Why a Mac and not a PC

[Negative287]

There has been several polls conducted on this topic and every time Windows came out as the most user friendly OS. Apple's even make you hunt for the applications in an explorer like view (or you can use that stupid bar at the bottom, that takes up valuable screen real estate).

All this talk about how Macs are easier to use.....

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'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln

 

[Negative287]

1. Can you network a mac to a pc computer and share files?

Yes. In fact yu will find working on a mac easier.

Unlikely!

2. When one does buy a mac how many other programs come with it
like word, outlook ect. or similar.

Depending ont he model, you might get most "lifestyle" packages in
the box. Most will already come with Mail, Address Book, iPhoto,
iTunes and some will come with iLife or even iWorks.

Mail comes with Windows and it has an Address Book... Image Browsing also comes with window and Picasa is free! As for iWorks, it isn't a standard or even close to being a standard... I would use Open Office before I would use that.

3. Is a mac of the same value realy faster and better than a pc?

That depends. If you can save most of your valuable system
resources on your work instead of worrying about viruses, would
that be a better value?

Virus Scanners and Anti-Spyware Programs all have small footprints now but this was a really nice try!

4. If and when comunicating with other people via email or the
internet that have pc is it a problem?

Huh? What problem? BTW, both the PC and MAC platforms are pretty
stnadardised, (i.e. most format can be read by both platforms and
shared.) To find out more why a Mac is still better, read on...

I don't see how this could be an issue, the Internet is about Packets and it doesn't care what is on the other end! Now certain routers on the other hand claim they don't work with Mac's and for the first year FIOS was out they wouldn't support an Apple!

5.Does this Apeture program convert most raw files on the market?

Yes. If not, there will be releasing an upgrade the moment a new
camera is launched.

A waste of Money as it is highly overpriced! Wait, Adobe will have a competitor within 6 months! Also, there was quite an uproar from some Mac Groups at the pricing of Aperture and that prompted Apple to discount it.

6. How user friendly is a mac?

Way more than a PC. The only time a PC is "more" user friendly than
a Mac is when a Pc user uses it for the first time. Most dual users
are diplomatic as maybe they like the idea of pirated softwares
more readily available on a PC. I have never looked back ever
sinced I switch to a Mac when they introduced the OSX.

What? That isn't true at all! I have both Mac OS X and Windows XP running here and the Windows interface is 10x more logical and organized!

8. Can one customise the mac opperating system like I can with
windows?

You bet!

No, you can't customize the GUI anywhere near as much as you can Windows! You just can't, most of the options to do so aren't there!

Most importantly, Mac is based on Unix which makes it more stable.
BTW, if you ever make a switch, you can say goodbye to one thing
when u use a PC, ststem hang.

Hmm, One little Acronym blows this whole argument out of the water! SCO!

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'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln

 

[champ3jd]

There are wayyyy more pc's than macs. I'm not discriminating as I have both, thats just the way it is!
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[Robert Peters]

(nt)

 

[Negative287]

You first!

(nt)

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'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln

 

[Negative287]

You're talking about the polls...

Go search CNET and Ziff Davis these polls really do exist!

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'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln

 

[Negative287]

Prove it!

Disney is financially behind Crossover Office and they really like Linux based PC's... Nasa has made some very complex math projects for the open source world and open claims to use AMD and Linux (last time I checked there were no AMD based Macs)...

Now as for the Star Wars Trilogy I have no idea what they used but if they're like the rest of the rendering world they used Linux rendering Clusters along with Maya for Linux...

I would say the burden of proof is on you here as everything I've stated is openly available all over the web!

...and too many others to count use Macs. Lets face it PCs are in
the cubicles... millions of them.

PCs rule for gaming.

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'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln

 

[PaulBearer]

there are more PC's. They are much easier for virus writers to attack.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is just listening to the PC owners whistling past the graveyard.

 

[Robert Peters]

retired and tire easily

Bob Peters

 

[Antal I Kozma]

Paid a fellow Photographer a visit and he has a new mac pro
something laptop.

As a PC user and never worked on a mac I see he is using a program
called Apeture to convert raw files and do basic editing to his
photos. This seemed easy and good especialy all the archiving and
email feutures built in.

Now I wonder am I missing something? and have the following questions

1. Can you network a mac to a pc computer and share files?

2. When one does buy a mac how many other programs come with it
like word, outlook ect. or similar.

3. Is a mac of the same value realy faster and better than a pc?

4. If and when comunicating with other people via email or the
internet that have pc is it a problem?

5.Does this Apeture program convert most raw files on the market?
6. How user friendly is a mac?
8. Can one customise the mac opperating system like I can with
windows?

A reply from someone who has gone from PC to Mac will be apreciated

Thanks

Deon

Hi Deon,

I guess you already have gotten your answers from so many. Mac versus PC is always a beehive, lots of responses from both camps and between. Let me chime in too. Nothing scientific, just my take on the subject.

I am a Graphic Designer / Photographer, an old timer. As such I have been using Macs and PCs intermittently for a long time. However, I always get the shivers from the PCs. There is nothing wrong with the hardware, just that somehow a Windows PC always more complicated when something to be adjusted, tweaked, looked after, etc. On the other hand Macs are quite friendly to use in general. I somehow compare it to automatic transmission versus gearshift transmission. Now I am getting into trouble. Why? Well some of us prefer a stick-shift car to an automatic. If you know how to drive it then it makes your driving experience more fun. More responsible to your commands, it is you who decide about when to shift down or up not the machine. Some say; what fun is that? My car does it on its own. Well, that is my point. Macs are mostly used by creative professionals who like to shift gears as they want. They like to use intuitive interfaces and like to navigate through settings without the need of alarming Maintenance Department. Why is then that so many people drive automatic cars and use Windows PCs? Well, mass production for the masses to satisfy the masses. My wife never has driven a standard car, so her take is that it is no good. It is complicated she says. Hmmm, quite the contrary. It is easy to learn and more fun to drive than an automatic. It is more responsive, it is more fuel economical, but it requires a little bit of desire for knowing how to control an instrument. As opposed to letting the instrument to control you.

Well, Macs and PCs are getting closer to each other as of interactivity and interchangeability goes. That is good in general. We Mac users had some market-imposed limitations on us for a long time since some software was produced for Windows only. That, mostly, has been gone long time ago. Now the differences between the two systems are almost nothing else but the OS and the GUI. Software that one time was PC only now available for the Mac, like MS Office. I have been using MS Office on my Mac for years. I am not the only one who noted that it actually runs smoother on the Mac than on its Windows PC brother. Which is just fine with me. I am staying with the Mac since it is so much more aligned with my style of driving. I still use my PC since I need AutoCad regularly, which is still a PC only program. However, my next Mac upgrade will be an Intel based Mac desktop with dual processors, maxed out with RAM, RAID drives and a top of the line workstation graphic card. Then I’ll run my Windows programs on that machine too. The Windows OS still will remain Windows like but I am getting used to it. Anyway, we’ll se what Vista will do for us.

One more thing to mention: it is thought by many that Macs are expensive. Well, it is relative to what you want. Many times when I was putting together my order for a top of the line Windows workstation I realized that it was actually much costlier than my top of the line Mac was. I just was checking some prices today for the company. And guess what, by the time I dressed up the PC workstation it was about $ 400 more than the top of the line comparable Mac. So, you get what you pay for. Cheap PCs for cheap prices, professional ones for quite a bit of money. Ther you go, might as well have a Mac.

Well that is my oil to the fire. I suggest that you dive into the Mac, use it for a year or so, then you will know what I was talking about here.

All my best to everyone with a camera and a computer, let it be Nikon or Canon, Mac or PC.

Cheers,
AIK

 

[Randy Khayman]

Wait a minute, u mean you didnt know that the "stupid bar" at the the bottom known as the dock can be hidden and appear when you drag the mouse down? How can that taking up valuable screen space? Even the dock is easier to use than to click on "start" and then hunt for the category, and then.. and then... zzzzz

Apple makes us hunt for application in an explorer like view? Er.... You sure u were using a mac when this happens?

Mac are not easier to use. They are simply EASY to use. Period.

BTW, next time at least decently use a mac first before commenting.

All this talk about how Macs are easier to use.....

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[Randy Khayman]

I did not say there are less PC or more macs. I do admit there are more PCs. But that has nothing to do with the fact that a PC IS more vulnerable to a virus. And it is a FACT that it is harder to write a virus for a MAC.

There are wayyyy more pc's than macs. I'm not discriminating as I
have both, thats just the way it is!
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[Negative287]

Yes I know you can hide it but it never totally goes away!

Also, show me how you access an application on a Mac... Is it from an intuitive drop down menu or are you hunting through a folder labelled applications? That's what I thought...

Also, as I stated... I have OS X installed on my PC and without fail I find the PC way of thinking way more productive...

Come up with a better argument next time huh because my points are valid.

Apple makes us hunt for application in an explorer like view?
Er.... You sure u were using a mac when this happens?

Mac are not easier to use. They are simply EASY to use. Period.

BTW, next time at least decently use a mac first before commenting.

All this talk about how Macs are easier to use.....

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'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln

 

[Randy Khayman]

Yes I know you can hide it but it never totally goes away!

???? I am sitting in front of my screen right now, but I am seeing my dock.... and here you are saying it does not really go away bt you are looking at a PC running windows - -"

Also, show me how you access an application on a Mac... Is it from
an intuitive drop down menu or are you hunting through a folder
labelled applications? That's what I thought...

With pleasure! Drag the mouse down, when the dock spring up I click on the application. What? You are still doing the "search through a drop down menu thingy"? Ah wait... you are NOT on a MAC... I can understand that now.

Also, as I stated... I have OS X installed on my PC and without
fail I find the PC way of thinking way more productive...

OSX installed on your PC? Please pray! tell me where did you get a copy of OSX that can install on a PC. Or maybe you THOUGHT you had OSX was installed on your pc and therefore deduced wrongly that the PC way was more productive?

Come up with a better argument next time huh because my points are
valid.

Sure, if you actually bother to verify them first as obviously right now, you have no clue as to what I am talking about. Just because what I say is beyond your expereince doesnt make my argument bad or less valid.

Apple makes us hunt for application in an explorer like view?
Er.... You sure u were using a mac when this happens?

Mac are not easier to use. They are simply EASY to use. Period.

BTW, next time at least decently use a mac first before commenting.

All this talk about how Macs are easier to use.....

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'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to
deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it
shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln

 

[Randy Khayman]

(n/t)

 

[Ray Ritchie]

This thread has been going for two days, and you've made half a dozen posts in the last hour or so.

Frankly, I have to chuckle over some of your arguments. You seem to be using your expertise as a PC system admin to try to convince people that PC's are easy to use. I don't think that the average user wants to have to get a Windows sys admin certification in order to take care of their PC - but maybe that's just me.

Yes I know you can hide it but it never totally goes away!

Umm...go to the System preferences, click on Dock, and check "Automatically show and hide." Sorry, you lose on this one.

Also, show me how you access an application on a Mac... Is it from
an intuitive drop down menu or are you hunting through a folder
labelled applications? That's what I thought...

Well, when I access apps on my XP machine, I have to click on "Start," then scroll to "Programs," and manipulate through a couple of layers of drop-down menus to find the one I'm looking for.

When I use my Mac's, I click on the Finder icon in the lower left (same position as "Start" in PC's), click on "Applications" in the Finder window, and immediately see a list of my Applications, which I can scroll down to launch the one I want. Seems like at least a tie to me.

Peace,

Ray

 

[Negative287]

Yes I know you can hide it but it never totally goes away!

???? I am sitting in front of my screen right now, but I am seeing
my dock.... and here you are saying it does not really go away bt
you are looking at a PC running windows - -"

Is this really the best defense you have? Would you like a screenshot with this thread open in a browser window? I will gladly provide one! I'm not kidding you, I have OS X running on my PC...

Also, show me how you access an application on a Mac... Is it from
an intuitive drop down menu or are you hunting through a folder
labelled applications? That's what I thought...

With pleasure! Drag the mouse down, when the dock spring up I click
on the application. What? You are still doing the "search through a
drop down menu thingy"? Ah wait... you are NOT on a MAC... I can
understand that now.

Yeah right, that's what I thought... If it isn't on your Dock (and if you have as much software installed as I do it won't all fit on your dock) then you're off to the explorer window view to find your application! Just tell the truth, I'm right and you know it!

Also, as I stated... I have OS X installed on my PC and without
fail I find the PC way of thinking way more productive...

OSX installed on your PC? Please pray! tell me where did you get a
copy of OSX that can install on a PC. Or maybe you THOUGHT you had
OSX was installed on your pc and therefore deduced wrongly that the
PC way was more productive?

I'll leave that up to you to figure out... But I assure you it is installed on my Pentium D 820 based PC with full SSE 3 support...

Come up with a better argument next time huh because my points are
valid.

Sure, if you actually bother to verify them first as obviously
right now, you have no clue as to what I am talking about. Just
because what I say is beyond your expereince doesnt make my
argument bad or less valid.

I have verified them and I'm not talking about using an office toolbar style dock at the bottom of the screen! No, the fact that you're wrong makes your argument bad and less valid!

You can try the use it longer than 10 minutes with others but it doesn't fly with somebody who has compared it to windows fairly thoroughly...

Oh and hey, guess what... I have 64 bit Linux installed as well, do you want to tell me I don't know how that works either? Oh and guess what else, the GUI's in Linux and Windows both offer more functionality than OS X does and that's a fact so get out of your little box and check these things out for yourself!

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'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln

 

[Negative287]

This thread has been going for two days, and you've made half a
dozen posts in the last hour or so.

Frankly, I have to chuckle over some of your arguments. You seem to
be using your expertise as a PC system admin to try to convince
people that PC's are easy to use. I don't think that the average
user wants to have to get a Windows sys admin certification in
order to take care of their PC - but maybe that's just me.

We have some 700 users right now that use Windows just fine without ever having to study the system...

Yes I know you can hide it but it never totally goes away!

Umm...go to the System preferences, click on Dock, and check
"Automatically show and hide." Sorry, you lose on this one.

It doesn't totally go away and you can see the top of it as the application won't maximize all the way down to the bottom of the screen... Oh and the top bar, you can't move that at all! What I have said is quite valid.

Also, show me how you access an application on a Mac... Is it from
an intuitive drop down menu or are you hunting through a folder
labelled applications? That's what I thought...

Well, when I access apps on my XP machine, I have to click on
"Start," then scroll to "Programs," and manipulate through a couple
of layers of drop-down menus to find the one I'm looking for.

Yes and they're all right there! Very well organized...

If I were to count the folders in my Programs menu there would be some 40 folders and another 15 - 20 applications... That would make for a fairly large application list in OS X wouldn't you agree? I mean especially considering that each folder could have 5 apps in it.

When I use my Mac's, I click on the Finder icon in the lower left
(same position as "Start" in PC's), click on "Applications" in the
Finder window, and immediately see a list of my Applications, which
I can scroll down to launch the one I want. Seems like at least a
tie to me.

Ok, I can concede that it isn't all that hard but I remember when I first started playing with the OS I was like what the heck is this jumble (it has gotten a little easier to find stuff since using it but still no easier than Windows).

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'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln

 

[Negative287]

This thread has been going for two days, and you've made half a
dozen posts in the last hour or so.

This is because I like messing with Mac Addicts! =D

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'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln

 

[Robert Peters]

having OSX running on a Windows machine. Show us in a convincing, certifiable manner. Sorry, no hand-waving allowed.

Bob Peters

Yes I know you can hide it but it never totally goes away!

???? I am sitting in front of my screen right now, but I am seeing
my dock.... and here you are saying it does not really go away bt
you are looking at a PC running windows - -"

Is this really the best defense you have? Would you like a
screenshot with this thread open in a browser window? I will
gladly provide one! I'm not kidding you, I have OS X running on my
PC...

Also, show me how you access an application on a Mac... Is it from
an intuitive drop down menu or are you hunting through a folder
labelled applications? That's what I thought...

With pleasure! Drag the mouse down, when the dock spring up I click
on the application. What? You are still doing the "search through a
drop down menu thingy"? Ah wait... you are NOT on a MAC... I can
understand that now.

Yeah right, that's what I thought... If it isn't on your Dock (and
if you have as much software installed as I do it won't all fit on
your dock) then you're off to the explorer window view to find your
application! Just tell the truth, I'm right and you know it!

Also, as I stated... I have OS X installed on my PC and without
fail I find the PC way of thinking way more productive...

OSX installed on your PC? Please pray! tell me where did you get a
copy of OSX that can install on a PC. Or maybe you THOUGHT you had
OSX was installed on your pc and therefore deduced wrongly that the
PC way was more productive?

I'll leave that up to you to figure out... But I assure you it is
installed on my Pentium D 820 based PC with full SSE 3 support...

Come up with a better argument next time huh because my points are
valid.

Sure, if you actually bother to verify them first as obviously
right now, you have no clue as to what I am talking about. Just
because what I say is beyond your expereince doesnt make my
argument bad or less valid.

I have verified them and I'm not talking about using an office
toolbar style dock at the bottom of the screen! No, the fact that
you're wrong makes your argument bad and less valid!

You can try the use it longer than 10 minutes with others but it
doesn't fly with somebody who has compared it to windows fairly
thoroughly...

Oh and hey, guess what... I have 64 bit Linux installed as well, do
you want to tell me I don't know how that works either? Oh and
guess what else, the GUI's in Linux and Windows both offer more
functionality than OS X does and that's a fact so get out of your
little box and check these things out for yourself!

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'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to
deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it
shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln