when to expect Z7 III?

[systemguy]

No announcement or hint from Nikon but when would one expect Nikon to replace the Z7 II? with the Z7 III?

Thanks

 

[busb]

You have to wonder if there is a big enough market for a landscape type 60mp+ Z7III. I'd assume such a camera would not appeal to the videographers out there.

Most cameras are geared towards video guys now. Just the nature of the hobby

My view is that the market is geared towards both, in other words, I don't think stills photographers are being neglected despite many still-only guys wanting stills only cameras - that's even less likely than a Z7III, IMO of course.

 

[busb]

You are highlighting the fact that Nikon's solutions are poor in both cases. They do indeed work differently where U1 to U3 (my Z6) recall most if not all the settings where banks (Z9) recall the last used settings (mostly!) My view is that rather than rehashing either system - they should start from scratch.

I'd go for total flexibility with most settings resetting or not when the camera is powered back on - maybe able to use an app then transferring to the camera(s). I'd also allow all programmable buttons to be set to any programmable function rather than the sub-set Nikon chose - even if this means Nikon has to rethink how they compile camera software. The same flexibility also available to the iMenu. Lastly, I'd allow banks to be easily recalled in pairs.

 

[bhollis]

I have no idea when or even if there will be a Nikon Z7 III. My personal belief is that there likely will be, and probably sometime in the next year.

What I am sure of, though, is that Nikon will eventually release a camera (that may or may not be called a Z7 III) that will meet or exceed the wishes of those currently waiting for such a camera--i.e., a relatively small, high-megapixel body with improved AF and snappier performance.

 

[UsherFellig]

I really love my Z 7II. I'd love it more with an Xspeed 7 as a "Z 7III," but I'm certainly not going to hold my breath waiting for it. :-(

I can't think of what I'd need or want over my Z7ii. Maybe smaller/lighter body design if they developed that. Or a high-quality vintage form factor no bigger or heavier than the Z7ii, a 45mp ZF or a surprise 45mp FF S or SP rangefinder style body. No interest in a "true" rangefinder. Do not want an electronic shutter, stacked sensor, Expeed ###, all that stuff. I see that stuff as for the bigger/heavier Z9/Z8 models.

The clamoring for ever more MP is boring to me. I don't think I'd go to 60/61mp unless the body design was such a ravishing compact vintage/retro style jewel of an aesthetic I couldn't resist. Certainly won't go higher than 61mp unless I move to medium format.

 

[Testing123]

What I am sure of, though, is that Nikon will eventually release a camera (that may or may not be called a Z7 III) that will meet or exceed the wishes of those currently waiting for such a camera--i.e., a relatively small, high-megapixel body with improved AF and snappier performance.

Well, I'm probably in the minority here, but I'd very much like to upgrade my Z7 II with a small, high-megapixel body with improved autofocus and better performance all around.
Oh, and I'd REALLY like to have a sensor shield so that I can change lenses out in the field without all of the dust and spots. BTW, I just read a thread here (Does the Z8 sensor shield actually do much?: Nikon Z Mirrorless Talk Forum: Digital Photography Review) which indicates that the overwhelming majority agree the sensor shield does indeed make a positive difference.

 

[Son of Thunder]

You have to wonder if there is a big enough market for a landscape type 60mp+ Z7III. I'd assume such a camera would not appeal to the videographers out there.

Most cameras are geared towards video guys now. Just the nature of the hobby

My view is that the market is geared towards both, in other words, I don't think stills photographers are being neglected despite many still-only guys wanting stills only cameras - that's even less likely than a Z7III, IMO of course.

Megapixels have went up for over a decade. For the most part they are 24MP since the D600 and canon came with a 50MP in 2012. Electronic shutter is becoming normal which introduces rolling shutter. Most companies have given up on flash. When did Nikon last up date there flash.

 

[Stan Disbrow]

Hi,

I was interested in 60 MP until I bought a Fujifilm GFX-100 Mk-I. Now there isn't nearly as much point. If I crop the 100 MP from 4:3 to 3:2, I get 60 MP. And the same pixels as the Sony 61 MP sensor.

And I have a nice collection of medium format lenses which I would have adapted to Nikon Z. And they adapt to GFX equally well. And they would have made a Z very front heavy while they balance out fairly well on the GFX.

What I am really saying here is Nikon missed the 60 MP boat as far as I am concerned.

Electronic First Curtain Shutter solves the rolling shutter issue for me.

I think Nikon has turned over flash to the 3rd party market. I think that makes sense. Not enough ROI on those accessories to be worth bothering with further R&D.

Stan

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[chrisD46]

I really love my Z 7II. I'd love it more with an Xspeed 7 as a "Z 7III," but I'm certainly not going to hold my breath waiting for it. :-(

I can't think of what I'd need or want over my Z7ii. Maybe smaller/lighter body design if they developed that. Or a high-quality vintage form factor no bigger or heavier than the Z7ii, a 45mp ZF or a surprise 45mp FF S or SP rangefinder style body. No interest in a "true" rangefinder. Do not want an electronic shutter, stacked sensor, Expeed ###, all that stuff. I see that stuff as for the bigger/heavier Z9/Z8 models.

The clamoring for ever more MP is boring to me. I don't think I'd go to 60/61mp unless the body design was such a ravishing compact vintage/retro style jewel of an aesthetic I couldn't resist. Certainly won't go higher than 61mp unless I move to medium format.

The Z6III viewfinder is a great improvement - that needs to go into the Z7III . Diddo for the Z6III AF to appeal to wildlife photographers but also benifit landscape photographers. The Z7II sensor is already better than the Z8 so I’d be fine with no change there except to include a Z8 style sensor cover in the Z7III (great addition for out door usage).

 

[jwilton]

Sorry to bump such an older thread with this reply.

Last LapPassHow do you like your Z7II? I've had a Z7 in the past and last year moved to the ZF for travel photo. I like he color and high ISO carry about with small primes.

I feel like somethings missing for landscape images. I am concerned that a Z7III will not make sense for Nikon and prices for everything go up September 1st.

 

[LastLapPass]

Sorry to bump such an older thread with this reply.

Last LapPassHow do you like your Z7II? I've had a Z7 in the past and last year moved to the ZF for travel photo. I like he color and high ISO carry about with small primes.

I feel like somethings missing for landscape images. I am concerned that a Z7III will not make sense for Nikon and prices for everything go up September 1st.

Z7II has hit $1499 as a refirbs recently.

For landscape there is no difference in the Z7 vs Z7II.

JJ

 

[wco81]

Sorry to bump such an older thread with this reply.

Last LapPassHow do you like your Z7II? I've had a Z7 in the past and last year moved to the ZF for travel photo. I like he color and high ISO carry about with small primes.

I feel like somethings missing for landscape images. I am concerned that a Z7III will not make sense for Nikon and prices for everything go up September 1st.

Z7II has hit $1499 as a refirbs recently.

For landscape there is no difference in the Z7 vs Z7II.

JJ

Sales have to be down. Been a couple of years since the Z8? Z6iii sales are going to peter out over time as well.

It’s not a growing market so they have to entice upgrades. How many Z7 owners have already gone for Z8 and Z6iii?

Maybe a Z8ii is more likely than a Z7iii. Personally hope not, prefer smaller and lighter body.

 

[Captive18]

I really love my Z 7II. I'd love it more with an Xspeed 7 as a "Z 7III," but I'm certainly not going to hold my breath waiting for it. :-(

I can't think of what I'd need or want over my Z7ii. Maybe smaller/lighter body design if they developed that. Or a high-quality vintage form factor no bigger or heavier than the Z7ii, a 45mp ZF or a surprise 45mp FF S or SP rangefinder style body. No interest in a "true" rangefinder. Do not want an electronic shutter, stacked sensor, Expeed ###, all that stuff. I see that stuff as for the bigger/heavier Z9/Z8 models.

The clamoring for ever more MP is boring to me. I don't think I'd go to 60/61mp unless the body design was such a ravishing compact vintage/retro style jewel of an aesthetic I couldn't resist. Certainly won't go higher than 61mp unless I move to medium format.

The Z6III viewfinder is a great improvement - that needs to go into the Z7III . Diddo for the Z6III AF to appeal to wildlife photographers but also benifit landscape photographers. The Z7II sensor is already better than the Z8 so I’d be fine with no change there except to include a Z8 style sensor cover in the Z7III (great addition for out door usage).

Agreed. Only have Bird AF out of the box and same software feature set of the Z5II (at least). The Z6III is a weird mix of older software features that the Zf, Z50II, and Z5II all have, but the Z6III doesn’t.

 

[GeoffRG]

You are highlighting the fact that Nikon's solutions are poor in both cases. They do indeed work differently where U1 to U3 (my Z6) recall most if not all the settings where banks (Z9) recall the last used settings (mostly!) My view is that rather than rehashing either system - they should start from scratch.

I'd go for total flexibility with most settings resetting or not when the camera is powered back on - maybe able to use an app then transferring to the camera(s). I'd also allow all programmable buttons to be set to any programmable function rather than the sub-set Nikon chose - even if this means Nikon has to rethink how they compile camera software. The same flexibility also available to the iMenu. Lastly, I'd allow banks to be easily recalled in pairs.

You'll probably be surprised, or maybe not, to learn that I never use menu banks. I simply have different setting for AF-S and AF-C, the only thing I need to change is ISO. Then again I'm old enough that cameras didn't have settings banks, one selected the required parameters and got on with it.

Yes, a well thought out system would be nice, not that it would find its way into my cameras, I might even be tempted to try it.

 

[jwilton]

That’s my concern. I sold my Z7 to buy a ZF and primes for travel photo (without having to be visible with the 24-70 f2.8 in certain cities) and I thought the Z7 value would continue to drop as well.
Despite being less than a perfect camera the ZF performed well for travel and good ISO 800 performance was useful. With a prime on the camera and a few in a backpack the choice worked well.
Now I’m back in the local State Parks and the old Z7 files look good really nice (perhaps no AA filter helps).
If no price increase was looming, I wouldn’t even be considering a Z7ii. But the Z7 was pretty much on a tripod and no joystick is missed. And a Z8 is too big. 45mp is fine as well.
Am I just imagining things or do others with both cameras with the same sensors make good use of both cameras for different workflows?

 

[LastLapPass]

Sorry to bump such an older thread with this reply.

Last LapPassHow do you like your Z7II? I've had a Z7 in the past and last year moved to the ZF for travel photo. I like he color and high ISO carry about with small primes.

I feel like somethings missing for landscape images. I am concerned that a Z7III will not make sense for Nikon and prices for everything go up September 1st.

Z7II has hit $1499 as a refirbs recently.

For landscape there is no difference in the Z7 vs Z7II.

JJ

Sales have to be down. Been a couple of years since the Z8? Z6iii sales are going to peter out over time as well.

It’s not a growing market so they have to entice upgrades. How many Z7 owners have already gone for Z8 and Z6iii?

Maybe a Z8ii is more likely than a Z7iii. Personally hope not, prefer smaller and lighter body.

I have been watching used Z6s (orig) & Z7II's. When the tariff stuff started MPB & KEH both raised prices buy ~20%. The Z7IIs are still a popular used body, it will shoot anything short of BiF if you learn the new AF system.

When that happened the Z50II was only a bit more so I did pivot before Nikon raised their prices...

Expend 7 really does make a difference on the auto modes for wildlife. My Z50II is going to be glued to my 180-600. This was practice, it just glues the AF box to the birds eye and tracks. It is almost too easy...


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[jwilton]

Nice!

The Zf focus system actually lets me do travel photography and get the eye detect to doit thing. The Z7 I mainly used to manual focus with the auto focus motor and perhaps use it with manual focus primes that are an option.

 

[astirusty]

I think Nikon has turned over flash to the 3rd party market. I think that makes sense. Not enough ROI on those accessories to be worth bothering with further R&D.

Sometimes a company has to offer accessories which don't have a great ROI or may even be a slight loss do to R&D; because accessories make for a system.

In case of Nikon, I would not have bought in without Nikon having their own flashes. Nikon's profit strategy on getting out of making flashes, and partnering (cough, cough) with two 3rd-party flash makers has been a disappointment.

Before Nikon, I made mistake of going 3rd-Party with another camera brand, and ended up buying camera's brand flash. Updates to firmware being problematic; along with camera or flash not fully supporting one another. 3-party flash and camera were not a system.

 

[GeoffRG]

I think Nikon has turned over flash to the 3rd party market. I think that makes sense. Not enough ROI on those accessories to be worth bothering with further R&D.

Sometimes a company has to offer accessories which don't have a great ROI or may even be a slight loss do to R&D; because accessories make for a system.

In case of Nikon, I would not have bought in without Nikon having their own flashes. Nikon's profit strategy on getting out of making flashes, and partnering (cough, cough) with two 3rd-party flash makers has been a disappointment.

Before Nikon, I made mistake of going 3rd-Party with another camera brand, and ended up buying camera's brand flash. Updates to firmware being problematic; along with camera or flash not fully supporting one another. 3-party flash and camera were not a system.

With the high ISO performance of current generation mirrorless cameras there is less need for flash. Unless you actually know what you're doing when, arguably, there is actually a greater need. When the average buyer reaches the point where they don't think they will ever need flash again it's probably time to get out of that market and leave it to a specialist. I can't blame Nikon for that, they don't need "lost leaders" they need profits and stabillity.

 

[Ernie Misner]

Sorry to bump such an older thread with this reply.

Last LapPassHow do you like your Z7II? I've had a Z7 in the past and last year moved to the ZF for travel photo. I like he color and high ISO carry about with small primes.

I feel like somethings missing for landscape images. I am concerned that a Z7III will not make sense for Nikon and prices for everything go up September 1st.

Z7II has hit $1499 as a refirbs recently.

For landscape there is no difference in the Z7 vs Z7II.

JJ

Sales have to be down. Been a couple of years since the Z8? Z6iii sales are going to peter out over time as well.

It’s not a growing market so they have to entice upgrades. How many Z7 owners have already gone for Z8 and Z6iii?

Maybe a Z8ii is more likely than a Z7iii. Personally hope not, prefer smaller and lighter body.

I have been watching used Z6s (orig) & Z7II's. When the tariff stuff started MPB & KEH both raised prices buy ~20%. The Z7IIs are still a popular used body, it will shoot anything short of BiF if you learn the new AF system.

When that happened the Z50II was only a bit more so I did pivot before Nikon raised their prices...

Expend 7 really does make a difference on the auto modes for wildlife. My Z50II is going to be glued to my 180-600. This was practice, it just glues the AF box to the birds eye and tracks. It is almost too easy...

Great to hear. You are using bird AF + which AF point, or Auto Area? Thank you.

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[rhlpetrus]

Many people on this forum and elsewhere will voice an opinion that there is no room for a Z7 with the Z8 also existing. I don't necessarily share that view. I don't think Nikon would waste a number between Z5 and Z9 and abandon it after just a few years. That's obviously just an opinion of mine with nothing to back it up. But it does need to be differentiated somehow.

Ever since the Z8 was launched, my view has been that the Z7 line is likely dead, but, who actually knows? I'd love to have an updtated cheaper and lighter body with higher pixel count as an option, but not too optimistic about that coming to be. Anyway, from a strictly non-action stills PoV, not a lot can be added to the Z7, so, maybe I'll get a Z7II eventually to pair with the Zf I just got.

I checked the thread to see if Thom had posted anything ...

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