Workspace FW update and how to use Workspace

[Regor250]

For what it's worth... image below depicts a 100% crop of an HHHR image, Left OMW TIFF , Center OOC JPEG, Right ACDSee+Topaz Shapen AI no other processing other than sharpening. Draw your own conclusion.

Left OMW TIFF , Center OOC JPEG, Right ACDSee+Topaz Shapen AI

Hi Roger

This is an interesting set of images. I would not be happy with any of them. Which camera did you use? Is this a tripod or handheld High-Res image? Seems like you did no changes in Workspace, is that correct?

Best

Siegfried

OM-1, HHHR handheld, yes no change in Workspace, 100% crop, so you're looking at a very small part of the entire image.

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Roger

 

[VideoPic]

For what it's worth... image below depicts a 100% crop of an HHHR image, Left OMW TIFF , Center OOC JPEG, Right ACDSee+Topaz Shapen AI no other processing other than sharpening. Draw your own conclusion.

Left OMW TIFF , Center OOC JPEG, Right ACDSee+Topaz Shapen AI

Hi Roger

This is an interesting set of images. I would not be happy with any of them. Which camera did you use? Is this a tripod or handheld High-Res image? Seems like you did no changes in Workspace, is that correct?

Best

Siegfried

OM-1, HHHR handheld, yes no change in Workspace, 100% crop, so you're looking at a very small part of the entire image.

You right, a 100% view and being a web view is not ideal. I almost never use 100% views to evaluate my work. I never ever pixel peep...

I like to see the normal resized for web view of the OM Tiff and the OOC Jpeg if possible.

Best

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[Regor250]

For what it's worth... image below depicts a 100% crop of an HHHR image, Left OMW TIFF , Center OOC JPEG, Right ACDSee+Topaz Shapen AI no other processing other than sharpening. Draw your own conclusion.

Left OMW TIFF , Center OOC JPEG, Right ACDSee+Topaz Shapen AI

Hi Roger

This is an interesting set of images. I would not be happy with any of them. Which camera did you use? Is this a tripod or handheld High-Res image? Seems like you did no changes in Workspace, is that correct?

Best

Siegfried

OM-1, HHHR handheld, yes no change in Workspace, 100% crop, so you're looking at a very small part of the entire image.

You right, a 100% view and being a web view is not ideal. I almost never use 100% views to evaluate my work. I never ever pixel peep...

I like to see the normal resized for web view of the OM Tiff and the OOC Jpeg if possible.

Best

I made a no-compression JPEG from the TIFF (it was 10x the size)... so here's the JPEG/TIFF version first, followed by the OOC.

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OMW TIFF-->JPEG (Couldn't see a difference between the TIFF and no-compression JPEG)

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OOC JPEG

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Roger

 

[VideoPic]

Hi Roger

Thank you for the images. You need to swap the descriptions. See the file names and the descriptions. It also seems like you resized the images in Topaz or something else. I see that with the exift data. Workspace exif data looks different.

This looks like an interesting example... I like to give you feedback...

Best

Siegfried

 

[Regor250]

Hi Roger

Thank you for the images. You need to swap the descriptions. See the file names and the descriptions. It also seems like you resized the images in Topaz or something else. I see that with the exift data. Workspace exif data looks different.

This looks like an interesting example... I like to give you feedback...

Best

Siegfried

Not sure I follow you here, both files are 8,160 × 6,120pix, and I'm pretty sure that the first one was the one processed in OMW to TIFF to JPEG; however, not impossible that I swapped them by mistake but can't edit the post anymore unfortunately. Anyhow, here's another comparison side-by-side, TIFF on the Left OOC JPEG on the right.

You can see the effect of Topaz Sharpen AI on the TIFF below

Same view point, TIFF Sharpened on the right, unsharpened on the left.



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Roger

 

[VideoPic]

Hi Roger

It's difficult for me to comment on the images and comparisons you posted. Do you use different software packages to convert, compare, and resize the images? For example, do you use the same color space in your PC, camera, and software packages? I noticed that you use SRGB on your OM1. Why not RGB?

I had an OM-1 for a few days when OM System launched it in 2022. I decided to test some of the images I took with Workspace. Surprisingly, they do not convert like my Olympus raw files. I tried both the firmware versions V2.3.2 and V2.3.3 of Workspace on my Macs. I do not know what the firmware version was of the tested OM-1. I also do not know if "OM-System" corrected the problem in later FW versions of the OM-1.

Here are the OM-1 converted JPEG and the camera JPEG versions...

The OM-1 out-of-camera JPEG version

The OM-1 Workspace converted JPEG (I selected no settings in WS and only opened the raw file)

All my Olympus cameras give 99.99% identical results. I did the same exercise with my EM1 III. See the images below...

This is the out-of-camera JPEG - EM1 III

This is the Workspace converted JPEG - EM1 III

I would like to know if OM-System corrected this for the OM-1 and if the OM-1 II has the same issue.

Best

Siegfried

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[Regor250]

Hi Roger

It's difficult for me to comment on the images and comparisons you posted. Do you use different software packages to convert, compare, and resize the images? For example, do you use the same color space in your PC, camera, and software packages? I noticed that you use SRGB on your OM1. Why not RGB.

...I would like to know if OM-System corrected this for the OM-1 and if the OM-1 II has the same issue.

Best

SiSiegfried

I process most of my images with ACDSee Ultimate, but will also use several other software packages depending on the situation. I shoot SRGB to maximize the color spectrum available as I process all my images, so I rely on the software package to optimize the color compression into RGB color space at output, especially when it comes to subtle color shifts. While one can compress the color space, you can not expand it back to what was captured; at least that's what I understand I may be wrong. OMW is best when it comes to handling CA, and jaggies on straight edges, but not particularly good at recovering highlights. It's all about compromises, which application I use. ACDSee gives me better fine details (better than most other applications I've tried, and I tried many), but that leads to jaggies in certain situations. OMW outputs very slightly different colors than the in-camera processed JPEGs, but if you actually connect the camera to the computer you can use the camera processor to process the RAW image, which creates an almost identical match.

 

[BITPhotoSpace]

I dont know re the OM-1 since I stopped at the M-1 III but Olympus viewer and equally workspace are absolute c**p (do excuse my language) in terms of both operability and rendering detail (NR etc...) and I suspect eating up tonal range too in the process. that doesn't really do the sensor justice. This would never be the case with my Nikons (NX studio).

Rendering in ACR (or LR for that matter) requires quite some work on the other hand to segregate the tonal gradients that come out quite flat by default including the gimmicky camera "matching" profiles. I find the yellows and greens particularly problematic.

Long story short, I use Rawtherappe exclusively with my mark III files now and I think OM System should put some effort into re-writing WS beyond "reproducing" that arguably great OOC JPEG engine as they are shooting themselves in the foot.