Will you if...........

[Marc Ward]

I think they should provide no card, and adjust the price accordingly. I prefer to buy my own card.

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Marc Ward
Milwaukee, WI
Happy Dimage 7i Owner
http://www.pbase.com/mward
Some good, some bad. But all were fun to take.

 

[Dman]

I think they should provide no card, and adjust the price
accordingly. I prefer to buy my own card.

--
Marc Ward
Milwaukee, WI
Happy Dimage 7i Owner
http://www.pbase.com/mward
Some good, some bad. But all were fun to take.

Agreed with those who think as Marc Ward think. Either they don't give us or give us a reasonable capacity to start with without increasing the price much. If I has the chance to become a business man, customer is first on my list, hehe. To win a deal, go for the root rather the body, right?

Dman

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http://www.pbase.com/clck

 

[Dman]

Dman,
I noticed all yoru outdoor shots are undetrcast. I have the same
problem with most of my shots; even though they were taken in a
sunny day. I wonder what causes this.

sultan

I also notice that esp on the marina south group, right? Maybe I didn't use sunset mode and that causes this to happen. I still need to practice on getting a good photo in the day time outdoor as Sun is the main causes of this. Anyway, I been taking for 7 hrs that day, imagine how long for just taking those photos only. Will keep on learning and will tell you the result. Just got one new finding, not sure whether the rest know or not. Set the Exposure to -1.0 to -2.0 for those reflective surface like photo, a piece of metal etc.... when you taking close up of it. It is because you cannot use flash on them and if you do, you need to take from the side and therefore, it is not so good. If you set the exposure to negative, you will heard a normal clicking sound of a photo taking rather than a (should be over or under exposure if the image wash out???) under/over exposure. There are still tons of things that I has not discover with D7i yet. Time is my ammo, haha!!!

Dman

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http://www.pbase.com/clck

 

[Dman]

Yup, it is good to has a 1GB microdrive inside the D7i but
sometime, things aren't prefect as they seem. I try to transfer
data from my D7i to PC and keep having problem while using a card
reader, it was prefect all the time unless errr........ PC got mad,
haha!!!

I use a real OS, so I have no problems downloading from the camera.

I am also using WinXP and therefore, it depends on your PC, not the OS, haha!!!

One bad thing about microdrive, it drain up battery too.

I get 100-150 pictures per battery charge. That's plenty for my
purposes.

Try viewing it on LCD rather than EVF, I bet you could take those 100-150 again ;-)

On top of that, when you transfer images from D7i to PC, your D7i need to be ON and
therefore, battery been drain for a bad reason.

Battery drain is battery drain, no matter what the reason. Besides,
there are wallwarts to handle this. For a little peace of mind I
can deal with this.

But drain faster with microdrive, hehe.

if you got one large capacity card and it spoil while
you are in the process of happy shooting in a remote place,
wouldn't you be cursing yourself?

No. I'd be happy for the lack of trouble I had until then. Then I'd
pop in the spare microdrive (which I would get if I was going to a
remote place).

You never know when a HD will fail, right and so, do you standby a HD at home? hehe.

As I say before, even i hate to
change the card, I still think having a number of it are better
than getting one BIG one.

For critical work, I'd have several BIG ones.

BIG ones cost more esp Microdrive.

Another disadvantage of getting a BIG card. May I ask how many
times do you really upload those images only when the card is full?

Never.

So, why you bother to get something when you don't use it to max for 75% of the time?

You don't, right? You upload once you finish one set of image.

Yep.

I read your mind, haha!!!

Let's say on average, you been taking at most 256MB and you upload.
Therefore, only that 256 MB potion been used all the time while the
rest of the space seem wasted.

Until the day I need it. Then it's not wasted. And until then it
gives me peace of mind, knowing I have the capacity.

You wasting resource, hehe. Like you having a sport car running at 50 mile/hour, haha!!!

Since the rest of the space you hardly use, could they be written
if you went on a tour and you shoot over the 256MB mark? It is a
50/50 chance of not functioning as in my view.

Superstition. Hard disks don't work that way. Especially not a
microdrive. It either works or it doesn't.

Remember, microdrive
function like a HD and therefore, the inner tracks first and then
the outer.

Of course. Which has no relevance what so ever on the functionality
of the tracks.

Remember, first come first serve basic.

Base on my view, I don't go for Microdrive if I got another choice.

If I could get solid state cards at the same, or only slightly
higher, price, I would go for it. Unfortunately that's not so. A
1GB drive is a bit over $200. A 512 meg solid state is around $200.
At twice the cost, I'll leave solid state for the paranoid.

Think of it, why microdrive could be so cheap while CF card not? microdrive do has mechanical parts and therefore, chances of spoiling is high, hehe. Take it as HD as Microdrive, Ram as CF card, you know why, right?

Maybe different ppl having different view on microdrive but for my,
unless I really got make full use of it else, forget it.

I get full use of it. I can shoot away without worrying about
space. To me that's worth having it.

To other, it might not, right? hehe.

--
Jesper

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http://www.pbase.com/clck

 

[John Stavick]

If you own a company like minolta, nikon etc... will you give those
high end camera with at least 64MB or 128MB Memory card?

I think it's like putting a 2 gallon gas tank on a NASCAR

 

[theswede #100093]

I use a real OS, so I have no problems downloading from the camera.

I am also using WinXP and therefore, it depends on your PC, not the
OS, haha!!!

That's what I said; I use a real OS.

Right now I use a Linux kernel with a Slackware GNU on top. I've also been delving in various BSD flavors.

Windows is pathetic when it comes to stability. Yes, XP is better than it was, but you don't get 100 day uptimes with no driver problems with it. I get that routinely.

Try viewing it on LCD rather than EVF, I bet you could take those
100-150 again ;-)

I always use LCD.

You never know when a HD will fail, right and so, do you standby a
HD at home? hehe.

Yes, I do. I have a couple of Maxtor 80GB ATA133 disks ready in case of failure.

For critical work, I'd have several BIG ones.

BIG ones cost more esp Microdrive.

Microdrives are cheap. You say so yourself further down.

So, why you bother to get something when you don't use it to max
for 75% of the time?

Because it gives me peace of mind. I have, on two or three occasions, needed over 250 pictures in one setting. I was so glad I had a Microdrive then.

When I start doing model shoots with an external battery pack I plan on 300+ pictures per session. Then I'll be really happy I don't have to switch cards or batteries during a session.

You wasting resource, hehe. Like you having a sport car running at
50 mile/hour, haha!!!

I have a sports car. I've never done over 115 mph in it, but quite often I'm stuck at 35, or even 25 mph because of local regulations, conditions etc. However, having the capacity, maneouverability and stability still makes my drive more enjoyable. It's worth it to me, despite that I can't use the full capability very often.

Think of it, why microdrive could be so cheap while CF card not?
microdrive do has mechanical parts and therefore, chances of
spoiling is high, hehe. Take it as HD as Microdrive, Ram as CF
card, you know why, right?

Because it's cheaper to manufacture. Higher cost does not automatically mean higher reliability. Creating solid state memory is expensive and error prone; a lot of memories never leave the factory because they fail in testing.

In this case, yes, microdrives are less reliable. However, they're still so reliable that it doesn't matter; by the time they're likely to fail (if treated well), 1GB is going to be a paltry amount of memory anyway.

I get full use of it. I can shoot away without worrying about
space. To me that's worth having it.

To other, it might not, right? hehe.

Of course. I'm not arguing that you must agree with me and get an MD. I'm arguing that there are more sides to it than you acknowledge in your post. For me, a microdrive is currently the best choice. In six months it may not be, if solid state cards drop enough in price.

--
Jesper

 

[Dman]

Of course. I'm not arguing that you must agree with me and get an
MD. I'm arguing that there are more sides to it than you
acknowledge in your post. For me, a microdrive is currently the
best choice. In six months it may not be, if solid state cards drop
enough in price.

--
Jesper

Time will tell, haha!!!

Dman

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http://www.pbase.com/clck

 

[Mike Roberts]

Except for dropping a microdrive and the random electron knocked
for a loop by cosmic rays (which is more likely the bigger the
memory) it is almost certain that any corruptions you have
experienced are actually during a write operation and that you
don't notice (and, often, the writing device doesn't either) until
the card is removed and put in another device (or back in the
camera).

Thanks for making my point.

No. Your point was that the greatest risk was while the CF was out of the camera. I did not mean to imply that a corrupted CF would allow downloads to be done if the CF was left in the camera. The implication I was making was that a bad write does not matter until that spot is reread by another device OR DURING A DOWNLOAD (but I can see how you jumped on that to think I was making your pont).

Since I never take the card out, but just shoot away and then
download straight from the cam to the 'puter, and then format the
card in camera to empty it, I'm minimizing my risk.

No. The risk has very little to do with whether the CF is in the camera or not (except for dropping microdrives and loss/stolen media).

Plus another annoyance is that downloading from the camera is incredibly slow compared to using a reader.

If I had several cards and kept swapping, I might run into the
problem you just described. Now I neatly avoid it.

No you don't. Except for a drop of a microdrive, the risks to idle media are the same whether in camera or not. Writing is the most dangerous time. The more you images you write to one device the more you potentially lose when that device has a problem.

On my trip last summer I had a CF go wacky on the first day. About 64 pics on it. As it was I just put it aside and kept shooting with the other eggs in my basket. When I got home, thanks to PhotoRescue and the luck of how bad the corruption was not, I was able to get all but one of the images off the CF. The CF works fine today so it was not a failure, but a corruption and almost certainly occured when writing the one image that could not be retrieved.

Mike Roberts

 

[theswede #100093]

No. Your point was that the greatest risk was while the CF was out
of the camera.

Not really. The act of swapping is the largest risk.

I did not mean to imply that a corrupted CF would
allow downloads to be done if the CF was left in the camera. The
implication I was making was that a bad write does not matter until
that spot is reread by another device OR DURING A DOWNLOAD (but I
can see how you jumped on that to think I was making your pont).

Conceded.

No. The risk has very little to do with whether the CF is in the
camera or not (except for dropping microdrives and loss/stolen
media).

Except for the two major causes of problems, in my experience. The ones you listed. Yes.

Plus another annoyance is that downloading from the camera is
incredibly slow compared to using a reader.

Doesn't matter to me, but yes, it is. I just plug it in and start going through batteries, cleaning filters, all that routine stuff. When I'm done the download has been done for ages already.

No you don't. Except for a drop of a microdrive, the risks to idle
media are the same whether in camera or not. Writing is the most
dangerous time. The more you images you write to one device the
more you potentially lose when that device has a problem.

Actually swapping cards is much more dangerous. You expose the camera to the elements (rain, snow, dust, sweat etc.) and you risk dropping both camera and media. In the middle of a metal show, shooting from the pit, it's rather dangerous to swap cards.

On my trip last summer I had a CF go wacky on the first day. About
64 pics on it. As it was I just put it aside and kept shooting with
the other eggs in my basket. When I got home, thanks to PhotoRescue
and the luck of how bad the corruption was not, I was able to get
all but one of the images off the CF. The CF works fine today so it
was not a failure, but a corruption and almost certainly occured
when writing the one image that could not be retrieved.

So far I have yet to have a single problem from writing. If I have one in a situation like that, I'd either do what you did (swap cards to my other MD, then fix it back at the hotel) or use a Therepin and fix it on the spot.

--
Jesper