after.....then buy another one and do the same and so on and on, until you have purchased a total of 5-6 cell phones in ONE year?

No, right? Because that is not normal, is it?

Then why are you making excuses for him purchasing and returning a LOOONG list of perfectly capable cameras in the past year?

 

[lol101]

Is it difficult to ask him to do retest with other af settings? No one is perfect and I think it is not nice to have someone burned at the stake just by showing poorly focused nx1 shot. Imagine if you do test andconmitted error. Youd be scared to post here.

Yes indeed, Jennyrae. I’m dismayed by the pejorative comments of some posters here. Neil Jones was kind enough to go and spend several hours testing cameras to answer our questions. He posted the results, which as it turned out are consistent with others who have used the camera in similar comparisons. It is also consistent with the lack of any photographic, or even antidotal evidence, to the contrary. Some of us were drawn to the NX1 by the specifications, hoping we would find a lighter weight alternative to the heavier DSLR equipment we use now. For many people the NX1 seems very promising, but those those of us who also need the camera for action photography, it seems not to live up to the promise of Samsung’s specifications. The camera is a tool we choose on the basis of what we hope it will produce. In this case, for action photos, it seems the lower tier offerings from Nikon and Sony (which I admit surprised me) are better choices. So once again I want to Thank Neil Jones for his efforts.

+1

And to say that we were that close to learn something about AF tracking on NX1...

 

[topstuff]

j For many people the NX1 seems very promising, but those those of us who also need the camera for action photography, it seems not to live up to the promise of Samsung’s specifications.

This is simply not true. It is far too much of a leap.

The OP has told us nothing about the NX1 capabilities because I sincerely doubt if he was using it properly. if the experience of the other camera ( the A6000 ) is anything to go by, then I know it was user error because the A6000 is quite capable of catching running dogs, cyclists, cars etc etc..

We cannot deduce that the NX1 does not live up to expectations. Not yet. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. We don't have enough data points to make a judgement.

I think the point is that this "test" tell us nothing, other than that the D750 is a great camera. We know this to be the case ( I am a D810 owner with the same AF system and I love mine ).

I am looking forward to really learning what the NX1 can do. The reviews so far look very promising. The NX1 could be a game changer - it has a processor which is a generation ahead of the Exspeed4 in the Nikon for speed and 200+ AF points after all.

The jury is out. Lets wait and see.

 

[Bill Hollinger]

And my Nikon D750.

After 3 days of testing both cameras side by side, I've decided to keep the D750 and send the NX1 back.

Bottom line.

The D750 produces better images in most situations. (Well, it is a full frame sensor)
The AF is better all round on the Nikon D750. (Especially in continuous shooting mode)

The Nikon sensor is just so hard to beat especially when you crank the ISO to higher levels. It really is!!

I was so surprised today when I did the extreme dog running towards my camera test. I used 3 cameras in the same situation with same ( or very similar) settings.

The Nikon killed the NX1 getting 95% of the shots in focus. The Sony a6000 came in second place with the NX1 struggling in last place. This really surprised me! I tried the test several times with the Nikon killing it every time! Majorly!!

I completely fell in love with the Nikon D750 and will keep it as my main camera.

No flaming here, just giving my thoughts after testing these cameras.

I'm sure the NX1 will do very well. Just not with me.

I bid you farewell for now.

Peace to all.

Your friend,
Neil.

--
" All you need is love"

Neil thank you for posting about your test. I'm not surprised FF camera costing between 2-3K$ can do better tracking focus at 120mm compared to a just released new-tech aps/c sensor at 50mm. It is disappointing NX1 didn't do better than you said, however.

I'm hoping to get my hands on a copy of the Samsung 50-150 f/2.8 in a few days/weeks and plan to run some AF tests against aps/c competition. My 7DII and a friend's K3 running hopefully more comparable lenses. We'll see what happens since we're already seeing those two cams seem to be able to pass tracking tests at much higher hit rates closer to your D750 experience.

I’d love to see them, and I’ll also test the NX1 and 50-150 if ever they become available. If the results are not positive, you can expect to be flooded with sophomoric vitriol. It really has no place on a forum where people go to find answers from others with common interests.

 

[viking79]

Is it difficult to ask him to do retest with other af settings? No one is perfect and I think it is not nice to have someone burned at the stake just by showing poorly focused nx1 shot. Imagine if you do test andconmitted error. Youd be scared to post here.

Yes indeed, Jennyrae. I’m dismayed by the pejorative comments of some posters here. Neil Jones was kind enough to go and spend several hours testing cameras to answer our questions. He posted the results, which as it turned out are consistent with others who have used the camera in similar comparisons. It is also consistent with the lack of any photographic, or even antidotal evidence, to the contrary. Some of us were drawn to the NX1 by the specifications, hoping we would find a lighter weight alternative to the heavier DSLR equipment we use now. For many people the NX1 seems very promising, but those those of us who also need the camera for action photography, it seems not to live up to the promise of Samsung’s specifications. The camera is a tool we choose on the basis of what we hope it will produce. In this case, for action photos, it seems the lower tier offerings from Nikon and Sony (which I admit surprised me) are better choices. So once again I want to Thank Neil Jones for his efforts.

Don't be too hasty though, it could mean than he wasn't familiar with the NX1, so it is by no means conclusive. The 16-50mm lens is not really long enough to compare to 120 mm (80 mm on APS-C) so I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from this. And A6000 lens, the 50mm f/1.8 is also a terrible lens for doing AF tests with, it is one of the slowest focusing E mount lenses.

Clearly Neil is able to get good results with the Nikon, but that doesn't mean the NX1 is inferior.

I would say wait to draw conclusions until more tests are out, or convince Neil to do a more fair comparison (post entire sequences with comparable lenses and AF settings). In this case, I think the camera is rear focusing because of the wider angle and could also be AF setting. The tighter view on the Nikon gives it a definite advantage, as does his greater experience with that camera.

Neil does in fact like stirring up forums as you can easily see if you examine his posting history, but I don't discredit him because of this, but I would also like to see a more fair comparison with more evidence to support his claims. I am a scientist type after-all.

Eric

 

[PDM]

^+1. Nice reply Eric

 

[topstuff]

There is no need for the personal attacks on the OP.

However, I like many here, really don't trust the results of the so called "test".

Without wishing to be rude about it, there is plenty of evidence that he does not know how to use the cameras. This is not about the cameras - it is really about user error.

We do not know about the NX1 yet. It is too early to pass judgement on the performance of that camera.

But we do know about the Sony A6000 he "tested" and found wanting. Truly - it wasn't the camera, it was the user. The only major reason the Sony pictures were not as sharp as the Nikons, was the user.

For evidence, look at DP Reviews own test of the AF on the A6000. The DPR test of the A6000 found they were getting 70% hit rate at ELEVEN FPS at 1/1600 at F4. This matches with my own experience of the Sony.

See it here: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-alpha-a6000/7

Bottom line - he didn't use the Sony right. So we can't accept that he was using the NX1 correctly, either.

But there is no need to bicker.

I say this as a fellow Nikon user, too ! So I have no axe to grind.

 

[scottyinfrisco]

Is it difficult to ask him to do retest with other af settings? No one is perfect and I think it is not nice to have someone burned at the stake just by showing poorly focused nx1 shot. Imagine if you do test andconmitted error. Youd be scared to post here.

Yes indeed, Jennyrae. I’m dismayed by the pejorative comments of some posters here. Neil Jones was kind enough to go and spend several hours testing cameras to answer our questions. He posted the results, which as it turned out are consistent with others who have used the camera in similar comparisons. It is also consistent with the lack of any photographic, or even antidotal evidence, to the contrary. Some of us were drawn to the NX1 by the specifications, hoping we would find a lighter weight alternative to the heavier DSLR equipment we use now. For many people the NX1 seems very promising, but those those of us who also need the camera for action photography, it seems not to live up to the promise of Samsung’s specifications. The camera is a tool we choose on the basis of what we hope it will produce. In this case, for action photos, it seems the lower tier offerings from Nikon and Sony (which I admit surprised me) are better choices. So once again I want to Thank Neil Jones for his efforts.

Don't be too hasty though, it could mean than he wasn't familiar with the NX1, so it is by no means conclusive. The 16-50mm lens is not really long enough to compare to 120 mm (80 mm on APS-C) so I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from this. And A6000 lens, the 50mm f/1.8 is also a terrible lens for doing AF tests with, it is one of the slowest focusing E mount lenses.

Clearly Neil is able to get good results with the Nikon, but that doesn't mean the NX1 is inferior.

I would say wait to draw conclusions until more tests are out, or convince Neil to do a more fair comparison (post entire sequences with comparable lenses and AF settings). In this case, I think the camera is rear focusing because of the wider angle and could also be AF setting. The tighter view on the Nikon gives it a definite advantage, as does his greater experience with that camera.

Neil does in fact like stirring up forums as you can easily see if you examine his posting history, but I don't discredit him because of this, but would like to see more fair comparisons.

Eric

Eric - You are spot on. These days most mid-level DSLR's are in fact inferior to a large majority of MILC cameras, HOWEVER, there is a definite technique difference between the two. Most folks that have been around DSLR can pick up a mid or entry level camera slap it A mode with center weighted AF-C and get a 70%+ keeper rate. This may or not be the case for mirrorless. Once you get to know a device, that becomes easier to judge. Neil doesn't do this. He makes my case of G.A.S. look like a common cold, but I can relate to the technology bug. Kind of links to the old adage of get one gun and shoot it a lot.

In a Twitter conversation with Jordan Stead, the pro that did the video review for this website, he felt that the NX1 was better at AF tracking than the Canon 70D, but not up to 1Dx standards. He was't sure if that was good enough for him. As person making a living at it, I get that. But for me, the enthusiast, I think that's a rave review. The 70D and D7100 are virtually a draw, and if NX1 is better I'm all in.

In my whole one day of shooting with NX1 I can without doubt see the whole package as a home run. Is it perfect, heck no, but it checks a whole lot of boxes for ME. Unfortunately for Neil he has a bit of a scorched earth past, and I would never make a buying decision based on a review from him. I also would never base a buying decision on one review from anyone. I think the NX1 will prove itself shortly as DPR has hinted at listing it as its top mirrorless enthusiast camera to buy pending final review.

From personal experience with a very slow lens literally in the dark shooting moving subjects, mainly at 6400iso the camera is capable of more than we've been privy to here.

 

[BillZuhl]

And my Nikon D750.

After 3 days of testing both cameras side by side, I've decided to keep the D750 and send the NX1 back.

Bottom line.

Peace to all.

Your friend,
Neil.

 

[BillZuhl]

There is no need for the personal attacks on the OP.

I don't think we're making any attacks on the OP are you referring to other posters in the thread?

However, I like many here, really don't trust the results of the so called "test".

We'll just try to repeat his results when we can and see how much evidence, if any, can be built up.

Without wishing to be rude about it, there is plenty of evidence that he does not know how to use the cameras. This is not about the cameras - it is really about user error.

We do not know about the NX1 yet. It is too early to pass judgement on the performance of that camera.

But we do know about the Sony A6000 he "tested" and found wanting. Truly - it wasn't the camera, it was the user. The only major reason the Sony pictures were not as sharp as the Nikons, was the user.

For evidence, look at DP Reviews own test of the AF on the A6000. The DPR test of the A6000 found they were getting 70% hit rate at ELEVEN FPS at 1/1600 at F4. This matches with my own experience of the Sony.

See it here: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-alpha-a6000/7

Bottom line - he didn't use the Sony right. So we can't accept that he was using the NX1 correctly, either.

Also, Samsung might need to release a firmware for the camera or the lens. If the lens has new FW out there, did the OP say he applied it?

But there is no need to bicker.

Nope

I say this as a fellow Nikon user, too ! So I have no axe to grind.

Who doesn't think a D750 will do better? Many are not saying that. But 5% keepers?

 

[jennyrae]

in agreement that personal attacks to OP has no place considering OP's intention is to show AF performance of NX1 and D750 at the best of his abilities. if that is case, then it would seem D750 is much friendlier and easier to focus without the complexities of AF settings. you get perfect focus right out of the box and it is understandable the D750 focuses better than NX1 which is very much true. if OP committed mistake with using NX1, rather than attack, certain people should have atleast asked him nicely because despite raising some controversies, he is not trolling unlike some regulars here that deserve such harsh treatment.

it did surprised me with his findings of very poor AF of NX1, that is why I asked him if he is willing to do another retest with other AF settings. but others do not share my open-mindedness and just go on to the attack. I do not really give much credit to those who accuse OP as well because for how many days and possibly a week of posting here, some of the accusers do not seem to mind him posting and even waited for his results. it is only after his testing done that such mudslinging came out. come on guys, be classy. if the OP was not to be trusted, you could have done that and inform everyone a week ago. so I'll give the OP some air here although I take his results with grain of salt especially with very poor hit rate of NX1.

anyway, for conducting AF testing comparison , I would prefer focal size, aperture, shutter and ISO to be the same. would be good if lens tested are zoom against zoom and prime against prime and get their numbers. also good if lens used are in the same class or have better AF mechanism. very important to point out the lens AF mechanism, design and feature. would also want to know speed of subject, focus plane, direction, and light condition.