Jobs announces the "death of the CRT"

[SFishy]

I'm passionate Ulysses

I was a devout PC user (which in unusual in the graphics industry) for many many years. Loved my PCs... was convinced my PCs were just as "good". Then I bought my first Mac 2 years ago, and found out I was mistaken on many things.

Mac has always been ahead, and better at handling the graphics aps. Argue all you want, they just have that market nailed, which is why so many ad shops still use them. PCs are ahead in the internet world, but Mac is finally started to catch up. And when you know the history of both these companys, Jobs makes the computers that Gates is worse at making, but better at marketings

That said, the new design intrigues me. I'm very interested to see where LCD will go in the next year. If I could afford to buy one right now (one of these new funky Macs), I'd jump on it. The Mac just manages these kinds of applications better, and trust me, I've done everything from graphics and layout work to movie editing on both.

I'll be keeping my eye on Apple very closely, and saving my pennies... but I can say, I would not RELY on an LCD for my business right now. I'd hold onto my CRTs until I was sure that color and sharpness are being represented accurately.

Amy

Very difficult to get objective opinions from fanatics, whether
they own a Mac or a PC or whatever you can find on the market.

"Objective" doesn't always suite the purpose either. I want to hear
from people who are excited one way or another. If I want
objective, I can go and read Time magazine's "objective" ad for
Apple --- oops, I mean their cutting edge news reporting.

Seriously, I like reading from someone who's a bit passionate about
what they use. For instance, one might say that I'm probably a Mac
user trapped in a PC body. )
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Ulysses

--beauty is really in the LCD/EVF of the beholder http://www.something-fishy.com/photography

 

[Randy D]

You're in for a rough ride Homer

Wish it had a larger monitor but I think the unwashed masses will
luv it.
As Steverino said.....if they can convince 5 out of the next 95
people who buy a PC to buy this latest and greatest...they will
double their market.

Let's see what happens.
Bought at $22.90
Homer

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101020114/index.html

The whole thing was orchestrated thoroughly. The report was
originally downloadable at timecanada.com, but this morning, you
got redirected to Time.com. Now that the keynote address is over,
the new Time cover with the iMac and Jobs face gracing the LCD
flatscreen has been revealed. Clicking on that cover leads you to
the page above.

Wow... now that's ad power. The iMac is positioned as the center of
Apple's new "Digital Hub", what they envision as the next new
killer suite of apps and functions that will revitalize PC's for
the consumer and pro market.

Whadday think?

... in his keynote address at MacWorld.

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Ulysses

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Ulysses

 

[Randy D]

They said the same thing about the "Cube". Look what happened to that?

The whole tie-in with Time magazine and the inevitable onslaught of
publicity will probably make me sick of seeing the thing. But for
now I really do like the new Imac design.

... in his keynote address at MacWorld.

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Ulysses

 

[Ulysses]

Hey there, fg -

What are you running on the wintel side Uly? I assume you're aware
of the Mhz myth?

The problem in my case is that I've never seriously worked my way around a Mac. I understand the myth as it applies to Intel and AMD. And AMD has a serious piece of work in their current Palamino core Athlons. 1.67 Ghz is very nearly doing the job of an equivalent 2.2 Mhz Northwood. They just need to up the Athlon's L2 cache and move to a 0.13 micron copper process.

Yeah, I know the myth here.

What I'm not familiar with is the way this applies when you bring a chip like the G4 into the equation. I haven't studied it.

I edit 3.3mp images comfortably on a 3 year old 300mhz 604e mac
with 512 RAM.

OK, that's good to know. I'm not sure of your 'comfort' level in terms of performance, but I'm encouraged, at least. RAM is a large part of the equation. Fortunately, it's cheap these days.

A 800mhz G4 would be pretty snappy... 1.5Ghz p3 maybe?

I'll have to take your word for it on the 800 Mhz. I haven't sat down to use one with a copy of Photoslop. But I'm now tempted to try.

Get a load of this. Could this be the thread that convinced Ulysses to go Mac and LCD??? -- Ulysses

 

[Randy D]

LCD's are great for static work...such as digital Photography...but when you use the same monitor for game play, it just doesn't cut it. The refresh rate is not there.

I have had a number of CRT's and the color and brightness has never
been good enough. I have an LCD on my Sony Vaio, and it is nearly
spot on. I am running 800x600 too, but I know I won't be going
back to CRT's myself. My next monitor will be an LCD, hopefully 17
inch, which by the way is really 17 inches, not like the CRT 17
inch which is really a 15 or maybe 16 inch.

CRT's are dead like film is dead, in my eye anyway.
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Shay

My F707 Gallery: http://f707.shay.ws

 

[Ulysses]

I'm passionate Ulysses

And aren't we glad for that!?

I was a devout PC user (which in unusual in the graphics industry)
for many many years. Loved my PCs... was convinced my PCs were just
as "good". Then I bought my first Mac 2 years ago, and found out I
was mistaken on many things.

I'm listening...

Mac just manages these kinds of applications better, and trust me, I've
done everything from graphics and layout work to movie editing on both.

Feel free to fill in more detail here.

pennies... but I can say, I would not RELY on an LCD for my
business right now. I'd hold onto my CRTs until I was sure that
color and sharpness are being represented accurately.

Solid advice. And that's where I'm at for now. I'm not sure I can trust it yet.-- Ulysses

 

[David Pichevin]

BTW, this is all more than simply about Apple and LCD for its own
sake.

Most of the folks here try to take very seriously their images and
their editing. Some of us even rely upon it for paying
opportunities and even for daily business.

I found this segment of the thread to be enlightening and
invigorating as it's given me some new stuff to think about. That's
the STF at its best. How to get the best and the most out of your
images doesn't stop when you've let go of the shutter button, but
goes beyond that and into the other equipment that you're using.

Glad that it turns out to be something else than a fight. As I saif, I have no religion when it comes to all this, or loyalty to a brand or anything like that. I don't make money with all this photo stuff, although I wish I could get good enough and maybe do that one day, but darn I'm picky If something bothers me and is not right, especially in terms of display, then I won't be able to live with it.

You should have seen me converge my home-theater CRT projector (when I had one) to the death. And I would get up in the middle of the movie to put my eye on the screen where I thought I saw something weird

--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp

 

[fg]

Get a load of this. Could this be the thread that convinced Ulysses
to go Mac and LCD???

Something to think about with the LCD issue, is even if there is a loss of quality, LCD's are easier on the eyes, have a great foodprint, run cool, you an move then around a lot easier, use less energy, and run quiet.

I'll give up a bit of quality for all of that. becuase in the end, that little bit of quality isn't going to affect my image quality to any noticable part on my end, or anyone I'll be showing my pix too. I'm the most demanding imagist I know, so it's all downhill from who will be seeing my pix, and I suspect the same is true for most of us.---fg

 

[Ulysses]

They have always promoted good quality
graphics and color fidelity and they pay a lot of attention to that
part in their system. Colorsync is a very important par of OSX and
used by many application. I doubt that they would want to go to all
LCD if that wasn't going in the same direction.

Yes, this does make sense, particularly if they are implementing it correctly.

Question: Please help me with "Colorsync".

Is this color profiling built into OS X? -- Ulysses

 

[Ulysses]

You should have seen me converge my home-theater CRT projector
(when I had one) to the death. And I would get up in the middle of
the movie to put my eye on the screen where I thought I saw
something weird

Heheheh... you sound like exactly my kind of propeller-head. )-- Ulysses

 

[Homer40784]

I know exactly where you are coming from, but Genentech ordered a 1,000 of them.

Their CEO sits on the board of Apple and so they got an early look I'm sure........
But it does seem that they may be willing to RELY on the new Imac.
This is interesting stuff.

Homer

I'll be keeping my eye on Apple very closely, and saving my
pennies... but I can say, I would not RELY on an LCD for my
business right now. I'd hold onto my CRTs until I was sure that
color and sharpness are being represented accurately.

Amy

 

[Homer40784]

You're in for a rough ride Homer

That very well could be.
But the whole market has been a rough ride the last two years.

Many people lost 30% of their portfolio. (I didn't)
I seriously doubt that my bet will fall 30% short.
And the upside could be 50% or more.

Homer

 

[Ulysses]

Great points, all of them, fg.

Lemme ask you a question(s):

What printer are you currently using? Is it a photo printer?

What monitor model are you on?

How would you compare your printer output with that of your LCD?

You are very correct. While we each have our own standards of what we want in our image, the final and ultimate critic of my images should be ME. I think we often forget that and try to rework our images for somone ELSE!

I'm the most demanding imagist I know, so it's all downhill
from who will be seeing my pix, and I suspect the same is true for
most of us.

-- Ulysses

 

[David Pichevin]

A 800mhz G4 would be pretty snappy... 1.5Ghz p3 maybe?

I'll have to take your word for it on the 800 Mhz. I haven't sat
down to use one with a copy of Photoslop. But I'm now tempted to
try.

To tell you the truth, if it could work I would trade my 867MHz G4 that's inside my Powerac for a P4 or an Athlon anytime(If we're talking 1.5GHz or more). Ths is why I was so disappointed by this MacWorld. I really want more horsepower. But well, still like the OSX environment, and I'm not in such a hurry when I work on my photos anyway

Get a load of this. Could this be the thread that convinced Ulysses
to go Mac and LCD???

Frankly. I don't even want to convince you to get an LCD. But I'm glad I could convince you to investigate it and see for yourself, and then maybe get one
--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp

 

[Ulysses]

Many people lost 30% of their portfolio. (I didn't)

Some of us (and I'm not necessarily including or excluding myself in this amorphous "us") lost a whole lot more than that. -- Ulysses

 

[Ulysses]

Frankly. I don't even want to convince you to get an LCD. But I'm
glad I could convince you to investigate it and see for yourself,
and then maybe get one

Well, consider this thread a success from that point of view, then. -- Ulysses

 

[David Pichevin]

You should have seen me converge my home-theater CRT projector
(when I had one) to the death. And I would get up in the middle of
the movie to put my eye on the screen where I thought I saw
something weird

Heheheh... you sound like exactly my kind of propeller-head. )

The worst thing of all is the LCD projector (yeah, I had several of them) with a dead pixel somewhere! Man, that drives you crazy. On 2 hours of movie I would just look at that dead pixel for 2 hours! (Wife="what dead pixel???")

--My photo galleries: http://www.pbase.com/davidp

 

[Ulysses]

But it does seem that they may be willing to RELY on the new Imac.
This is interesting stuff.

This was definitely the impression that I got from the keynote address by Steve Jobs. Without hardly a peep about the PowerMac or the Cube or whatever. The iMac took with solid authority all control of Apple's present attention. And there is no doubt that while some might have wished for more power, the iMac is certainly no slouch, particularly for the market towards whom this is aimed. -- Ulysses

 

[Ulysses]

The worst thing of all is the LCD projector (yeah, I had several of
them) with a dead pixel somewhere! Man, that drives you crazy. On 2
hours of movie I would just look at that dead pixel for 2 hours!
(Wife="what dead pixel???")

-- Ulysses

 

[Homer40784]

You should have seen me converge my home-theater CRT projector
(when I had one) to the death. And I would get up in the middle of
the movie to put my eye on the screen where I thought I saw
something weird

I know. I used to be that way about audio.

I would get the latest record or disc, depending on the era, and listen for Harmonic distortion and sonic range.
Then one day I stopped.
I realized that the current "average" system was far better than I was.
Now I listen to the music.
It is much more enjoyable and now I am in the "mainstream".

I think that is where this pooter with it's state-of-the art included monitor is.
And I think that is very good for the "rest of us".

Homer