Spectraview II puck with non-NEC LCD?

[Macro]

Anyone successfully using an NEC Spectraview II (x-Rite) puck with a non-NEC (non-wide gamut) LCD? Which calibration software?

Everything works great with my NEC PA241W.

Would like to calibrate a second non-NEC (non-wide gamut) panel without buying another puck.

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[Mitrajoon]

Yes, but you can't use the spectraview software. You need to download the imatch software: http://www.xritephoto.com/ph_product_overview.aspx?action=support&id=758
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[Macro]

Yes, but you can't use the spectraview software. You need to download the imatch software: http://www.xritephoto.com/ph_product_overview.aspx?action=support&id=758

Have you had success with the Spectraview puck on a third-party non-wide gamut monitor?

I tried the i1Match software, but it doesn't seem to work as well as my older Spyder2Pro kit with my ViewSonic VP930b. Will test i1Match again in both auto/manual cal mode.

When I asked X-rite, their reply was...

"The NEC Custom i1Display has a special calibration matrix designed specifically for their NEC displays only. Because of that, you might not get optimal results using that NEC colorimeter with i1Match3 on the Viewsonic monitor. "

Makes sense, but I was hoping to get by with only one puck.

Anyone else?

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[Mitrajoon]

Yes, I use it to calibrate my laptop.
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[Master468]

"The NEC Custom i1Display has a special calibration matrix designed specifically for their NEC displays only. Because of that, you might not get optimal results using that NEC colorimeter with i1Match3 on the Viewsonic monitor. "

Makes sense, but I was hoping to get by with only one puck.

The EOD2 holds two correction matrices. One for CRTs and one for TFTs with CCFL backlight (72% NTSC). It is likely that NEC has replaced the CRT matrix with one for their WCG-CCFL screens. Outside SV II the "NEC EOD2" should behave like a normal EOD2 - so you should be able to calibrate a LCD with CCFL backlight (72% NTSC),

Best regards

Denis

 

[Marcus Mars]

What about the other way around? Would it be possible to use a regular E1D2 (non-NEC) to calibrate a NEC display with Spectraview II and get accurate results?

I have recently purchased a 2490WUXI2 and was hoping to use my existing E1D2 to calibrate it with Spectraview II (software only).

 

[Msongs]

using my epson 4800 and the epson vivid setting prints are nearly an exact match with monitor!

also wondered about using the NEC puck as friends have asked me to calibrate their screens. so I would download the other xrite software and use it with this puck and get fair results?
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[Will49]

What about the other way around? Would it be possible to use a regular E1D2 (non-NEC) to calibrate a NEC display with Spectraview II and get accurate results?

I have recently purchased a 2490WUXI2 and was hoping to use my existing E1D2 to calibrate it with Spectraview II (software only).

Since the LCD2490WUXi2 is an sRGB based display, the standard LCD sensor matrix will be used anyway with SpectraViewII (the custom calibrated matrix on the sensor is only used with wide color gamut models like the LCD2690WUXi). So you can use either the NEC or X-Rite branded sensors with this display with no difference in quality.

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Will Hollingworth
Sr. Product Development Manager
NEC Display Solutions of America, Inc.

 

[Marcus Mars]

That’s great! Thanks.

 

[bronxbombers]

What about the other way around? Would it be possible to use a regular E1D2 (non-NEC) to calibrate a NEC display with Spectraview II and get accurate results?

I have recently purchased a 2490WUXI2 and was hoping to use my existing E1D2 to calibrate it with Spectraview II (software only).

If the compensation is done within the software and not within the puck's table, then yes BUT the off the shelf i1D2 are known to have very poor instrument to instrument agreement. The puck from the NEC will likely do as well as the $800 i1Pro since NEC custom calibrates each off the shelf puck to a known standard while the off the shelf puck would be a total gamble, some will be great, many mediocre and quite a few very poor (some tests found many copies as much as 15dE off!).

 

[bronxbombers]

What about the other way around? Would it be possible to use a regular E1D2 (non-NEC) to calibrate a NEC display with Spectraview II and get accurate results?

I have recently purchased a 2490WUXI2 and was hoping to use my existing E1D2 to calibrate it with Spectraview II (software only).

Since the LCD2490WUXi2 is an sRGB based display, the standard LCD sensor matrix will be used anyway with SpectraViewII (the custom calibrated matrix on the sensor is only used with wide color gamut models like the LCD2690WUXi). So you can use either the NEC or X-Rite branded sensors with this display with no difference in quality.

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Will Hollingworth
Sr. Product Development Manager
NEC Display Solutions of America, Inc.

Wouldn't that mean that the NEC puck would do just as poorly as an off the shelf i1D2 on any non-wide gamut NEC then and be something to be avoided for the non-wide gamut models?

(It does seem to do very well on something like the PA241W for instance though.)

 

[Marcus Mars]

If the compensation is done within the software and not within the puck's table, then yes BUT the off the shelf i1D2 are known to have very poor instrument to instrument agreement. The puck from the NEC will likely do as well as the $800 i1Pro since NEC custom calibrates each off the shelf puck to a known standard while the off the shelf puck would be a total gamble, some will be great, many mediocre and quite a few very poor (some tests found many copies as much as 15dE off!).

I’m not sure where did you get this information from, but I was reading a post from someone apparently involved with the development of the ChromaPure calibration software, and according to him the off the shelf i1D2 should be factory calibrated:

"Unlike the (only slightly) lower priced Spyder meters, the X-Rite Eye One Display 2 is calibrated at the factory as they come off the assembly line. As such, our experience has been that they are all reasonably accurate consistent from unit to unit. This factory calibration most certainly has a lot to do with it."

The full post, which is actually an FAQ on colorimeters and includes mini "reviews" of many others, can be found here:

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11436

It is interesting reading for anyone interested in monitor calibration IMHO.

 

[bronxbombers]

search some of my other posts for the links, tests were carried out by a VERY big name in color science too

and someone on luminous landscape also just found some pretty terrible results for an off the shelf i1d2

If the compensation is done within the software and not within the puck's table, then yes BUT the off the shelf i1D2 are known to have very poor instrument to instrument agreement. The puck from the NEC will likely do as well as the $800 i1Pro since NEC custom calibrates each off the shelf puck to a known standard while the off the shelf puck would be a total gamble, some will be great, many mediocre and quite a few very poor (some tests found many copies as much as 15dE off!).

I’m not sure where did you get this information from, but I was reading a post from someone apparently involved with the development of the ChromaPure calibration software, and according to him the off the shelf i1D2 should be factory calibrated:

"Unlike the (only slightly) lower priced Spyder meters, the X-Rite Eye One Display 2 is calibrated at the factory as they come off the assembly line. As such, our experience has been that they are all reasonably accurate consistent from unit to unit. This factory calibration most certainly has a lot to do with it."

The full post, which is actually an FAQ on colorimeters and includes mini "reviews" of many others, can be found here:

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11436

It is interesting reading for anyone interested in monitor calibration IMHO.

 

[probep]

I’m not sure where did you get this information from, but I was reading a post from someone apparently involved with the development of the ChromaPure calibration software, and according to him the off the shelf i1D2 should be factory calibrated:

"Unlike the (only slightly) lower priced Spyder meters, the X-Rite Eye One Display 2 is calibrated at the factory as they come off the assembly line. As such, our experience has been that they are all reasonably accurate consistent from unit to unit. This factory calibration most certainly has a lot to do with it."

The full post, which is actually an FAQ on colorimeters and includes mini "reviews" of many others, can be found here:

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11436

It is interesting reading for anyone interested in monitor calibration IMHO.

The quality of an i1Display 2/LT (as well as NEC custom calibrated i1D2) is awful.
Look at filters and sensors of the i1Display:
http://resetters.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=13133
http://resetters.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=13134

Dimensions of filters are different and some of them do not cover filter apertures.
In addition these plastic filters become dimmed after a year or two.
NEC custom calibrated i1D2 (NEC MDSVSENSOR2) has the same features.

 

[Marcus Mars]

Yes those filters and sensor look quite cheap indeed. Actually if you look at the post I mentioned there is a list of colorimeters, and the i1D2 is included as the second worst, the worst being the spyders 1/2/3.

Nonetheless, my i1D2 did a pretty decent job so far with my displays, so considering its price tag I can’t really complain.

 

[bronxbombers]

I’m not sure where did you get this information from, but I was reading a post from someone apparently involved with the development of the ChromaPure calibration software, and according to him the off the shelf i1D2 should be factory calibrated:

"Unlike the (only slightly) lower priced Spyder meters, the X-Rite Eye One Display 2 is calibrated at the factory as they come off the assembly line. As such, our experience has been that they are all reasonably accurate consistent from unit to unit. This factory calibration most certainly has a lot to do with it."

The full post, which is actually an FAQ on colorimeters and includes mini "reviews" of many others, can be found here:

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11436

It is interesting reading for anyone interested in monitor calibration IMHO.

The quality of an i1Display 2/LT (as well as NEC custom calibrated i1D2) is awful.
Look at filters and sensors of the i1Display:
http://resetters.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=13133
http://resetters.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=13134

Dimensions of filters are different and some of them do not cover filter apertures.
In addition these plastic filters become dimmed after a year or two.
NEC custom calibrated i1D2 (NEC MDSVSENSOR2) has the same features.

Well I can't speak as to how long it will perform well, but the custom NEC one does appear to do very well on my wide gamut NEC PA241W, it gives almost identical readouts to my i1Pro, mostly 0.000-0.001 difference, a couple 0.002 and one 0.003.

Off the shelf, they are supposed to be very variable, horrible so even.

 

[Marcus Mars]

Well I can't speak as to how long it will perform well, but the custom NEC one does appear to do very well on my wide gamut NEC PA241W, it gives almost identical readouts to my i1Pro, mostly 0.000-0.001 difference, a couple 0.002 and one 0.003.

Off the shelf, they are supposed to be very variable, horrible so even.

Very interesting. How about the i1Pro?

I understand that it is supposed to be much more accurate and non degradable, but how does it actually perform when it comes to gamma and contrast measurements? Is it true that being a true spectrophotometer its low-light sensitivity is not so great, and therefore the use of a colorimeter for such measurements would be necessary anyway?

 

[bronxbombers]

Well I can't speak as to how long it will perform well, but the custom NEC one does appear to do very well on my wide gamut NEC PA241W, it gives almost identical readouts to my i1Pro, mostly 0.000-0.001 difference, a couple 0.002 and one 0.003.

Off the shelf, they are supposed to be very variable, horrible so even.

Very interesting. How about the i1Pro?

I understand that it is supposed to be much more accurate and non degradable, but how does it actually perform when it comes to gamma and contrast measurements? Is it true that being a true spectrophotometer its low-light sensitivity is not so great, and therefore the use of a colorimeter for such measurements would be necessary anyway?

I haven't looked into that in enough detail yet to say. I do read reports that it does suffer from a bit poor SNR once you get below a certain threshold.

For the the way the NEC PA series appears to get handled though I'm not sure it matters much. They appear to rely on the fact that their 3D LUT + system will behave very uniformly and linearly where needed so I don't think it really even comes into play on that series in any practical way. Using it with many other monitors or HDTVs it might though.

 

[chevysales]

I’m not sure where did you get this information from, but I was reading a post from someone apparently involved with the development of the ChromaPure calibration software, and according to him the off the shelf i1D2 should be factory calibrated:

"Unlike the (only slightly) lower priced Spyder meters, the X-Rite Eye One Display 2 is calibrated at the factory as they come off the assembly line. As such, our experience has been that they are all reasonably accurate consistent from unit to unit. This factory calibration most certainly has a lot to do with it."

The full post, which is actually an FAQ on colorimeters and includes mini "reviews" of many others, can be found here:

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11436

It is interesting reading for anyone interested in monitor calibration IMHO.

The quality of an i1Display 2/LT (as well as NEC custom calibrated i1D2) is awful.
Look at filters and sensors of the i1Display:
http://resetters.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=13133
http://resetters.ru/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=13134

Dimensions of filters are different and some of them do not cover filter apertures.
In addition these plastic filters become dimmed after a year or two.
NEC custom calibrated i1D2 (NEC MDSVSENSOR2) has the same features.

wow!

i swore by i1Display2 pucks on my monitor while using nx2, etc.

i tried a new spyder3 elite with new software (version 4, free for recent spyder3 elite buyers) and an absolutely huge difference. and for the past year many told me they were getting better results from the spyders and i poo-poo'd them as i relied on the great de numbers i got instead of what i was actually seeing visually.

OP: sorry didn't mean to take your thread in a different direction but if i would like to know your results and if you used latest i1 software for windows i think version 3.62?
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[Marcus Mars]

wow!

i swore by i1Display2 pucks on my monitor while using nx2, etc.

i tried a new spyder3 elite with new software (version 4, free for recent spyder3 elite buyers) and an absolutely huge difference. and for the past year many told me they were getting better results from the spyders and i poo-poo'd them as i relied on the great de numbers i got instead of what i was actually seeing visually.

OP: sorry didn't mean to take your thread in a different direction but if i would like to know your results and if you used latest i1 software for windows i think version 3.62?
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D700 paired with 24-70 f2.8 and 70-200vr f2.8

In addition to the numbers you can always visually check the results of calibration using some charts such as here

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/calibrating.htm

and here

http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/

I can tell that my i1D2 has done a great job so far.