Oly 3040, Canon G1, Nikon 880 please advise.

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Hi,

I am looking for a digital camera. I would appreciate any advice, especially if anyone has had experience with all the above cameras. 80% of my shots will be quick and simple indoor snapshots of people. I will want manual control over the other 20% of my shots.

Aside from cropping, I do NOT want to spend time editing the photos in software. Because, most of my shots will be "point and shoot", I would like the camera that will give me the best quality shots in Auto mode.

Any insight will be appreciated. Thanks.

MM.
 
we all wish it were that simple to point and shoot...each is a good digital camera and depending on which you buy, you'll have to learn how to make digital "point and shoot" work and get the quality pictures you want, most of the time the settings have to be tweaked...sorry, it's not always going to be in full auto...although sometimes auto will surprise you. Canon has the lense above all else...
just a thought or two from a digital user
 
Mike, take the G-1 off the list. Auto is pretty much useless
except on clear nice days outside. Don't get me wrong, if the
light is good enough, auto works ok inside, but auto with the
flash is bad. The metering is not reliable. The color accuracy is
not reliable. Even the focus is not reliable for point and shoot
usage. The resolution is great, but you have to work to use it
properly. I don't know about the other cameras on your list
other than in store testing. For point and shoot, look at the
Casio. Same lens, more adjustments than the Canon, and it
actually works in auto mode. When you need the control for
the 20 percent you mentioned, it provides very good manual
control, aperature, and shutter priority modes. The absolute
resolution is not as good as the Canon, but in point and shoot,
it will capture 5 times as many usable images as the Canon, and
save you some money. It's biggest weakness is close macro.
By the way, my G-1 is one of the newer ones with the 1.002
firmware installed. The results I just posted are from the
cameras you can buy today, not those of 6 months ago.
we all wish it were that simple to point and shoot...each is a good
digital camera and depending on which you buy, you'll have to learn
how to make digital "point and shoot" work and get the quality
pictures you want, most of the time the settings have to be
tweaked...sorry, it's not always going to be in full
auto...although sometimes auto will surprise you. Canon has the
lense above all else...
just a thought or two from a digital user
 
Mike, take the G-1 off the list. Auto is pretty much useless
except on clear nice days outside. Don't get me wrong, if the
light is good enough, auto works ok inside, but auto with the
flash is bad. The metering is not reliable. The color accuracy is
not reliable. Even the focus is not reliable for point and shoot
usage. The resolution is great, but you have to work to use it
properly. I don't know about the other cameras on your list
other than in store testing. For point and shoot, look at the
Casio. Same lens, more adjustments than the Canon, and it
actually works in auto mode. When you need the control for
the 20 percent you mentioned, it provides very good manual
control, aperature, and shutter priority modes. The absolute
resolution is not as good as the Canon, but in point and shoot,
it will capture 5 times as many usable images as the Canon, and
save you some money. It's biggest weakness is close macro.
By the way, my G-1 is one of the newer ones with the 1.002
firmware installed. The results I just posted are from the
cameras you can buy today, not those of 6 months ago.
Which Casio are you referring to? Do you own both Canon G1 and the Casio? I too am in the market and have read about the Casio QV3000 and the Canon G1...

Dave
 
I "somewhat" agree with Bob. The G1 is not really a point and shoot camera. There is much more to it than just that. It is however capable of producing very good photos in AUTO mode> >
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&page=1&message=1249733

This photo was shot in full auto, macro mode, no flash, lighting was provided by dim outside light. The iso used in this photo was chosen by the camera...which by the way happens to be ISO 100. The camera EXIF data will not show the Iso settings, but since I shot several of these in an experiment of Raw vs jpeg, I know just by looking at the noise levels as compared to the Iso 50 photos. The photo is unedited except for resizing for the web. And it was a 1 shot deal! The original is available if you want it.
Now I don't know if this is acceptable to Bob, but for me the G1 rocks!
Good luck hunting!
nahau
Mike, take the G-1 off the list. Auto is pretty much useless
except on clear nice days outside. Don't get me wrong, if the
light is good enough, auto works ok inside, but auto with the
flash is bad. The metering is not reliable. The color accuracy is
not reliable. Even the focus is not reliable for point and shoot
usage. The resolution is great, but you have to work to use it
properly. I don't know about the other cameras on your list
other than in store testing. For point and shoot, look at the
Casio. Same lens, more adjustments than the Canon, and it
actually works in auto mode. When you need the control for
the 20 percent you mentioned, it provides very good manual
control, aperature, and shutter priority modes. The absolute
resolution is not as good as the Canon, but in point and shoot,
it will capture 5 times as many usable images as the Canon, and
save you some money. It's biggest weakness is close macro.
By the way, my G-1 is one of the newer ones with the 1.002
firmware installed. The results I just posted are from the
cameras you can buy today, not those of 6 months ago.
Which Casio are you referring to? Do you own both Canon G1 and the
Casio? I too am in the market and have read about the Casio QV3000
and the Canon G1...

Dave
 
nahau, no argument that when the G-1 works, it works well.
I do question the percentage of one shot captures in auto
that are that successful.
Dave, I bought the QV3000 on the last day of Jan. I took
right at 5000 images with it. The lens mechanism broke during
a trip shooting with it. Since I got the extended warranty, I
took it back to the store. The camera was discontinued, and
they don't carry the next version. I ended up swapping for the
G-1. That was three weeks and 700 images ago. My wife is
still PO'ed about losing the Casio, and as time goes by, I become
more upset every time I use the G-1. The metering gives you
two options that don't work well, while the Casio gave you three,
and they all worked. The Casio was so consistant that you could
correct one image out a batch, and then process the rest with
the same settings. The Canon is inconsistant, with every image
needing different touches. The auto mode on the Casio was very
usable and flexible. The auto mode on the Canon is like everything
else about the camera. Outside on a bright day, it is pretty good.
Inside, especially with flash, it is very bad unless the light is perfect.
You will find hundreds of references in this forum alone to keeping
the camera set to -2/3rds EV all the time. The lens is the same.
The range of f-stops and shutter speeds is the same on both
cameras, but the G-1 is crippled in how they can be used. With
the Canon, high shutter speeds can only be used with f-8. I have
some nice rollercoaster shots that were taken at 1000's f-2 with
the Casio. Because of the lighting, I could not have attempted
the shots with the G-1 because of the shutter speed aperature
bug. The Canon uses much slower shutter speeds for just about
everything, making things like flower or stop action shots much
harder, especially if the wind is blowing. The Casio had no prolems
with this, and I have a clear picture of a butterfly with it's wings
blown down flat on a lilac bush because the wind was howling at
over 40mph. Another shot impossible with the G-1. I have low
light stop the drops in mid air fountain shots taken with the Casio.
Don't know how I would take them with the G-1 at f-8 to use the
fast shutter speeds. Guess I would have had to go back the next
day. I shot a wedding in a dimly lit country church with the Casio
for the heck of it. Despite being handheld at slow shutter speeds
with no flash, so as to not make the pro mad, over half of the
shots are pretty good. In this case, the G-1 might do as well or
better, but I have not tried yet. To take a picture of a red rose
with the Casio, you put it in auto, and might have to adjust the EV
a little for lighting. I have not yet been able to capture this shot
with proper color in any mode using the G-1. The G-1 has better
resolution, but to use it you have to carry a gray card, a reliable
meter, and learn to work the camera. With the Casio, 90 percent
of the time, you just point and shoot. The manual stuff is all there
for the times it is needed, which isn't often. Like i said, the Casio
is really bad at close macro. In the end, if you want to learn to
use manual settings, use a gray card, a meter, and shoot everything
three times in hopes that one of them is usable, it does take
images with a better resolution. If you want to pick it up, turn it
on, and take pictures, then get the Casio. The G-1 is built stronger,
but don't let that fool you. Read this forum and you will find that
one small ding and the warranty is void. The G-1 has a built in lens
thread. The Casio requires a lens thread adaptor that will cost you
60$. The Casio is plastic, but the only reported denial of warranty
that I know of came from being dropped in water. Despite being
made of plastic, the Casio went thru 5000 images with me, mostly
out doors on the farm hanging around my neck. It did not have
a scratch on it when it broke. The Casio is easier to hold and
operate. You do have to use menus for some things you don't
have to with the G-1, but those menus are very well designed.
I could operate it in the dark with no problem. The very best ISO
50 images from the G-1 are better than the very best Casio
images because of the resolution advantage. On everyday point
and shoot pictures, the Casio wins by a large margin because
most of the images will be usable. I have a series of rose shots
from yesterday taken with a tripod, using the ten second delay,
taken in p/macro with the G-1. None of the shots are usable,
because the camera never did clearly focus on the bloom. I take
that back, one of the bud shots may be usable. Even if the
focus had been correct, they would all have to be corrected
for color, as the bloom has a pink lip. I am disgusted with the G-1,
and wonder how something this clutsy could be considered the
top anything but doorstop. Maybe I have a really bad G-1, but
you will find that most of the folks here shut up when I post the
truth about this camera. You will notice that no one has
answered my challenge to post a recognizable picture of a named
red rose. You will notice that compensation for this or that
seems to be the main topic of discussion on this forum. I don't
think it is just my camera.

Mike, take the G-1 off the list. Auto is pretty much useless
except on clear nice days outside. Don't get me wrong, if the
light is good enough, auto works ok inside, but auto with the
flash is bad. The metering is not reliable. The color accuracy is
not reliable. Even the focus is not reliable for point and shoot
usage. The resolution is great, but you have to work to use it
properly. I don't know about the other cameras on your list
other than in store testing. For point and shoot, look at the
Casio. Same lens, more adjustments than the Canon, and it
actually works in auto mode. When you need the control for
the 20 percent you mentioned, it provides very good manual
control, aperature, and shutter priority modes. The absolute
resolution is not as good as the Canon, but in point and shoot,
it will capture 5 times as many usable images as the Canon, and
save you some money. It's biggest weakness is close macro.
By the way, my G-1 is one of the newer ones with the 1.002
firmware installed. The results I just posted are from the
cameras you can buy today, not those of 6 months ago.
Which Casio are you referring to? Do you own both Canon G1 and the
Casio? I too am in the market and have read about the Casio QV3000
and the Canon G1...

Dave
 
Gee Bob, you should be a novelist! Why don't you just sell the camera already! I would like to see all these amazing Casio photos you always refer to though. Do you have a current posting somewhere?
nahau
Mike, take the G-1 off the list. Auto is pretty much useless
except on clear nice days outside. Don't get me wrong, if the
light is good enough, auto works ok inside, but auto with the
flash is bad. The metering is not reliable. The color accuracy is
not reliable. Even the focus is not reliable for point and shoot
usage. The resolution is great, but you have to work to use it
properly. I don't know about the other cameras on your list
other than in store testing. For point and shoot, look at the
Casio. Same lens, more adjustments than the Canon, and it
actually works in auto mode. When you need the control for
the 20 percent you mentioned, it provides very good manual
control, aperature, and shutter priority modes. The absolute
resolution is not as good as the Canon, but in point and shoot,
it will capture 5 times as many usable images as the Canon, and
save you some money. It's biggest weakness is close macro.
By the way, my G-1 is one of the newer ones with the 1.002
firmware installed. The results I just posted are from the
cameras you can buy today, not those of 6 months ago.
Which Casio are you referring to? Do you own both Canon G1 and the
Casio? I too am in the market and have read about the Casio QV3000
and the Canon G1...

Dave
 
Bob,

Here is a photo of a red hibiscus shot in manual mode with EV set at auto...it is unedited except for resizing for the web. Why I shot in manual instead of auto is beyond me as I don't recall. It could be the fact that I rarely use auto mode...I normally use all the rest! How the camera would have rendered this flower in auto should really not be the question unless that is the "only" mode you ever shoot in...in which case why even have a multimode camera! Many photographers, amatuers and pros alike use different lighting techniques. Umbrellas, strobes, studio, etc,etc,etc to get the effect they want out of the shoot. A lot of the set up takes time and trial and error makes better photographers and photographs. I do not dispute that the G1 is an "unperfect" camera, but to blast it as if it were "useless" is really uncalled for. Just because you cannot get your rose to look the way you want it to in bright sunlight, with whipping winds, is no reason to say the G1 is incapable of taking good photos. True that there are many problems brought out in these forums...in all of them...but if you actually only want to hear praises sung for each camera it would surely make for a rather boring place. Now I normally stay out of camera comparison posts, but every time I see your name, I expect to see you blasting the G1. Once in awhile, someone has to come in and give an opposing opinion. I am truly sorry that you are having the problems you state, and while I do sometimes get that unfocused photo, or that blown out red, it is not just the G1 that suffers from these things. I do whatever I need to do to get the photo I want and lighting to me is the most critical. If you cannot get your roses to look color correct, then change the environment...unless that is too much to ask of yourself. Maybe Casios are perfect...I wouldn't know as I never considered them during my hunt for a digital.

By the way, the hibiscus is a little blown out at the top, but this I know is true...I could have captured this with no blown out highlights had I even tried.



nahau
Mike, take the G-1 off the list. Auto is pretty much useless
except on clear nice days outside. Don't get me wrong, if the
light is good enough, auto works ok inside, but auto with the
flash is bad. The metering is not reliable. The color accuracy is
not reliable. Even the focus is not reliable for point and shoot
usage. The resolution is great, but you have to work to use it
properly. I don't know about the other cameras on your list
other than in store testing. For point and shoot, look at the
Casio. Same lens, more adjustments than the Canon, and it
actually works in auto mode. When you need the control for
the 20 percent you mentioned, it provides very good manual
control, aperature, and shutter priority modes. The absolute
resolution is not as good as the Canon, but in point and shoot,
it will capture 5 times as many usable images as the Canon, and
save you some money. It's biggest weakness is close macro.
By the way, my G-1 is one of the newer ones with the 1.002
firmware installed. The results I just posted are from the
cameras you can buy today, not those of 6 months ago.
Which Casio are you referring to? Do you own both Canon G1 and the
Casio? I too am in the market and have read about the Casio QV3000
and the Canon G1...

Dave
 
nahau, I have set up shades, used flash, not used flash, used
morning light, mid day light, evening light, aperature, shutter,
all the EV correction the camera offers, and even modes that
should not be used with macro at all. I have shot exposure
series in just about every kind of light except night time. About
a third of the 700 shots I have taken with the camera are of
roses. I bought a camera with modes other than auto for the
difficult shots, not the easy every day shots. Sorry if expecting
a camera that cost 800$ to work offends you. As far as the
Casio shots, I will upload a few in the next few minutes. I did
not buy a memership at Photopoint, so I only have storage for
10 photos. I will upload and link 4 for you. The other slots are
already linked to other messages. All of them will be auto mode
shots, unless you want me to post something else. I don't
know how many digital cameras you have used, but this is my
third, and it is the only one to have these problems. By the way.
Sorry about being long winded when I post. That is just me.
I tend to ramble. It will take a while to get the photos together,
as i post most of the rose shots to a forum where they have to
be under 60k. I will post larger here.


nahau
Mike, take the G-1 off the list. Auto is pretty much useless
except on clear nice days outside. Don't get me wrong, if the
light is good enough, auto works ok inside, but auto with the
flash is bad. The metering is not reliable. The color accuracy is
not reliable. Even the focus is not reliable for point and shoot
usage. The resolution is great, but you have to work to use it
properly. I don't know about the other cameras on your list
other than in store testing. For point and shoot, look at the
Casio. Same lens, more adjustments than the Canon, and it
actually works in auto mode. When you need the control for
the 20 percent you mentioned, it provides very good manual
control, aperature, and shutter priority modes. The absolute
resolution is not as good as the Canon, but in point and shoot,
it will capture 5 times as many usable images as the Canon, and
save you some money. It's biggest weakness is close macro.
By the way, my G-1 is one of the newer ones with the 1.002
firmware installed. The results I just posted are from the
cameras you can buy today, not those of 6 months ago.
Which Casio are you referring to? Do you own both Canon G1 and the
Casio? I too am in the market and have read about the Casio QV3000
and the Canon G1...

Dave
 
Mike, take the G-1 off the list. Auto is pretty much useless
except on clear nice days outside. Don't get me wrong, if the
In response to Bob, I agree. The G1 full auto is not great. However, P mode is almost as easy to use but works much better!

As far as your original question, the camera on your list that seems odd is the Nikon 880. This camera does not come close to the manual features that you get with the 3040 and the G1. If these manual features are important, then you should be considering the 3040, G1 and the 990/995.

I own the G1 and am very impressed with most of the photos I get. It has quirks like all other cameras in it's class, but it has worked very well for me.
 
In response to Bob: Check out my gallery and see if you see any problems....no you don't. Sounds like user error to me.
http://www.fototime.com/inv/6C7F57683CC8E22
Mike, take the G-1 off the list. Auto is pretty much useless
except on clear nice days outside. Don't get me wrong, if the
In response to Bob, I agree. The G1 full auto is not great.
However, P mode is almost as easy to use but works much better!

As far as your original question, the camera on your list that
seems odd is the Nikon 880. This camera does not come close to the
manual features that you get with the 3040 and the G1. If these
manual features are important, then you should be considering the
3040, G1 and the 990/995.

I own the G1 and am very impressed with most of the photos I get.
It has quirks like all other cameras in it's class, but it has
worked very well for me.
 
I bought my G1 in early January, and it's my second digicam. I'm very pleased with it. I knew many of the limitation going in, since they are many of the same limitations posessed by other brands and models, focusing being the biggest issue. I have a group of friends with many differest digicam models, and we will swap with each other or a day or a week, and I'm always happy to get my G1 back. I have very little problem with exposure compensation, macro focusing, or CA. I do find that if I try to focuson a moving object the camera tends to focus on an unmoving background, but almost all of the currect crop of digicams have this problem. I understand that Minolta's new Dimage models have gotten this under control, but I have yet to see one.

My first digicam was a Coolpix 990, and I still have a soft spot in my heart for it. It too was less than perfect, and so are all of the other digicams I've tried. I learned to work with the G1's character and now I wouldn't consider another brand or model, at lest for a few more years; at that time my options will be wide open again.

--rhb
Mike, take the G-1 off the list. Auto is pretty much useless
except on clear nice days outside. Don't get me wrong, if the
In response to Bob, I agree. The G1 full auto is not great.
However, P mode is almost as easy to use but works much better!

As far as your original question, the camera on your list that
seems odd is the Nikon 880. This camera does not come close to the
manual features that you get with the 3040 and the G1. If these
manual features are important, then you should be considering the
3040, G1 and the 990/995.

I own the G1 and am very impressed with most of the photos I get.
It has quirks like all other cameras in it's class, but it has
worked very well for me.
 
Sam, the rose in your gallery shows exactly the problems I
pointed out.
nahau, Photopoint will no longer allow linking directly to a photo
if you are not a member, so I copied the url and will give you that.
The last four pictures are the ones I posted.

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1521651&a=13405867

The first is an auto point and shoot at Six Flags. It has not been
touched other than cropping and resizing. Not even USM. You
said you like color.
The second is also a special for you taken in bright sunlight on auto
at Six Flags on the same day. You did say you liked color. Light USM
The third is also from that same day, except it is at closing time, in
very dark conditions. Light USM
The fourth is what the Prince looks like when the color is captured
as it is. It is also untouched. I had a better image of it, but decided
to use the full sunlight auto mode shot as an example.
The original poster here asked about a camera that can be used
80 percent of the time as a point and shoot in auto mode. That
is not the G-1 by any stretch of the imagination. The option I
offered gives him full manual controls if they are needed, but also
gived excellent results by turning it on and pushing the button.
My first digicam was a Coolpix 990, and I still have a soft spot in
my heart for it. It too was less than perfect, and so are all of
the other digicams I've tried. I learned to work with the G1's
character and now I wouldn't consider another brand or model, at
lest for a few more years; at that time my options will be wide
open again.

--rhb
Mike, take the G-1 off the list. Auto is pretty much useless
except on clear nice days outside. Don't get me wrong, if the
In response to Bob, I agree. The G1 full auto is not great.
However, P mode is almost as easy to use but works much better!

As far as your original question, the camera on your list that
seems odd is the Nikon 880. This camera does not come close to the
manual features that you get with the 3040 and the G1. If these
manual features are important, then you should be considering the
3040, G1 and the 990/995.

I own the G1 and am very impressed with most of the photos I get.
It has quirks like all other cameras in it's class, but it has
worked very well for me.
 
Sam, the rose in your gallery shows exactly the problems I
pointed out.
I didn't see a rose in his gallery--just 2 peonies. The rose arrangement, I believe, was silk flowers.
 
Diane, sorry. I assumed the blown out un-focused red thing
was a rose. This is one of the common behaviors of the camera
I have. It captures the foliage ok, but loses focus on the bloom.
It doesn't seem to matter if I use the tripod, spot meter, zoom,
or anything else that is consistant enough to be predictably worked
around. It is possible that I have a bad camera. If so, it takes
pretty good shots of other subjects in good light with no adjustment
other than EV comp. The big problems of the reds in those more
normal pictures, is that they are consistantly brighter than the
surrounding image. I looked at more than a few galleries on the
web, and I find the same thing in every one. This leads me to
believe that it is not just my camera. Don't get me wrong. I wish
someone would tell me it is just operator error, and give me some
tips as to how to fix it that work. That hasn't happened tho. There
is a thread here on restoring the reds in roses. Using it produces
flat lifeless roses that don't look at all like the original. If roses seems
to be a consistant theme wth me, there is a good reason. I grow
250 or so named bushes, and I hybridize my own also. Right now
I am growing about 350 bushes. Getting their color right is a big
deal to me.
Sam, the rose in your gallery shows exactly the problems I
pointed out.
I didn't see a rose in his gallery--just 2 peonies. The rose
arrangement, I believe, was silk flowers.
 
Bob,

I checked your link. I only see one rose photo there...not 4. Could you check to see what happened? I understand what the original poster was asking. I was not trying to sway him to the G1, I was just stating a fact that the camera can take excellent photos in auto and not botch up as often as you claimed. Now I don't shoot roses, but 95% of what I have taken out of 5500 photos turned out fine. Probably less than 25 shots were done in auto mode.
nahau

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1521651&a=13405867

The first is an auto point and shoot at Six Flags. It has not been
touched other than cropping and resizing. Not even USM. You
said you like color.
The second is also a special for you taken in bright sunlight on auto
at Six Flags on the same day. You did say you liked color. Light USM
The third is also from that same day, except it is at closing time, in
very dark conditions. Light USM
The fourth is what the Prince looks like when the color is captured
as it is. It is also untouched. I had a better image of it, but
decided
to use the full sunlight auto mode shot as an example.
The original poster here asked about a camera that can be used
80 percent of the time as a point and shoot in auto mode. That
is not the G-1 by any stretch of the imagination. The option I
offered gives him full manual controls if they are needed, but also
gived excellent results by turning it on and pushing the button.
My first digicam was a Coolpix 990, and I still have a soft spot in
my heart for it. It too was less than perfect, and so are all of
the other digicams I've tried. I learned to work with the G1's
character and now I wouldn't consider another brand or model, at
lest for a few more years; at that time my options will be wide
open again.

--rhb
Mike, take the G-1 off the list. Auto is pretty much useless
except on clear nice days outside. Don't get me wrong, if the
In response to Bob, I agree. The G1 full auto is not great.
However, P mode is almost as easy to use but works much better!

As far as your original question, the camera on your list that
seems odd is the Nikon 880. This camera does not come close to the
manual features that you get with the 3040 and the G1. If these
manual features are important, then you should be considering the
3040, G1 and the 990/995.

I own the G1 and am very impressed with most of the photos I get.
It has quirks like all other cameras in it's class, but it has
worked very well for me.
 
Bob,

It doesn't offend me that you expect this $800 camera to work in "easy everyday situations", but capturing unblown reds is one of the most difficult for any digital camera in this price range. The Sony s85 "supposedly" renders red the best as far as phils color charts suggest in that cameras review (as compared to it's competition). I speculate that Sony being the oversaturate king of kings will still have problems capturing unblown reds in what you call "easy everyday situations" without some kind of manual intervention. The only digital I have owned is the G1, but have shot with a Sony Mavica, a cp950, and a cp990. I have used these cameras at work for various different projects over the course of years. They all work fine, but I still like my G1 the best for color rendition. It may just be my personal taste of course. Believe me, I have no brand loyalty!
nahau


nahau
Mike, take the G-1 off the list. Auto is pretty much useless
except on clear nice days outside. Don't get me wrong, if the
light is good enough, auto works ok inside, but auto with the
flash is bad. The metering is not reliable. The color accuracy is
not reliable. Even the focus is not reliable for point and shoot
usage. The resolution is great, but you have to work to use it
properly. I don't know about the other cameras on your list
other than in store testing. For point and shoot, look at the
Casio. Same lens, more adjustments than the Canon, and it
actually works in auto mode. When you need the control for
the 20 percent you mentioned, it provides very good manual
control, aperature, and shutter priority modes. The absolute
resolution is not as good as the Canon, but in point and shoot,
it will capture 5 times as many usable images as the Canon, and
save you some money. It's biggest weakness is close macro.
By the way, my G-1 is one of the newer ones with the 1.002
firmware installed. The results I just posted are from the
cameras you can buy today, not those of 6 months ago.
Which Casio are you referring to? Do you own both Canon G1 and the
Casio? I too am in the market and have read about the Casio QV3000
and the Canon G1...

Dave
 
Bob,

Did you mean to say that the G1 has a threaded lens?
I read Phil's review and he said that the G1 requires an optional
adapter to add lenses. Does the G1 require a lens adapter
to put on a UV filter?

--Geri
 
Bob,

Did you mean to say that the G1 has a threaded lens?
I read Phil's review and he said that the G1 requires an optional
adapter to add lenses. Does the G1 require a lens adapter
to put on a UV filter?

--Geri
Geri, you do need an adaptor to thread the lens onto--a Lensmate, Tiffen, Canon, etc. I leave mine on all the time by preference because its easier to handle for me. If you want it more compact to slip into a pocket, you might not want to leave it on all the time.
 
nahau, you asked for some of the photo's from the Casio that
were taken in auto mode. I tried to give a broad sample in a
few pics, not just roses. The pictures I posted all offered
situations where the G-1 has problems, that the Casio does
perfectly without doing anything but turning it on. I included
one rose shot because of that. If you want more rose photos, I
have several hundred photos of red roses taken with it.
I took my father out shopping yesterday for a camera that provided
turn it on point and shoot simplicity for my mother's birthday.
We bought a Casio QV3000 for her. I bought the adaptor, UV
filter, and the polarizing fliter for the G-1. I have to run some
test shots to see if it helped anything. Indoors, the UV filter
makes the reds look more saturated in the LCD, but I will shoot
a series of test shots.
You said that less than 25 shots were taken in Auto mode of the
5500 you mention taking. If this is so, how can you recommend this
camera to someone that specifically stated that they wanted a
simple point and shoot?
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=1521651&a=13405867

The first is an auto point and shoot at Six Flags. It has not been
touched other than cropping and resizing. Not even USM. You
said you like color.
The second is also a special for you taken in bright sunlight on auto
at Six Flags on the same day. You did say you liked color. Light USM
The third is also from that same day, except it is at closing time, in
very dark conditions. Light USM
The fourth is what the Prince looks like when the color is captured
as it is. It is also untouched. I had a better image of it, but
decided
to use the full sunlight auto mode shot as an example.
The original poster here asked about a camera that can be used
80 percent of the time as a point and shoot in auto mode. That
is not the G-1 by any stretch of the imagination. The option I
offered gives him full manual controls if they are needed, but also
gived excellent results by turning it on and pushing the button.
My first digicam was a Coolpix 990, and I still have a soft spot in
my heart for it. It too was less than perfect, and so are all of
the other digicams I've tried. I learned to work with the G1's
character and now I wouldn't consider another brand or model, at
lest for a few more years; at that time my options will be wide
open again.

--rhb
Mike, take the G-1 off the list. Auto is pretty much useless
except on clear nice days outside. Don't get me wrong, if the
In response to Bob, I agree. The G1 full auto is not great.
However, P mode is almost as easy to use but works much better!

As far as your original question, the camera on your list that
seems odd is the Nikon 880. This camera does not come close to the
manual features that you get with the 3040 and the G1. If these
manual features are important, then you should be considering the
3040, G1 and the 990/995.

I own the G1 and am very impressed with most of the photos I get.
It has quirks like all other cameras in it's class, but it has
worked very well for me.
 

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