Why all the hating on Adobe?

[lumigraphics]

Adobe has changed from an engineering-focused company to a bunch of corporate moneygrubbers. Same thing that happened to Boeing, and similar result. Adobe is screwing a lot of its customers with its business practices and surprise! Its causing a lot of complaints.

They are a publicly traded company, so they have to answer to the shareholders, who are the real owners. If a publicly traded company screws up, then there is usually a takeover attempt or an effort to replace the board of directors. Adobe is not a non-profit or public benefit corporation, like PBS (in the US).

Interesting that I as the OP am getting favorable comments from other people in IT. They get good, well-paying jobs only in companies that are profitable.

If a company is not profitable, that's bad for the employees. I've been through several shutdowns and downsizings. Ugly for everyone, including the survivors.

Like it or not, Adobe is owned by shareholders. Of course, if you don't like this business model, AND you have the requisite software skills, you can always start a project to do an Open Source non-destructive RAW editor. (Forget the DAM and other parts.) After all GIMP exists as a Photoshop workalike. Why not a Lightroom workalike.

Well said.

I may as well add to this. We're retired and we don't eat steak every day but we don't eat Kraft dinner daily either. We both worked near 40 years and put money away. We use a financial planner. We get together once a year to discuss our portfolio. Sometimes they suggest to move funds. If you do that you take out of one business and add to another. Does anyone ever ask which companies you are hurting? I don't. I don't care as long as we continue to get a reasonable rate of return.

One of my favourite Bond lines. Mads made a good villain. Not the best but up there.

Selfishness will get you everywhere.

 

[lumigraphics]

Capitalism is wonderful for the 1%. Everyone else is screwed.

I wander how much do you know about socialism?

I consider myself a Democratic Socialist, so probably more than you.

I think the internet where anyone can say whatever they want to has twisted some of these terms.

While capitalism has its flaws I would not want it the other way. Karl Marx's great vision had a massive flaw. He did not factor in that humans are greedy and power hungry. Everyone was supposed to be equal but the ones running the show took advantage of the power they were given and did much better than the masses.

If we pay school taxes that is socialism. In a healthy society people are allowed to build businesses, etc and get rich. It does not bother me If they worked for it or it was handed down. That's life. Everyone pays taxes (or is supposed to) to fund education, military, police, medical research, space programs, infrastructure and the list goes. The money has to come from somewhere and I sure would not want the government to run businesses to raise it. It is also flawed because people take advantage of it. I would still not want it the other way.

I'm all for healthy corporate citizenship. NOT abuse and exploitation.

But, lots of people only care about themselves and screw the less fortunate.

 

[Zeee]

Capitalism is wonderful for the 1%. Everyone else is screwed.

I wander how much do you know about socialism?

I consider myself a Democratic Socialist, so probably more than you.

You can consider yourself whatever you want. To know socialism you have to live in it. Have you?

Are you talking about socialism or communism? They are not the same thing.

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You just need to keep the forests wet

 

[Zeee]

Adobe has changed from an engineering-focused company to a bunch of corporate moneygrubbers. Same thing that happened to Boeing, and similar result. Adobe is screwing a lot of its customers with its business practices and surprise! Its causing a lot of complaints.

They are a publicly traded company, so they have to answer to the shareholders, who are the real owners. If a publicly traded company screws up, then there is usually a takeover attempt or an effort to replace the board of directors. Adobe is not a non-profit or public benefit corporation, like PBS (in the US).

Interesting that I as the OP am getting favorable comments from other people in IT. They get good, well-paying jobs only in companies that are profitable.

If a company is not profitable, that's bad for the employees. I've been through several shutdowns and downsizings. Ugly for everyone, including the survivors.

Like it or not, Adobe is owned by shareholders. Of course, if you don't like this business model, AND you have the requisite software skills, you can always start a project to do an Open Source non-destructive RAW editor. (Forget the DAM and other parts.) After all GIMP exists as a Photoshop workalike. Why not a Lightroom workalike.

Well said.

I may as well add to this. We're retired and we don't eat steak every day but we don't eat Kraft dinner daily either. We both worked near 40 years and put money away. We use a financial planner. We get together once a year to discuss our portfolio. Sometimes they suggest to move funds. If you do that you take out of one business and add to another. Does anyone ever ask which companies you are hurting? I don't. I don't care as long as we continue to get a reasonable rate of return.

One of my favourite Bond lines. Mads made a good villain. Not the best but up there.

Selfishness will get you everywhere.

It did.

 

[Zeee]

Capitalism is wonderful for the 1%. Everyone else is screwed.

I wander how much do you know about socialism?

I consider myself a Democratic Socialist, so probably more than you.

I think the internet where anyone can say whatever they want to has twisted some of these terms.

While capitalism has its flaws I would not want it the other way. Karl Marx's great vision had a massive flaw. He did not factor in that humans are greedy and power hungry. Everyone was supposed to be equal but the ones running the show took advantage of the power they were given and did much better than the masses.

If we pay school taxes that is socialism. In a healthy society people are allowed to build businesses, etc and get rich. It does not bother me If they worked for it or it was handed down. That's life. Everyone pays taxes (or is supposed to) to fund education, military, police, medical research, space programs, infrastructure and the list goes. The money has to come from somewhere and I sure would not want the government to run businesses to raise it. It is also flawed because people take advantage of it. I would still not want it the other way.

I'm all for healthy corporate citizenship. NOT abuse and exploitation.

But, lots of people only care about themselves and screw the less fortunate.

Describe abuse and exploitation? If anyone pirates movies, music, software etc that is theft. I know people who do it. I'll guess a fair number of people here know someone that and you might also know someone. I've seen brag about it. 30 years ago when the big thing was to pirate satellite signals everyone knew someone. When boxes were spiked they had to go to their guy or girl and get their cards reprogrammed. No matter how big or small it is still theft.

 

[Jacques Cornell]

Adobe has changed from an engineering-focused company to a bunch of corporate moneygrubbers. Same thing that happened to Boeing, and similar result. Adobe is screwing a lot of its customers with its business practices and surprise! Its causing a lot of complaints.

They are a publicly traded company, so they have to answer to the shareholders, who are the real owners. If a publicly traded company screws up, then there is usually a takeover attempt or an effort to replace the board of directors. Adobe is not a non-profit or public benefit corporation, like PBS (in the US).

Interesting that I as the OP am getting favorable comments from other people in IT. They get good, well-paying jobs only in companies that are profitable.

If a company is not profitable, that's bad for the employees. I've been through several shutdowns and downsizings. Ugly for everyone, including the survivors.

Like it or not, Adobe is owned by shareholders. Of course, if you don't like this business model, AND you have the requisite software skills, you can always start a project to do an Open Source non-destructive RAW editor. (Forget the DAM and other parts.) After all GIMP exists as a Photoshop workalike. Why not a Lightroom workalike.

Capitalism is wonderful for the 1%. Everyone else is screwed.

Add "unregulated" to the start of that sentence. Capitalism harnessed to human well-being can be a marvelous thing.

 

[lumigraphics]

Capitalism is wonderful for the 1%. Everyone else is screwed.

I wander how much do you know about socialism?

I consider myself a Democratic Socialist, so probably more than you.

I think the internet where anyone can say whatever they want to has twisted some of these terms.

While capitalism has its flaws I would not want it the other way. Karl Marx's great vision had a massive flaw. He did not factor in that humans are greedy and power hungry. Everyone was supposed to be equal but the ones running the show took advantage of the power they were given and did much better than the masses.

If we pay school taxes that is socialism. In a healthy society people are allowed to build businesses, etc and get rich. It does not bother me If they worked for it or it was handed down. That's life. Everyone pays taxes (or is supposed to) to fund education, military, police, medical research, space programs, infrastructure and the list goes. The money has to come from somewhere and I sure would not want the government to run businesses to raise it. It is also flawed because people take advantage of it. I would still not want it the other way.

I'm all for healthy corporate citizenship. NOT abuse and exploitation.

But, lots of people only care about themselves and screw the less fortunate.

Describe abuse and exploitation? If anyone pirates movies, music, software etc that is theft. I know people who do it. I'll guess a fair number of people here know someone that and you might also know someone. I've seen brag about it. 30 years ago when the big thing was to pirate satellite signals everyone knew someone. When boxes were spiked they had to go to their guy or girl and get their cards reprogrammed. No matter how big or small it is still theft.

Elon Musk gets 77% approval from shareholders to get back his big, $44.9 billion Tesla pay package

If they approve an all-stock compensation package for Musk that was thrown out this year by a Delaware judge, it would almost guarantee he would remain at the company.

apnews.com

But you probably think that's ok.

 

[Zeee]

Capitalism is wonderful for the 1%. Everyone else is screwed.

I wander how much do you know about socialism?

I consider myself a Democratic Socialist, so probably more than you.

I think the internet where anyone can say whatever they want to has twisted some of these terms.

While capitalism has its flaws I would not want it the other way. Karl Marx's great vision had a massive flaw. He did not factor in that humans are greedy and power hungry. Everyone was supposed to be equal but the ones running the show took advantage of the power they were given and did much better than the masses.

If we pay school taxes that is socialism. In a healthy society people are allowed to build businesses, etc and get rich. It does not bother me If they worked for it or it was handed down. That's life. Everyone pays taxes (or is supposed to) to fund education, military, police, medical research, space programs, infrastructure and the list goes. The money has to come from somewhere and I sure would not want the government to run businesses to raise it. It is also flawed because people take advantage of it. I would still not want it the other way.

I'm all for healthy corporate citizenship. NOT abuse and exploitation.

But, lots of people only care about themselves and screw the less fortunate.

Describe abuse and exploitation? If anyone pirates movies, music, software etc that is theft. I know people who do it. I'll guess a fair number of people here know someone that and you might also know someone. I've seen brag about it. 30 years ago when the big thing was to pirate satellite signals everyone knew someone. When boxes were spiked they had to go to their guy or girl and get their cards reprogrammed. No matter how big or small it is still theft.

https://apnews.com/article/tesla-el...eholder-vote-8b6cce1a1aa460dbbaac69eb73e0e5e7

But you probably think that's ok.

No I don't. Every movie I watched I either rented from Blockbuster or I had set if DVD's I did purchase which were my favourites. I gave them and my players to a charity. I own 3 movies via Prime which we stream. LOTR - the extended versions because we watch it every year. I haven't had a player for over 7 years now. I stream the rest of the movies via Netflix, Crave, etc or I rent through my cable company.

Every song on my iPhone is from an extensive CD set all purchased which we also gave to charity. A few others I purchased from Apple.

I've never pirated software or Satellite.

Also I'd like to apologize to the mods for going off topic a bit. Maybe a small cushion once in a while is OK. I don't know but this really going nowhere either so time get back to software and cameras.

 

[Greybeard2023]

I'm not sure if its the same for all locations but I just extended my Adobe subscription for another year on Amazon for 40% off - that seems a pretty good deal