who else is tired of the same?

[River Photography]

Comments on rolling shutter. this quote is from the latest DPR comments on the a7r5

Cons. "Severe rolling shutter for e-shutter and many video mode"

Ive been shooting amateur video for years and have never noticed it using any of my

cameras Pentax. k7, em5,epl5,em52,em12,a6300 a7r2, a74 and so on.

ive shot dance concerts ,fast action netball, kids running, playing on swings, with all of them. in fact in 10 years of watching dpr reviews ive never seen it in any of the review videos neither. Im i missing something here ? not all of us shake the camera wildly or try to film a fly wising around our heads in front of an air-conditioning vent ;-). or shoot F1 cars down a straight from 40meters. We just shoot normal videos.

Rp

feel free to post your videos where rolling shutter totally destroyed them.

 

[photogopinion]

Me2

 

[Nigvo]

Comments on rolling shutter. this quote is from the latest DPR comments on the a7r5

Cons. "Severe rolling shutter for e-shutter and many video mode"

Ive been shooting amateur video for years and have never noticed it using any of my

cameras Pentax. k7, em5,epl5,em52,em12,a6300 a7r2, a74 and so on.

ive shot dance concerts ,fast action netball, kids running, playing on swings, with all of them. in fact in 10 years of watching dpr reviews ive never seen it in any of the review videos neither. Im i missing something here ? not all of us shake the camera wildly or try to film a fly wising around our heads in front of an air-conditioning vent ;-). or shoot F1 cars down a straight from 40meters. We just shoot normal videos.

Rp

feel free to post your videos where rolling shutter totally destroyed them.

Off topic, but I would add all those comments about the Nikon Z cameras having poor autofocus. My Z7 gets things in focus perfectly for my photography.

I have never had any problems getting stuff in focus. Even with my old FM2 and a manual focus 300 2.8, I got shots that were perfectly in focus when I shot theatre and football.

The trend is to blame the gear for our lack of skill. Seems people cannot get pictures of birds in focus, if they do not have some "birds eye focus" gismo.

 

[River Photography]

Comments on rolling shutter. this quote is from the latest DPR comments on the a7r5

Cons. "Severe rolling shutter for e-shutter and many video mode"

Ive been shooting amateur video for years and have never noticed it using any of my

cameras Pentax. k7, em5,epl5,em52,em12,a6300 a7r2, a74 and so on.

ive shot dance concerts ,fast action netball, kids running, playing on swings, with all of them. in fact in 10 years of watching dpr reviews ive never seen it in any of the review videos neither. Im i missing something here ? not all of us shake the camera wildly or try to film a fly wising around our heads in front of an air-conditioning vent ;-). or shoot F1 cars down a straight from 40meters. We just shoot normal videos.

Rp

feel free to post your videos where rolling shutter totally destroyed them.

Off topic, but I would add all those comments about the Nikon Z cameras having poor autofocus. My Z7 gets things in focus perfectly for my photography.

ive seen bird photographers use the z7 cameras with great results with bird in flight images.

I have never had any problems getting stuff in focus. Even with my old FM2 and a manual focus 300 2.8, I got shots that were perfectly in focus when I shot theatre and football.

The trend is to blame the gear for our lack of skill. Seems people cannot get pictures of birds in focus, if they do not have some "birds eye focus" gismo.

we all must use really bad cameras if you go on what reviewers comment on . we must use the R5, A1 or the z9 to get anything in focus or perfectly vertical power poles as we video a car driving past our homes, dont tell anyone but that's my fav genre of photography ;-)

This is a quote from a post the other day, seriously ! unusable ? lol

"The A63000 like that A7R series have a readout of 1/15 this makes the camera unusable for video as you can't even do a slow pan and rolling shutter and warping would kick in"

id love to see the videos

RP

 

[photogopinion]

I like those who complain the AF focuses on an eyelash, not the eyeball, when they really should be worrying about how out of focus their model’s nose is.

 

[River Photography]

I just watched so many netball vids taken on the pathetic a7r2 and paused the frames 20 times and could not find any rolling shutter.

fast pan following the action , i cant see the light pole or anything out of shape. i must defiantly be missing something.



this one cracks me up . my daughter skateboard riding past a past a pole ,again fast pan with either the a7r2 or a6300 either way they are suppose to show extreme rolling shutter LOL. you actually have to stop the video to see this frame by frame ;-) sorry but im so over the over the extreme exaggeration of reviews .







Rp

 

[River Photography]

Rolling shutter to a video shooter must be like pixel peeping to a stills shooter

Rp

 

[Djehuty]

I mean BMP4k,6k, Panasonic S1,S5 all have terrible rolling shutter, didn't stop them from being decent cine cams. None of them seems to want to mention the 4k120 in Z9,A1,R5 are all lineskipped.

As for stills, I rarely find a scenario where mechanical shutter didn't do the job, animals typicall don't care or can't hear your shutter from distance away.

 

[River Photography]

I mean BMP4k,6k, Panasonic S1,S5 all have terrible rolling shutter, didn't stop them from being decent cine cams.

+1

As for stills, I rarely find a scenario where mechanical shutter didn't do the job, animals typicall don't care or can't hear your shutter from distance away.

 

[jeffnles1]

I mean BMP4k,6k, Panasonic S1,S5 all have terrible rolling shutter, didn't stop them from being decent cine cams. None of them seems to want to mention the 4k120 in Z9,A1,R5 are all lineskipped.

As for stills, I rarely find a scenario where mechanical shutter didn't do the job, animals typicall don't care or can't hear your shutter from distance away.

I shoot a D500. On rare occasion the animals will notice the shutter clicks. I've had deer look up and back in my direction when I fire off a burst of shots. By burst, I mean 3 to 4 shots. I rarely shoot more than short bursts like that.

Where the shutter click does come to play is when my wife is next to me shooting video and I'm shooting stills. The mirror slap from the D500 is clearly audible in her video. A camera wth electronic shutter would be much appreciated in those circumstances. We are wildlife/nature photographers. For portraits or landscapes I doubt if mechanical vs electronic really makes much if any difference.

Given that I do not currently own a mirrorless camera, I am "uniquely unqualified" to comment on rolling shutter in electronic shutter mode. From what I understand in talking with friends who use mirrorless cameras (sony and canon) it is not an issue when in mechanical shutter mode only in electronic mode and then only under certain circumstances.

Jeff

 

[NormSchultze]

If you shoot Airshows, rolling shutter or the absence of it matter. A lot.

 

[robgendreau]

Rolling shutter in reviews is a common problem.

The faster they churn them out in order to get views and clicks, the more they need talking points, so the more nits to pick. And given the high nit data rate readout, you get the slanted lines common in so many reviews. In both senses of that phrase. ;-)

The solution is to avoid electronic reviews, and do mechanical reviews at your local camera store, with your fleshy hands upon the actual device, used by someone who'll use it, not review it. :-D

But seriously. The truth is all modern cameras are fantastic, and it's harder and harder for the gear peepers to distinguish them. One can always find the limits of any part of camera performance. They also seem to be able to find noise at 512,000 ISO, slow writing to card speeds on 100MP sensors, and a lack of an AI mode to automatically focus on test charts.

 

[lumixuseruk]

only time i see rolling shutter involves helicopter rotors and props on propeller driven planes lol

 

[Djehuty]

I mean BMP4k,6k, Panasonic S1,S5 all have terrible rolling shutter, didn't stop them from being decent cine cams. None of them seems to want to mention the 4k120 in Z9,A1,R5 are all lineskipped.

As for stills, I rarely find a scenario where mechanical shutter didn't do the job, animals typicall don't care or can't hear your shutter from distance away.

I shoot a D500. On rare occasion the animals will notice the shutter clicks. I've had deer look up and back in my direction when I fire off a burst of shots. By burst, I mean 3 to 4 shots. I rarely shoot more than short bursts like that.

Where the shutter click does come to play is when my wife is next to me shooting video and I'm shooting stills. The mirror slap from the D500 is clearly audible in her video. A camera wth electronic shutter would be much appreciated in those circumstances. We are wildlife/nature photographers. For portraits or landscapes I doubt if mechanical vs electronic really makes much if any difference.

Given that I do not currently own a mirrorless camera, I am "uniquely unqualified" to comment on rolling shutter in electronic shutter mode. From what I understand in talking with friends who use mirrorless cameras (sony and canon) it is not an issue when in mechanical shutter mode only in electronic mode and then only under certain circumstances.

Jeff

mirrorless aren’t as loud, I agree that ES is better here but where it is a problem is on fast moving subjects where the shutter noise isn’t an issue. The specific scenario i can think of is a funeral.

 

[Horacecoker]

I made the mistake of photographing dragonflies in flight (hovering) using the electronic shutter on my Sony A6600. It resulted in some bizarre wing shapes and in some instances parts of the wings actually became detached!

 

[ThrillaMozilla]

I made the mistake of photographing dragonflies in flight (hovering) using the electronic shutter on my Sony A6600. It resulted in some bizarre wing shapes and in some instances parts of the wings actually became detached!

Yep! It isn't imaginary at all. However, to claim that a camera is unusable because of it is indeed "more of the same", and tiresome.

 

[ThrillaMozilla]

Seems people cannot get pictures of birds in focus, if they do not have some "birds eye focus" gismo.

The others either photograph stationary birds, or rely on dumb luck, persistence, and spray and pray.

I have to laugh at photographers who got a flying bird in "perfect focus" with manual exposure. I would call that more of the same.

 

[River Photography]

Rolling shutter in reviews is a common problem.

The faster they churn them out in order to get views and clicks, the more they need talking points, so the more nits to pick. And given the high nit data rate readout, you get the slanted lines common in so many reviews. In both senses of that phrase. ;-)

The solution is to avoid electronic reviews, and do mechanical reviews at your local camera store, with your fleshy hands upon the actual device, used by someone who'll use it, not review it. :-D

But seriously. The truth is all modern cameras are fantastic, and it's harder and harder for the gear peepers to distinguish them. One can always find the limits of any part of camera performance. They also seem to be able to find noise at 512,000 ISO, slow writing to card speeds on 100MP sensors, and a lack of an AI mode to automatically focus on test charts.

agree

 

[River Photography]

I mean BMP4k,6k, Panasonic S1,S5 all have terrible rolling shutter, didn't stop them from being decent cine cams. None of them seems to want to mention the 4k120 in Z9,A1,R5 are all lineskipped.

As for stills, I rarely find a scenario where mechanical shutter didn't do the job, animals typicall don't care or can't hear your shutter from distance away.

I shoot a D500. On rare occasion the animals will notice the shutter clicks. I've had deer look up and back in my direction when I fire off a burst of shots. By burst, I mean 3 to 4 shots. I rarely shoot more than short bursts like that.

Where the shutter click does come to play is when my wife is next to me shooting video and I'm shooting stills. The mirror slap from the D500 is clearly audible in her video. A camera wth electronic shutter would be much appreciated in those circumstances. We are wildlife/nature photographers. For portraits or landscapes I doubt if mechanical vs electronic really makes much if any difference.

Given that I do not currently own a mirrorless camera, I am "uniquely unqualified" to comment on rolling shutter in electronic shutter mode. From what I understand in talking with friends who use mirrorless cameras (sony and canon) it is not an issue when in mechanical shutter mode only in electronic mode and then only under certain circumstances.

Jeff

mirrorless aren’t as loud, I agree that ES is better here but where it is a problem is on fast moving subjects where the shutter noise isn’t an issue. The specific scenario i can think of is a funeral.

im surprised no one has noticed rolling shutter on the casket being carried the way people carry on you would think its a video or stills killer ;-) (sorry couldn't help myself)

Rp

 

[River Photography]

only time i see rolling shutter involves helicopter rotors and props on propeller driven planes lol

i have a better one, the spokes on a bicycle LOL.

Rp