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John Harrison said:
I read the 2001 was good for photo editing. Think I am gonna buy it.
JR
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What bothers me about it is that the black seems to be quite a bit too light and that without calibration the colors aren't really very accurate.

of course, it all depends on how much that is worth to you... it is worth the difference to me but the problem is that I still need to come up with the cash.

oh well.
 
versus the 204T......The 204 T is a PVA and the 204B is a TN....thats how the got the response time down. Cheapened the Matrix.
JR
 
Hey JJ,

You know I own a 2405 and notice the same kind of banding or I would say more like artifact when using Adobe CS2. If I look at the pictures in Paint Shop Pro X or Rawshooter premium they look fine. I have been thinking it is a problem with CS2 but don't know for sure.

What do you think?
 
John Harrison said:
Dell 2001.......only concern is this is an older monitor and was
the standard
in its day from what I read...but reports say others now have
better stats from Samsung and Viewsonic.
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This model has a S-IPS-panel (LG-Philips LM201U04). Like you say, in their day this type of panel was the best for color-critical work. S-IPS panels are weak in their blacks and today Samsungs S-PVA panels are most likely the better option.
John Harrison82293 said:
Viewsonic 930b
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This 'only' has a P-MVA-panel (AUO M190EG01 V0)
John Harrison82293 said:
Samsung 204T....I found a Samsung 204b locally but don't know if
this is a lesser model or just a newer one.
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Samsung panels seems to be in the lead these days, and the 204T has their most advanced type of panel, S-PVA (Samsung LTM201U1). Out of the three you mention, I would definitely go for this one... The 204b has a TN-panel, which is fine for office applications but NOT for color critical work, so stay away from that one!

Here's a link to a post about the different kinds of panels and a bunch of smaller screens and their types of panels:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=17435564
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Olaf

'Error is a portal to new discovery'
 
Olaf.dk said:
John Harrison said:
Dell 2001.......only concern is this is an older monitor and was
the standard
in its day from what I read...but reports say others now have
better stats from Samsung and Viewsonic.
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This model has a S-IPS-panel (LG-Philips LM201U04). Like you say,
in their day this type of panel was the best for color-critical
work. S-IPS panels are weak in their blacks and today Samsungs
S-PVA panels are most likely the better option.
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That was an unfounded conclusion. It seems that S-IPS is still in the lead when it comes to color-gamut. The reference-monitor is the Eizo CG220 - it can show 100% of the AdobeRGB color space - and it uses a S-IPS-panel...

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Olaf

'Error is a portal to new discovery'
 
Samsung 204T has a 20 inch 16 ms S-PVA (Samsung LTM201U1) panel.

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JJMack
 
I replied to one of your posts a couple days ago and am really curious about your thoughts on the 2405's banding problem you described. I have noticed some artificat, but only when using CS2.
 
Eizo CE210W (widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

Eizo CE210W-K (widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

Eizo CE240W (widescreen) has a 24 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM240M2) panel.

Eizo CE240W-K (widescreen) has a 24 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM240M2) panel.
Eizo CG19 has a 19 inch 20 ms S-IPS (Hitachi NL128102BC29-01) panel.
Eizo CG21 has a 21 inch 50 ms S-IPS (Hitachi TX54D11VC0CAB) panel.
Eizo CG210 has a 21 inch 30 ms S-IPS (Hitachi TX54D11VC0CAC) panel.
Eizo CG210-K has a 21 inch 30 ms S-IPS (Hitachi TX54D11VC0CAC) panel.
Eizo CG220 has a 22 inch 37 ms S-IPS (Mitsubishi AA222ZA01) panel.
Eizo L551 has a 17 inch 16 ms TN panel.
Eizo L557 has a 17 inch 25 ms PVA (Samsung LTM170E6-L03) panel.
Eizo L560t-c has a 17 inch 25 ms PVA (Samsung) panel.
Eizo L560t-c-k has a 17 inch 25 ms PVA (Samsung) panel.
Eizo L565 has a 17 inch 35 ms S-IPS (Hitachi TX43D15VC0CAD) panel.
Eizo L567 has a 17 inch 35 ms S-IPS (Hitachi TX43D15VC0CAD) panel.
Eizo L568 has a 17 inch 25 ms PVA (Samsung LTM170E8-L02) panel.
Eizo L578 has a 17 inch 12 ms (g2g) PVA (Samsung LTM170E8) panel.
Eizo L760t-c has a 19 inch 20 ms PVA (Samsung) panel.
Eizo L760t-c-k has a 19 inch 20 ms PVA (Samsung) panel.
Eizo L767 has a 19 inch 25 ms PVA (Samsung LTM190E1-L03) panel.
Eizo L768 has a 19 inch 25 ms PVA (Samsung LTM190E4-L02) panel.
Eizo L768-AS has a 19 inch 25 ms PVA (Samsung LTM190E1-L03) panel.
Eizo L778 (M190) has a 19 inch 12 ms (g2g) PVA (Samsung LTM190E4) panel.
Eizo L788 has a 19 inch 25 ms PVA (Samsung LTM190E4-L02) panel.
Eizo L795 has a 19 inch 25 ms PVA (Samsung LTM190E1-L03) panel.
Eizo L797 has a 19 inch 20 ms SA-SFT (NEC NL128102BC29-01) panel.

Eizo L885 has a 20 inch 20 ms ASV (Sharp LQ201U1LW01 eller LQ201U1LW21 eller LQ201U1LW28) panel.
Eizo L887 has a 20 inch 20 ms ASV (Sharp LQ201U1LW21) panel.
Eizo L985EX has a 21 inch 40 ms S-IPS (Hitachi TX54D11VC0CAB) panel.
Eizo L997 has a 21 inch 30 ms S-IPS (Hitachi TX54D11VC0CAC) panel.
Eizo M1700 has a 17 inch 8 ms TN panel.
Eizo M1700-k has a 17 inch 8 ms TN panel.
Eizo M1900 has a 19 inch 8 ms TN panel.
Eizo M1900-K has a 19 inch 8 ms TN panel.
Eizo M1950 has a 19 inch 8 ms (g2g) PVA panel.
Eizo M1950-K has a 19 inch 8 ms (g2g) PVA panel.
Eizo M1950-S has a 19 inch 8 ms (g2g) PVA panel.
Eizo P1700 has a 17 inch 8 ms TN panel.
Eizo P1700-K has a 17 inch 8 ms TN panel.
Eizo S1910 has a 19 inch 12 ms (g2g) PVA panel.
Eizo S1910-K has a 19 inch 12 ms (g2g) PVA panel.
Eizo S1961 has a 17 inch 8 ms PVA (Samsung LTM170E8-L01) panel.
Eizo S2100 has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM213U6) panel.
Eizo S2100-K has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM213U6) panel.

Eizo S2110W (Widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

Eizo S2110W-K (Widescreen) has a 21 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM210M2) panel.

Eizo S2410W (widescreen) has a 24 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM240M2) panel.

Eizo S2410W-K (widescreen) has a 24 inch 8 ms (g2g) S-PVA (Samsung LTM240M2) panel.

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JJMack
 
Yes that is where I had the problem is CS2. Try creating a granger chart and look at it.

Granger Chart adapted from write up on Luminous Landscape

Create a new file. CTRL–N. I make mine 1600 Pixels by 1200 Pixels Resolution 300 dpi in 16 bit RGB mode White Background and advanced Color Profile Don't Color Manage this Document. Make sure that the Background color is White.

Create a new layer CTRL-SHIFT–N with the default settings of Normal, 100% Opacity & 100%.

Select the gradient tool (G) and then, from the Gradient Picker, the gradient called Spectrum. You may have to add 'Spectrum' from the drop-down menu within the Gradient Picker. Set the Mode to Normal and Opacity to 100%.

Draw a gradient from left to right across your document while holding down the Shift key. (This keeps the line and the gradient straight).

Create a new layer CTRL-SHIFT–N with the default settings of Normal, 100% Opacity & 100%.

Select the gradient tool (G) again, this time choose the 'Black, White' gradient from within the Gradient Picker. Draw a gradient from the bottom to the top your document while holding down the Shift key.

Finally, double click on the 'Layer 1' thumbnail of your Layers palette to call up the 'Layer Style' dialog box. Change the Blending Mode to 'Luminosity'.

Save the file in PSD format so it can be resized and not loose quality in a place where you won't misplace it.

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JJMack
 
dogmatic said:
What bothers me about it is that the black seems to be quite a bit
too light and that without calibration the colors aren't really
very accurate.
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I expect to always calibrate my monitors. Its just a (ah well-they won't let me say what kind of game--so lets say maybe 'dice') game otherwise for processing.

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Diane B
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