Why I think D60 not 1D

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If you compare similar sample images in Steve's Digicams reviews,
the d60 pics look soft. It is almost as if the lens wasn't
focussed. I am now thinking I better start saving for a 1D unless
the pics on that site are not representative. Perhaps Steve's
Digicams is trying to sell the 1D by posting out of focus d60 pics.
They are appalling!!!!!
From what I have observed, Steve shoots
the test photos for each camera when he
gets it with whatever lens he has available
or gets for it. So:
  • the photos were taken on different days
with different lighting conditions
  • and with different lenses.
If you want to compare the D30 and the D60
with the same lens and photos shot within
minutes of each other look at the following
thread:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=2322447

Greetings,
--Robert F. Tobler http://ray.cg.tuwien.ac.at/rft/Photography/
 
Battery life doesn't seem to be much of an issue. But you need to condition new batteries by runing them through a complete charge/discharge cycle three times. The 1D's charger has a button you push to do this automatically.

Once you do this, battery life seems fine. But since you can't 'top off" partially discarged batteries, spares are a necessary part of life.

The 1D's battery pack is a lot bigger and heavier than the D30's. But so is the 1D overall. We are spoiled by the Lithium-Ion batteries on the D30. I guess the power needs of 1D were large enough that the Lithium technology couldn't handle it. But I would not give up one feature of the 1D to have a better, lighter, longer-lasting battery.

IMHO, as a new 1D owner, there is no battery issue. Except as one of those fears one agonizes over when trying to screw up one's courage to spend that much money on a camera. In real life usage, there isn't a problem. Like the banding fears.
I am trying to decide between the 1D and D60 myself. I need to
shoot in low light (theatre lighting) and the D30 has problems
there. My biggest concern with the 1D is the battery life I think.
What has been your experience as for a s battery life goes? I
currently use a !gig microdrive and would like to continue doing so.

Another point I would like to state. I get banding with my D30 at
ISO 800 or higher when there are dark backgrounds. For a long time
I thought it was something I was doing because is happens randomly.
So anyone thinking the D60 is going to be banding free might want
to do some more evaluation. I typically see the banding when I
have a bright forground object and a dark background where I have
purposely underexposed the shoot to prevent the forground from
blowing out.

Rodney
but you have to wonder about
every picture and the banding problem.
Said by someone who doesn't own one. As usual. :)

Well I own one and I never worry about banding and even if I did,
I certainly wouldn't worry with every shot. It's just not that
big a problem in real life. In real life I haven't once gotten a
picture that had banding so bad I couldn't use it unless it had
other things so bad I couldn't use it anyway.
So the Big D is not an alternative, it is handicapped and the D60
is not.
The D60 is handicapped by it's AF. It's better than the D30's but
not much better. I got to handle the D60 at the last COBA meeting
and on the very first shot, I pressed the button and got the same
darn hunting behavior that drives me crazy with the D30. The next
shot went better and even with the hunting it was faster about it.
But it still wouldn't meet my needs. It's still not an AF system
along the lines of an EOS3.
For what each is designed to do, the D60 does it and the 1D
does not.
What nonesense. The 1D was designed for the pj and sports shooter
and the pj and sport shooter love them. I love mine. It does
exactly what I want it to do -- which is operate like a film camera
while taking action shots in low light.

(Likewise both the D30 and D60 do what they were designed to do as
far as I can tell.)
Wow, what am I supposed to do?
Think for yourself. ;) What do the folks who do the sort of
photography you do think about it? I mean the ones who actually
own and use the camera. Listen to them, try it out yourself , look
at the samples on this forum and elsewhere and form your own
judgement. Don't worry about what "everyone else" says. There will
always be someone who thinks some camera stinks even the most
absolutely perfect one. Most of the people whining about the 1D
never even tried one. So why listen to them when trying to figure
out how the camera will perform in real life?
To me, it looks like the camera is poised to graciously go into the
background as Canon totally replaces it eventually.
You mean like they replaced the D30? ;) In the digital world, all
camera bodies are a consumable comodity. They are just like
computers this way. They get replaced every 2 years or so so you
get 2x as much "stuff" for the same or a lower price.
The new one
will not be handicapped but give clean pictures just like it is
supposed to at each given ISO.
Yeah, well, I've noticed on this forum that cameras that aren't out
yet are perfect and cameras that are out are handcapped/defective.
:) Even the D60 that everyone was raving about a month ago is now
being trashed for not being perfect. So until it's out, I'll
reserve judgement about this mythical perfect camera if you don't
mind.

Marie
 
Battery life doesn't seem to be much of an issue.
For me either. I don't keep records of my battery consumption so I can only give you general impressions. I find I can go for a whole "event" (anywhere from 2 to 5 hours) shooting anywhere from 300 to 1000 pix and rarely have to change the battery. I tend to shoot with IS on all the time and I chimp a lot too. So it's not like I'm trying to conserve the battery either.

To give you an idea, at the Olympics I shot 1 or 2 events every day, 6 days out of 7 (plus 3 days when I was just doing random "vacation snapshot" stuff and not going to events) using a combination of 2 512mg CF and 2 1g Microdrives. I had 3 batteries but I only needed the 3rd one two times and both time I had forgotten to charge or top off batteries when I could have. Most days I used one to 1.5 charges. In fact, I'm sorry I got the 3rd battery. I really didn't need it.
But since you can't
'top off" partially discarged batteries, spares are a necessary
part of life.
Actually you can. But if you do that you need to recondition them about once a month so they don't develop a memory. Generally I try to avoid it but I'm not religious about it.
But I would
not give up one feature of the 1D to have a better, lighter,
longer-lasting battery.
You can say that again!

Marie
 
I doubt that.
Quick dirty disposable with the best bang for buck is the way for
me to go.
There is nothing quick, dirty, or disposable about the D30/D60.
Three months ago, the D30 was the hot setup. It hasn't diminished
in quality just because some new models have been announced.

Let me know when you're ready to throw yours away. I'd
dumpster-dive for another D30.
--
EB
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Cheers
James Young
http://yjy.biz
 

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