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Joe Peoples
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We all know the ways Windows has emulated the Mac OS over the years, I was wondering how, if at all, OSX has taken on any of XP's features.
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Mark Smith145430
Veteran Member
OSX and XP pro are similar in a lot of ways.
CD burning(both roxio)
Networking protocols
Most recently with Panther(OSX 10.3) fast user switching is used on the Mac for the first time( although it looks WAY more polished on the Mac with its rotating cube effect)
A lot of OSX features are Based on Unix open standards SSH, Kerberos etc
where XP seems to use more Microsoft only systems, which isn't a problem since 90% of the worlds PC use Windows.
regards
mark
B0b
Leading Member
longhorn will change pc's... it's been written from the ground up, so no more DOS, and hello 6bit support 
i've never got on with Mac OS 10 - the printer support sucked..
i've never got on with Mac OS 10 - the printer support sucked..
Mark Smith145430
Veteran Member
Windows XP has no DOS code in it, thats why it's one of the most reliable platforms.longhorn will change pc's... it's been written from the ground up,
so no more DOS, and hello 6bit support
i've never got on with Mac OS 10 - the printer support sucked..
IMHO OSX and XP are both great systems, and the only reason for choosing one over the other at the moment is hardware related.
If you are considering XP go for it, DON'T wait for longhorn as it's unlikely that it will appear before 2006.
SP2 will be coming for XP next Spring/Summer and will include lots of performance enhancements.
64bit for PCs is still one thats in the balance, the AMD chips are not selling that well, this is the one area Apple has an advantage over PCs with 600,000 G5s sold in 4 months.
OSX is still only "semi" 64bit and it really only gives them an advantage in some memory intensive applications.
The printer support for OSX is very good on the whole with most USB printers supported, I have used 7 different printers, inkjets & laser and have yet to find a problem(like most printer problems are user problems specific to their machines)
Enjoy whatever you choose to use as there in reality is little difference between platforms
Mark
charlie wallace
Senior Member
I have to disagree there, i use Panther and i can't get drivers that work properly for me. HP1700D , Samsung 1710 and an HP 6100, which is high level injket, low level laser, and office level GP printer.
Also half the perphirals i have usb or otherwise, have no OSX versions either, which is what i'd expect.
HP freely admit their drivers are no where upto the levels of support that XP has, there are tonnes of features missing, especially with network priniting, since all my printers are on a server.
Either it wont work over a network, what are we in dos days?, previews don't work, features like double sided are missing, etc.
Mac used a lot of ideas from xerox btw, and NT wasn't orgiinaly made by microsoft.
I'm a lot happier apple have stolen, borrow, begged, used wih permission netBSD which is why OSX is so stable, apple just did what XFree couldn't and made unix pretty
Q. What is the relationship between Watson and the new Sherlock 3?
http://www.karelia.com/watson/watsonFAQ.html
Theres another piece of software in osx thats almost identical to another popular apple app.
Apple are no stranger to 'borrowiing ideas'
Been very happy with Panther so far though, though one day it'd be nice to have another mouse button added
Mark Smith145430
Veteran Member
I find your post very strange I use the printer (HP) you mention and have NO problems in Panther in fact The printer support is WAY better than Jaguar IMHO.
Have you tried any of the free printer driver utilities like the GIMP??
All my USB/Firewire perirals work fine( I must be lucky)
I have Wacom Tablets (3) dymo label writer 4 Inkjets (2HP & 2 Epson) Card readers from Lexar and Dazzle 3 scanners (Canon lide Epson 1260 and Nikon coolpix)
EVERYTHING WORKS!!!!
there again I could just be lucky!
Regards
Mark
charlie wallace
Senior Member
Sorry i keep calling Panther, Jaguar, i'm using Panther too, I spent an hour looking for the wrong disks the other day
Does it support Networking from a server, jetdirect, double sided printing, tiling mode, handouts, banner mode, hp's 2400 dpi modes ?
I'd be interested to know which driver you are using for the 1700D
http://h20015.www2.hp.com/en/softwareList.jhtml?reg=&cc=us&prodId=hpcolorink33112&lc=en&plc=&softitem=Mac%20OS%20X&sw_lang=en&pagetype=software
HP Lists no drivers, they say its built in to the OS the closest i can match is the 1600 and it gives awful prints
i have a couple of firewire drives that don't work properly and none of my GPS's are supported, my bluetooth adapters arent support, nor ar any of my cellphones.
Sounds like it.
Mark Smith145430
Veteran Member
Charlie,
The driver you want is on the Panther Install disk (2 i think)
I don't have a mobile or bluetooth but mainly use the Macs for Photo manipulation in my studio, hence why i have card readersand printers.
Did you try GIMP Print??
HP, Epson Canon etc are only interested in $$$$ try http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/index.php3
Much better than HPs drivers!!!
regards
Mark
The driver you want is on the Panther Install disk (2 i think)
I don't have a mobile or bluetooth but mainly use the Macs for Photo manipulation in my studio, hence why i have card readersand printers.
Did you try GIMP Print??
HP, Epson Canon etc are only interested in $$$$ try http://gimp-print.sourceforge.net/index.php3
Much better than HPs drivers!!!
regards
Mark
charlie wallace
Senior Member
Hmm i will search for it, i thought it was supposed to install them all by default
yeah most of your devices are either HID or storage class and don't usually require drivers.
i haven't it says its doesnt support my printer, again just the 1600, i'll give it a go though thanks
On OSX thats not hard to believe
B0b
Leading Member
no DOS with XP u say?
START> Run> Command..
why should anyone have to PAY to get better printer support??
just the other day i had to change a design because the PDF i produced for a client wouldn't print edge-edge on their Epson Photo Printer under OS X (which is edge-edge out of the box on windows)
and 600,000 units is nothing to the millions of PC's sold..
there are other OS's that support 64bit CPU's on the PC..
there also used to be a 64bit version of NT for DEC Alpha's.
START> Run> Command..
why should anyone have to PAY to get better printer support??
just the other day i had to change a design because the PDF i produced for a client wouldn't print edge-edge on their Epson Photo Printer under OS X (which is edge-edge out of the box on windows)
and 600,000 units is nothing to the millions of PC's sold..
there are other OS's that support 64bit CPU's on the PC..
there also used to be a 64bit version of NT for DEC Alpha's.
Mark Smith145430
Veteran Member
No I said that XP is NOT BASED on DOS(unlike Win9x)
to run it in a emulated window!
WTF??????
Never paid a penny for printer support( gimp print is free open source)
This is a problem with YOU and your tech ability!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Try -Print -save as PDF or use Adobe distiller( it's not good enough to just save as PDF in Photoshop)!!
all DIFFERENT MAKES!!!!! (NONE OF WHICH ARE 64bit)!!
Yes Linux (do you use it?) what version of photoshop works on it?
This doesn't run any 32bit software so whats your point??
Can you Run it on a PC? if Not what relevance does it have apart from in a server environment????
I note also there is a XP 64 for the Itanium (also will only run 32bit under emulation)
ALSO for SERVERS ONLY
As a Pro Photographer I use OSX and XP both are excellent tools for the job
Regards
Mark
B0b
Leading Member
was just commenting on improved printer support in the l8st OS..
i know how to use my applications been using them for over 11 years - i'm not the one trying to print from OS X which wouldn't allow edge-edge printing with the drivers supplied with the OS.. (was even in the manual)
i'm sure quite a few of them are 64Bit...
did i say anything about Photoshop?
why run 32Bit apps on a 64Bit OS?
DEC Alpha machines were advertised for 3D Workstations, which work wonderfully under 64Bit
SGI also had a version of Photoshop, tho' Adobe didn't support it for very long..Mark Smith145430
Veteran Member
according to the Register 3,150 Opteron workstations have been sold since June
most with 32bit WinXP pro how is this a 64bit x86 revolution?
Intel won't even commit to a x86 64bit in the forseeable future
No, but surely you want to run software on your machine???
I mean my reason for not using linux is Not ONE of the programs is supported on that OS!!
Well this is a no brainer if you like me have $4000 worth of 32bit software and buy a new 64bit machine/OS you would like to run it wouldn't you??
Or should I wait 2-3 years for all that software to get ported? and give up my business!!
But Its not a PC unless it executes x86 code NATIVELYDEC Alpha machines were advertised for 3D Workstations, which work
wonderfully under 64Bit
tho' Adobe didn't support it for very long..
Is a DEC Alpha a PC because it can Run x86 code under JVM emulation?
IF so A G4 is a PC 'cos it can run Windows XP under the same system
What do you call a PC BOB???
is it anything that is not a Mac?
At current time the only PCs that are 64bit are Opteron,FX, or PPC970 based
and PPC outsells the Oppie many fold
Jason P141354
Leading Member
I've had a Mac or two and OS X since the 10.1 and currently have a new powerbook. I love it in every way except for printing and few poor usability issues in the finder. Funny how most people say Macs are easier to use...if anything they are equivalent to a PC, but the finder does have a few nuisances that XP has refined out. Its a bit slow at many things, renaming a file is a pain, and the lack of task oriented features can be a waste of time. That said, after reading some of the posts here, I'm glad I'm not the only person who refuses to be an apologist for crappy printing services in OS X.
Printing is getting better, but continually sucks pretty bad in its own right, and so far has never equalled the ease of printing in XP.
Brother printers...forget about it. Had 3 with terrible drivers, one was an MFC the others just for business printing...envelopes...address labels...word documents...yeah right...margins a mess...just rediculous problems. Tried to print over the network, tried printer sharing, tried rendezvous printing in one where it was supposedly enabled...completely unstable.
Then I had an epson 870. Don't even try it. Epson driver was a joke. Don't even try getting a borderless print of any size.
Canon....had an s830 I think...yikes...returned it after a week. Now I hear that the drivers on the new Canon's are fantastic, but its strange how I hear that kind of thing all the time, then buy the printer, and realize that whoever that random person was on web who made the remark must have been smoking crack.
Printing in OS X seems to be a constant work around.
I've tried Gimp Print. Had people swear up and down how spectacular the drivers are. I think most people speak out of turn, or have one simple experience that meets very low standards and then with Mac standard exuberrance run out and say how great it is. My experience was that although the notes say it has fully featured drivers for the Epson 870, they were terrible as well. Supposedly had borderless printing...nada...in fact, couldn't even get a print centered...not on the page, not even between the supposed margins of the printer.
Apple definitely needs to put lots and lots of quality time and money into printing improvements and then put even more time and money into communicating with the printer vendors, and then just stop changing the printing system every year.
Printing is getting better, but continually sucks pretty bad in its own right, and so far has never equalled the ease of printing in XP.
Brother printers...forget about it. Had 3 with terrible drivers, one was an MFC the others just for business printing...envelopes...address labels...word documents...yeah right...margins a mess...just rediculous problems. Tried to print over the network, tried printer sharing, tried rendezvous printing in one where it was supposedly enabled...completely unstable.
Then I had an epson 870. Don't even try it. Epson driver was a joke. Don't even try getting a borderless print of any size.
Canon....had an s830 I think...yikes...returned it after a week. Now I hear that the drivers on the new Canon's are fantastic, but its strange how I hear that kind of thing all the time, then buy the printer, and realize that whoever that random person was on web who made the remark must have been smoking crack.
Printing in OS X seems to be a constant work around.
I've tried Gimp Print. Had people swear up and down how spectacular the drivers are. I think most people speak out of turn, or have one simple experience that meets very low standards and then with Mac standard exuberrance run out and say how great it is. My experience was that although the notes say it has fully featured drivers for the Epson 870, they were terrible as well. Supposedly had borderless printing...nada...in fact, couldn't even get a print centered...not on the page, not even between the supposed margins of the printer.
Apple definitely needs to put lots and lots of quality time and money into printing improvements and then put even more time and money into communicating with the printer vendors, and then just stop changing the printing system every year.
according to the Register 3,150 Opteron workstations have been sold
since June
most with 32bit WinXP pro how is this a 64bit x86 revolution?
Intel won't even commit to a x86 64bit in the forseeable future
No, but surely you want to run software on your machine???
I mean my reason for not using linux is Not ONE of the programs is
supported on that OS!!
Well this is a no brainer if you like me have $4000 worth of 32bit
software and buy a new 64bit machine/OS you would like to run it
wouldn't you??
Or should I wait 2-3 years for all that software to get ported? and
give up my business!!
But Its not a PC unless it executes x86 code NATIVELYDEC Alpha machines were advertised for 3D Workstations, which work
wonderfully under 64Bit
tho' Adobe didn't support it for very long..
Is a DEC Alpha a PC because it can Run x86 code under JVM emulation?
IF so A G4 is a PC 'cos it can run Windows XP under the same system
What do you call a PC BOB???
is it anything that is not a Mac?
At current time the only PCs that are 64bit are Opteron,FX, or
PPC970 based
and PPC outsells the Oppie many fold
Mark Smith145430
Veteran Member
Jason,
I’d like to help you with the issues you’re having with OSX.
I get the feel from the post that like me you use both Mac and PC i too feel that printing is easier in XP but I dont feel that it “sucks” as you put it.
XP and OSX are similar but different, a good analogy would be British English vs American English.
The’re both uderstandable but who would pronounce Lieutenant; – LEFT—TENANT?
Anyhow let me try to Address some issues.
“renaming a file is a pain”
File renaming;
This is done the same in way in both OS’s just click on the name under the file to highlight it then type the filename.
In some ways it’s easier with a Mac than a PC as you don’t have to type filename.jpg and I think you can use windows illegal characters i.e / : > \ etc.
“the lack of task oriented features can be a waste of time”
Task oriented features?
Please clarify as I have no idea what you mean here
Finally Printing:
Far from being an appologist for OSX’s Printer drivers I only want to help, Gimp print is worth a try as an alternative to the official drivers.
You say that you cannot get a borderless print on your Epson, well I don’t have an Epson but here goes.
I have never seen anydesktop printer that will print a borderless full width(A4 on A4 printer) but this following method works on my HP’s for most sizes
First go file—print: the dialogue box should have your printer named (this is not done by default)!
Then on the copies and pages dropdown try “layout” and make sure it says “border none”
Then check the summary to make sure the right drivers and printer profile is being used (again not set by default)
If it still refuses to print borderless then try:
file- page setup
make sure after format for dropdown your printer is named.
Then on the Page attributes setting click the dropdown and
select “custom paper size” click new and in the blank field type “0” for all printer margins and check your hight and width.
As a last desparate measure if none of the above work
type 110% in the scale box on printer setup.
all these settings can be saved for repeat jobs.
I honestly say that having more control a la OSX is works better than the more “automated” XP but thats just my opinion, and both OS’s have their good and bad points.
If I can help you in anyway mail me.
Happy New Year
Regards
Mark
I’d like to help you with the issues you’re having with OSX.
I get the feel from the post that like me you use both Mac and PC i too feel that printing is easier in XP but I dont feel that it “sucks” as you put it.
XP and OSX are similar but different, a good analogy would be British English vs American English.
The’re both uderstandable but who would pronounce Lieutenant; – LEFT—TENANT?
Anyhow let me try to Address some issues.
“renaming a file is a pain”
File renaming;
This is done the same in way in both OS’s just click on the name under the file to highlight it then type the filename.
In some ways it’s easier with a Mac than a PC as you don’t have to type filename.jpg and I think you can use windows illegal characters i.e / : > \ etc.
“the lack of task oriented features can be a waste of time”
Task oriented features?
Please clarify as I have no idea what you mean here
Finally Printing:
Far from being an appologist for OSX’s Printer drivers I only want to help, Gimp print is worth a try as an alternative to the official drivers.
You say that you cannot get a borderless print on your Epson, well I don’t have an Epson but here goes.
I have never seen anydesktop printer that will print a borderless full width(A4 on A4 printer) but this following method works on my HP’s for most sizes
First go file—print: the dialogue box should have your printer named (this is not done by default)!
Then on the copies and pages dropdown try “layout” and make sure it says “border none”
Then check the summary to make sure the right drivers and printer profile is being used (again not set by default)
If it still refuses to print borderless then try:
file- page setup
make sure after format for dropdown your printer is named.
Then on the Page attributes setting click the dropdown and
select “custom paper size” click new and in the blank field type “0” for all printer margins and check your hight and width.
As a last desparate measure if none of the above work
type 110% in the scale box on printer setup.
all these settings can be saved for repeat jobs.
I honestly say that having more control a la OSX is works better than the more “automated” XP but thats just my opinion, and both OS’s have their good and bad points.
If I can help you in anyway mail me.
Happy New Year
Regards
Mark
B0b
Leading Member
the borderless print option is a driver issue with Epson Printers...
i believe that they've now been fixed in the latest revision of the drivers..
i believe that they've now been fixed in the latest revision of the drivers..
Mark Smith145430
Veteran Member
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