X-E5… Can FSn Recipe settings be decoupled from Q menu custom settings?

[Jay Levy]

It seems that if I change a custom setting in the Q menu (eg, Color to -2) while the Film Simulation dial is set to one of FS1, FS2 or FS3, the change (Color -2) is made to the saved recipe.

Ie, If have a recipe saved to FS1 that includes Color = +4. While shooting with that recipe I activate Q menu and change color to -4. The recipe saved to FS1 now has Color = -4.

Do I understand this behavior correctly?

Is there a setting to disable this “auto save the recipe” behavior. It doesn’t make sense to me as I’m used to using the Q menu to temporarily override a particular setting. I would rather not permanently change a FSn recipe setting.

I’m having trouble distinguishing between use of the Q menu and the FSn settings (other than the film simulation itself) — how they relate to each other and how they update each other.

I feel like I’m missing something basic. The manual is not helping me.

 

[Greybeard2023]

It seems that if I change a custom setting in the Q menu (eg, Color to -2) while the Film Simulation dial is set to one of FS1, FS2 or FS3, the change (Color -2) is made to the saved recipe.

Ie, If have a recipe saved to FS1 that includes Color = +4. While shooting with that recipe I activate Q menu and change color to -4. The recipe saved to FS1 now has Color = -4.

Yes making changes with the Q Menu makes the same change as if you had used the normal menu - but the effect is a bit more obvious on the normal menu because you get the FS1 prefix.

Do I understand this behavior correctly?

Is there a setting to disable this “auto save the recipe” behavior. It doesn’t make sense to me as I’m used to using the Q menu to temporarily override a particular setting. I would rather not permanently change a FSn recipe setting.

I’m having trouble distinguishing between use of the Q menu and the FSn settings (other than the film simulation itself) — how they relate to each other and how they update each other.

I feel like I’m missing something basic. The manual is not helping me.

 

[JPEGer]

It seems that if I change a custom setting in the Q menu (eg, Color to -2) while the Film Simulation dial is set to one of FS1, FS2 or FS3, the change (Color -2) is made to the saved recipe.

Ie, If have a recipe saved to FS1 that includes Color = +4. While shooting with that recipe I activate Q menu and change color to -4. The recipe saved to FS1 now has Color = -4.

Do I understand this behavior correctly?

Is there a setting to disable this “auto save the recipe” behavior. It doesn’t make sense to me as I’m used to using the Q menu to temporarily override a particular setting. I would rather not permanently change a FSn recipe setting.

Yes. Manual pages 142 and 146. Camera: IQ, 4/4, second last item.

I’m having trouble distinguishing between use of the Q menu and the FSn settings (other than the film simulation itself) — how they relate to each other and how they update each other.

I feel like I’m missing something basic. The manual is not helping me.

- To use custom film sims I turn the the film sim dial to C. Press Q button to cycle through C1-7.

- To use FS function with custom film sims first set it up in Film Sim Dial Setting (pages 5 & 126). Program FS1/2/3. Select "on". I put a short cut in "my menu" to access film sim dial directly.

- The base setting "M" in Q menu: I program in a universal recipe to use with the pre-loaded film sims on the dial (Acros/Reala Ace/Velvia etc). This universal recipe gives each standard film sim a slightly different look.

 

[sayling]

It seems that if I change a custom setting in the Q menu (eg, Color to -2) while the Film Simulation dial is set to one of FS1, FS2 or FS3, the change (Color -2) is made to the saved recipe.

Ie, If have a recipe saved to FS1 that includes Color = +4. While shooting with that recipe I activate Q menu and change color to -4. The recipe saved to FS1 now has Color = -4.

Do I understand this behavior correctly?

Yes. Any changes to the IQ menu affects what is held in the FSn settings if FS1-3 is selected on the film sim dial.

Is there a setting to disable this “auto save the recipe” behavior. It doesn’t make sense to me as I’m used to using the Q menu to temporarily override a particular setting. I would rather not permanently change a FSn recipe setting.

There is a disable auto update setting but this only applies (globally) to custom settings C1-C7.

I have set my 'Auto Update Custom Settings' to DISABLE and I am using C1-C7 as my 'permanent' film sim/reset/quiet etc settings; I select these via the Q menu and have the film sim dial set to C.

If I am experimenting, I use the FS1-FS3 settings, and any IQ settings are made and saved directly. If I use C1-C7 with the film sim dial set to C, I can use the film sim dial to temporarily override the film sim on what I had set up in C1-C7. When I turn the film sim dial back to C, I get back to my original C1 etc settings.

Sayling

I’m having trouble distinguishing between use of the Q menu and the FSn settings (other than the film simulation itself) — how they relate to each other and how they update each other.

I feel like I’m missing something basic. The manual is not helping me.

 

[Greybeard2023]

It seems that if I change a custom setting in the Q menu (eg, Color to -2) while the Film Simulation dial is set to one of FS1, FS2 or FS3, the change (Color -2) is made to the saved recipe.

Ie, If have a recipe saved to FS1 that includes Color = +4. While shooting with that recipe I activate Q menu and change color to -4. The recipe saved to FS1 now has Color = -4.

Do I understand this behavior correctly?

Is there a setting to disable this “auto save the recipe” behavior. It doesn’t make sense to me as I’m used to using the Q menu to temporarily override a particular setting. I would rather not permanently change a FSn recipe setting.

I’m having trouble distinguishing between use of the Q menu and the FSn settings (other than the film simulation itself) — how they relate to each other and how they update each other.

I feel like I’m missing something basic. The manual is not helping me.

Custom Setting banks, Film Setting Recipes, Q Menu and normal menu - can all get very confusing.

Some stick, some don't and with some the stickiness depends on other menu settings.

 

[sayling]

Custom Setting banks, Film Setting Recipes, Q Menu and normal menu - can all get very confusing.

Some stick, some don't and with some the stickiness depends on other menu settings.

In my experience with the X-T4, X-E4, X-T5 and X-E5 the custom settings C1-C7 store the settings from the first three main menus: IQ, AF-MF, Shooting, plus the Sound and Power Management settings from the Set Up menu. When Auto Update Custom Setting is disabled and you change any one item in these 6 menus, then 'Save the Changes' is enabled when you enter 'Edit/Save Custom Setting' or you long press Q from the Q menu screen.

Sayling

 

[Jay Levy]

Is there a setting to disable this “auto save the recipe” behavior. It doesn’t make sense to me as I’m used to using the Q menu to temporarily override a particular setting. I would rather not permanently change a FSn recipe setting.

Yes. Manual pages 142 and 146. Camera: IQ, 4/4, second last item.

Thanks for the response. I am familiar with and use that setting. I was hoping there was a similar setting for FS1…FS3.

Other posts have clarified.

 

[Jay Levy]

This is helpful and clarifies the functions.

I am disappointed as I had hoped the FS1…FS3 would be a quick way to move around recipes that are permanently configured.

As you suggest, it seems I need to return to use of Q menu as source for recipes.

In my own workflow for a given set of IQ settings in a recipe I almost never switch the individual film simulation. Most of the time I’m tweaking highlights, shadows or DR. Then returning to the default set of parameters for a given recipe when I’m done. I guess the FS1..FS3 dial will be of limited to no use for me.

I would love to hear other’s examples of how they configure these 2 sets of settings to best support their JPEG workflow.

 

[Jay Levy]

John Peltier posted a new video today that discusses the relationship between FS1..FS3 and the Q menu. I found it very helpful.

I’m still trying to wrap my head around the best workflow when I want to temporarily tweak a IQ setting in a recipe. But, at least I now understand how the setup works.