Yet another post on how to do automatic focus bracketing

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I've read several posts here and watched a few YouTube videos that some posts link to, and I can say that none of them actually include all of the information one needs for focus bracketing. So, I spent over an hour trying to get it to work on my X-T4, and finally got it. Here's what you need to do, without any missing steps.

The details here are for the X-T4. Probably other X cameras that have focus bracketing are similar.

First, this is just bracketing: Shooting a sequence of images. Merging them into a single all-in-focus image -- focus stacking -- isn't done by the camera, as far as I can tell. I use Lightroom + Photoshop for that, but there's lots of other software out there. Here I'm just discussing focus bracketing, so it's all in-camera.

Second, this is automatic focus bracketing. You can certainly just take a sequence of images by clicking the shutter repeatedly, changing the focus point each time.

1. This is kind of bracketing, so set your drive dial to BKT. On my X-T4, that's under the ISO on the left top of the camera. (This is the step I was missing.)

2. There are several kinds of bracketing (AE, ISO, FOCUS, etc.) so you need to set the camera to FOCUS BKT. On the SHOOTING SETTING menu, choose DRIVE SETTING and then BKT SETTING and then BKT SELECT. This is the first option, not to be confused with the FOCUS BKT option at the end of the list.

3. On the BKT SELECT menu, choose FOCUS BKT. This makes the drive dial BKT setting do focus bracketing rather than any other kind of bracketing.

4. Now, back on the BKT SETTING menu, choose the last option, labeled FOCUS BKT. (This is labeled the same as FOCUS BKT on the BKT SELECT menu, but it is not the same thing.) You'll see two options: MANUAL and AUTO. What confused me is that all that's MANUAL is choosing the settings. In the end, if the drive dial is on BKT, it's still automatic focus bracketing -- the camera takes the images with a single shutter press.

5. If you choose MANUAL, you can set the FRAMES, STEP, and INTERVAL. The various videos are pretty good at telling you what to set these for, so I won't go into it here. For a recent landscape shot, I choose 30 for FRAMES, 4 for STEP, and 2s for INTERVAL. (That doesn't mean 30 images, since the camera stops when it focuses at infinity.) Your focus bracketing settings are now set, so just back out of the menus. Press the shutter to take a sequence of bracketed images. It might take 3, or 5, or 8, or whatever it needs.

6. If you choose AUTO, you get to set only the INTERVAL. Then you go to a display that let's you choose the A and B focus settings: The closest and farthest points in your bracket. There are a few ways to choose a focus, such as my touching the screen or turning the focus dial. When you have A, press OK and choose B. Then press DISP/BACK and the camera will automatically deal with FRAMES and STEP. With the focus bracketing settings set, you can press the shutter to take the bracketed images.

7. Ingest the images to your computer, and use them to create a focus-stacked image using whatever method your post-processing software provides for.

From the posts here, I think that people get hung up with AUTO in choosing A and B. After choosing B, they press OK instead of DISP/BACK and just go back to choosing A again. I'm also guessing that, like me, people don't turn the drive dial to BKT, which means that all the focus bracket settings are ineffective, since the camera isn't bracketing. This I think explains the posts where the person is saying that the camera took only one shot.

I hope this helps!
 
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Thanks for taking the time and trouble to discover this, and report it so thoroughly. It is not something I’ve tried yet, though I’ve thought about it. Clearly it’s a complex and daunting series of steps; no wonder people have problems with it. With your guidance, I am minded to try it.
 
Many thanks for this. I managed a couple of focus bracketing series today - but it was necessary to take a bit of time to get informed the evening before :) Unfortunately, Fujifilm's menu nagivation for the focus bracketing is not exactly self explanatory.

What I'd add to your tutorial,

General
  • Don't use auto WB, select something permanent to avoid slight WB fluctuations
  • Set exposure parameters manually
  • Use a cable release or self timer
  • Once you press the shutter button, the direction of the bracketing goes always towards infinity, away from the subject
Interval
  • This setting applies to both manual and auto focus bracketing
  • My interval is always 0 - why introduce a gap between frames?
  • I use ES to avoid any shock
Step
  • This setting applies to manual focus bracketing only
  • Quote from Fujifilm learning center: "STEP sets the amount of change in focus distance between each frame, with greater numbers representing more change."
  • This means, 1 leads to the smallest focus change between frames, 10 to the highest
  • In the web, you can find that a DoF calculation of the first frame is behind the "Step". If you set Step at 5, the step width complies with this consideration. Smaller steps than 5 lead to more overlap. Greater steps than 5 to less overlap.
Manual focus bracketing
  • I guess manual is more for landscapes or scenes where you definitely want to go to infinity
  • You only need to select the starting focus point. This can be done with AF-S.
  • You cannot select an end focus point
  • The sequence stops automatically when either the selected number of frames have been taken or infinity has been reached
Auto focus bracketing
  • I guess this is more for macro when you don't want to go to infinity but capture a focal range
  • You have no control over the step width
  • Focus point selection cannot be done with AF-S; the focus ring needs to be turned instead to select both start and end point. Of course you can select infinity as an end point (or a bit beyond which does no harm).
BR,

Martin
I've read several posts here and watched a few YouTube videos that some posts link to, and I can say that none of them actually include all of the information one needs for focus bracketing. So, I spent over an hour trying to get it to work on my X-T4, and finally got it. Here's what you need to do, without any missing steps.

The details here are for the X-T4. Probably other X cameras that have focus bracketing are similar.
Also X-T4.
First, this is just bracketing: Shooting a sequence of images. Merging them into a single all-in-focus image -- focus stacking -- isn't done by the camera, as far as I can tell. I use Lightroom + Photoshop for that, but there's lots of other software out there.
I am on Zerene.
Here I'm just discussing focus bracketing, so it's all in-camera.

Second, this is automatic focus bracketing. You can certainly just take a sequence of images by clicking the shutter repeatedly, changing the focus point each time.

1. This is kind of bracketing, so set your drive dial to BKT. On my X-T4, that's under the ISO on the left top of the camera. (This is the step I was missing.)

2. There are several kinds of bracketing (AE, ISO, FOCUS, etc.) so you need to set the camera to FOCUS BKT. On the SHOOTING SETTING menu, choose DRIVE SETTING and then BKT SETTING and then BKT SELECT. This is the first option, not to be confused with the FOCUS BKT option at the end of the list.

3. On the BKT SELECT menu, choose FOCUS BKT. This makes the drive dial BKT setting do focus bracketing rather than any other kind of bracketing.

4. Now, back on the BKT SETTING menu, choose the last option, labeled FOCUS BKT. (This is labeled the same as FOCUS BKT on the BKT SELECT menu, but it is not the same thing.) You'll see two options: MANUAL and AUTO. What confused me is that all that's MANUAL is choosing the settings. In the end, if the drive dial is on BKT, it's still automatic focus bracketing -- the camera takes the images with a single shutter press.
Yes. Confusing designations in the menu.
5. If you choose MANUAL, you can set the FRAMES, STEP, and INTERVAL. The various videos are pretty good at telling you what to set these for, so I won't go into it here. For a recent landscape shot, I choose 30 for FRAMES, 4 for STEP, and 2s for INTERVAL. (That doesn't mean 30 images, since the camera stops when it focuses at infinity.) Your focus bracketing settings are now set, so just back out of the menus. Press the shutter to take a sequence of bracketed images. It might take 3, or 5, or 8, or whatever it needs.

6. If you choose AUTO, you get to set only the INTERVAL. Then you go to a display that let's you choose the A and B focus settings: The closest and farthest points in your bracket. There are a few ways to choose a focus, such as my touching the screen or turning the focus dial. When you have A, press OK and choose B. Then press DISP/BACK and the camera will automatically deal with FRAMES and STEP. With the focus bracketing settings set, you can press the shutter to take the bracketed images.

7. Ingest the images to your computer, and use them to create a focus-stacked image using whatever method your post-processing software provides for.

From the posts here, I think that people get hung up with AUTO in choosing A and B. After choosing B, they press OK instead of DISP/BACK and just go back to choosing A again. I'm also guessing that, like me, people don't turn the drive dial to BKT, which means that all the focus bracket settings are ineffective, since the camera isn't bracketing. This I think explains the posts where the person is saying that the camera took only one shot.

I hope this helps!
It does. Thank you again.

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Say i want to use the focus bracketing - Auto. I know i have to designate point A and a point B. What focusing mode should the camera be in to allow me to set A and a B. If it's in AF mode wouldn't the motor lock the focusing gears up, preventing me to move the focus ring (unless i force it).

If i set the camera to manual focus - i can set point A & B by manually focusing to those points, then do i have to return the camera back to any AF mode for the focus bracketing to work. Or.......will the bracketing still work even with the camera at manual focus mode....that means the camera will internally change the focus mode from Manual focus to autofocus just to move the len's focusing spots to eventually arrive at Point B. Camera externally is still remains in manual focus mode.
 
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Say i want to use the focus bracketing - Auto. I know i have to designate point A and a point B. What focusing mode should the camera be in to allow me to set A and a B. If it's in AF mode wouldn't the motor lock the focusing gears up, preventing me to move the focus ring (unless i force it).
If i set the camera to manual focus - i can set point A & B by manually focusing to those points, then do i have to return the camera back to any AF mode for the focus bracketing to work. Or.......will the bracketing still work even with the camera at manual focus mode....that means the camera will internally change the focus mode from Manual focus to autofocus just to move the len's focusing spots to eventually arrive at Point B. Camera externally is still remains in manual focus mode.
If you're using a lens that has the ability to select manual focus on the lens (some fujifilms have a clutch some third party have a switch) then switch it to manual on the lens and it will let you select the range in the auto focus bracket section and let you take all the shots (however auto makes you take an absurd amount more photos than you would think you need for some reason and Fujifilm have never corrected this). As far as I'm aware you shouldn't need to put the camera into manual focusing mode only the lens.
 
Say i want to use the focus bracketing - Auto. I know i have to designate point A and a point B. What focusing mode should the camera be in to allow me to set A and a B. If it's in AF mode wouldn't the motor lock the focusing gears up, preventing me to move the focus ring (unless i force it).
If i set the camera to manual focus - i can set point A & B by manually focusing to those points, then do i have to return the camera back to any AF mode for the focus bracketing to work. Or.......will the bracketing still work even with the camera at manual focus mode....that means the camera will internally change the focus mode from Manual focus to autofocus just to move the len's focusing spots to eventually arrive at Point B. Camera externally is still remains in manual focus mode.
If you're using a lens that has the ability to select manual focus on the lens (some fujifilms have a clutch some third party have a switch) then switch it to manual on the lens and it will let you select the range in the auto focus bracket section and let you take all the shots (however auto makes you take an absurd amount more photos than you would think you need for some reason and Fujifilm have never corrected this). As far as I'm aware you shouldn't need to put the camera into manual focusing mode only the lens.
I have no such lens. With a regular AF lens, I leave the focus lever on AF-S. I select A and B through turning the focus ring. No special focus setting.

BR,

Martin
 
Say i want to use the focus bracketing - Auto. I know i have to designate point A and a point B. What focusing mode should the camera be in to allow me to set A and a B. If it's in AF mode wouldn't the motor lock the focusing gears up, preventing me to move the focus ring (unless i force it).
If i set the camera to manual focus - i can set point A & B by manually focusing to those points, then do i have to return the camera back to any AF mode for the focus bracketing to work. Or.......will the bracketing still work even with the camera at manual focus mode....that means the camera will internally change the focus mode from Manual focus to autofocus just to move the len's focusing spots to eventually arrive at Point B. Camera externally is still remains in manual focus mode.
If you're using a lens that has the ability to select manual focus on the lens (some fujifilms have a clutch some third party have a switch) then switch it to manual on the lens and it will let you select the range in the auto focus bracket section and let you take all the shots (however auto makes you take an absurd amount more photos than you would think you need for some reason and Fujifilm have never corrected this). As far as I'm aware you shouldn't need to put the camera into manual focusing mode only the lens.
I have no such lens. With a regular AF lens, I leave the focus lever on AF-S. I select A and B through turning the focus ring. No special focus setting.

BR,

Martin
manually turning the focus ring while in the AF mode - the motors and gears are engaged. I'm not sure if that would be healthy for the camera / lens ?- Of course the other option is to touch focus the spot where you want to focus on, the AF will then focus on the touched spot......
 
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Say i want to use the focus bracketing - Auto. I know i have to designate point A and a point B. What focusing mode should the camera be in to allow me to set A and a B. If it's in AF mode wouldn't the motor lock the focusing gears up, preventing me to move the focus ring (unless i force it).
If i set the camera to manual focus - i can set point A & B by manually focusing to those points, then do i have to return the camera back to any AF mode for the focus bracketing to work. Or.......will the bracketing still work even with the camera at manual focus mode....that means the camera will internally change the focus mode from Manual focus to autofocus just to move the len's focusing spots to eventually arrive at Point B. Camera externally is still remains in manual focus mode.
If you're using a lens that has the ability to select manual focus on the lens (some fujifilms have a clutch some third party have a switch) then switch it to manual on the lens and it will let you select the range in the auto focus bracket section and let you take all the shots (however auto makes you take an absurd amount more photos than you would think you need for some reason and Fujifilm have never corrected this). As far as I'm aware you shouldn't need to put the camera into manual focusing mode only the lens.
From what i gathered, reading posts i thought auto focus bracketing resulted in less shots actually used....
 
Say i want to use the focus bracketing - Auto. I know i have to designate point A and a point B. What focusing mode should the camera be in to allow me to set A and a B. If it's in AF mode wouldn't the motor lock the focusing gears up, preventing me to move the focus ring (unless i force it).
If i set the camera to manual focus - i can set point A & B by manually focusing to those points, then do i have to return the camera back to any AF mode for the focus bracketing to work. Or.......will the bracketing still work even with the camera at manual focus mode....that means the camera will internally change the focus mode from Manual focus to autofocus just to move the len's focusing spots to eventually arrive at Point B. Camera externally is still remains in manual focus mode.
If you're using a lens that has the ability to select manual focus on the lens (some fujifilms have a clutch some third party have a switch) then switch it to manual on the lens and it will let you select the range in the auto focus bracket section and let you take all the shots (however auto makes you take an absurd amount more photos than you would think you need for some reason and Fujifilm have never corrected this). As far as I'm aware you shouldn't need to put the camera into manual focusing mode only the lens.
From what i gathered, reading posts i thought auto focus bracketing resulted in less shots actually used....
From what I, and a lot of others, have experienced is Fujifilm cameras will drastically overestimate the amount of shots needed to cover the depth of field. For instance a macro shot with the aperture at f5.6 shot manually (releasing the shutter yourself, and adjusting the focus) would probably be covered in about 10-20 exposures whereas the auto function would make you shoot about 40+. Obviously very approximate numbers for an imaginary situation but their cameras seem to overshoot the situation which in turn means more processing power and space needed in post unfortunately but at least the result will be fantastic.
 
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Machoman

Maybe you're overthinking it a little bit?

Just play! Try and see!

Nothing can go wrong!

Then you are prepared for the field :)

Go out! Have fun!

Martin
True, I am overthinking it, planning to get the x-s20 - still in research mode.

If I do get it it’ll be solely for the focus bracketing functions so that’s why it better be performing exactly as I expected. Can’t really justify a got-cha moment, then it’ll be just another un-needed camera to me, I’ve already got the XE1 and Xt1.

Funds are super tight so i can't afford to make a mistake.
 
True, I am overthinking it, planning to get the x-s20 - still in research mode.

If I do get it it’ll be solely for the focus bracketing functions so that’s why it better be performing exactly as I expected. Can’t really justify a got-cha moment, then it’ll be just another un-needed camera to me, I’ve already got the XE1 and Xt1.

Funds are super tight so i can't afford to make a mistake.
Borrow first? Is it possible in your region?

Just for this reason, I agree, it's a big investment and a "must not go wrong" thing.

Martin
 
Using Focus Bracketing Automatic - does using a smaller or larger aperture make a difference to the number of shots the auto mode spits out ?

I imagine shooting at f 2.8 would require more focus bracket shots than one done at F 8.....should be applicable to macro and landscape also....I'm hoping the system is that clever and takes into consideration the aperture used.
 
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Using Focus Bracketing Automatic - does using a smaller or larger aperture make a difference to the number of shots the auto mode spits out ?

I imagine shooting at f 2.8 would require more focus bracket shots than one done at F 8.....should be applicable to macro and landscape also....I'm hoping the system is that clever and takes into consideration the aperture used.
Yes it does. The system is smart :)

I tested for you with my X-T4 and the XF 33/1.4.
  • f/1.4: 67 frames
  • f/16: 11 frames
  • f/22: 7 frames
All the settings were unchanged.

Hope this helps

Martin
 
Using Focus Bracketing Automatic - does using a smaller or larger aperture make a difference to the number of shots the auto mode spits out ?

I imagine shooting at f 2.8 would require more focus bracket shots than one done at F 8.....should be applicable to macro and landscape also....I'm hoping the system is that clever and takes into consideration the aperture used.
Yes it does. The system is smart :)

I tested for you with my X-T4 and the XF 33/1.4.
  • f/1.4: 67 frames
  • f/16: 11 frames
  • f/22: 7 frames
All the settings were unchanged.

Hope this helps

Martin
Bummer.....I was thinking if it wasn't a smart auto, the aperture didn't make any difference, i'll pass on the camera. This is good info.



Here's what i've done with the X-T1 60 shots manually bracketed with the sunway foto lens handle. The lens handle helped to gauge how much to move the focus....like every 5 mins of the clock face.

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X-T1, manually focus bracketed to 60 shots.
 
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Using Focus Bracketing Automatic - does using a smaller or larger aperture make a difference to the number of shots the auto mode spits out ?

I imagine shooting at f 2.8 would require more focus bracket shots than one done at F 8.....should be applicable to macro and landscape also....I'm hoping the system is that clever and takes into consideration the aperture used.
Yes it does. The system is smart :)

I tested for you with my X-T4 and the XF 33/1.4.
  • f/1.4: 67 frames
  • f/16: 11 frames
  • f/22: 7 frames
All the settings were unchanged.

Hope this helps

Martin
Bummer.....I was thinking if it wasn't a smart auto, the aperture didn't make any difference, i'll pass on the camera. This is good info.

Here's what i've done with the X-T1 60 shots manually bracketed with the sunway foto lens handle. The lens handle helped to gauge how much to move the focus....like every 5 mins of the clock face.

... snipped...

X-T1, manually focus bracketed to 60 shots.
Great stack.

I tried a bit manually stacking with the focus ring. But I find it much better to control with a rail.

Of course I'd love to own an AF macro lens to be able to utilize auto bracketing, but I don't own such a lens. And since it is more then excellent IQ wise and nicely small, I am reluctant to trade in my Laowa 65/2.8.

Good luck with your decision.

Cheers,

Martin
 

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