What I bought instead of a 1DS

[benjamin chang]

How about this John I will applogise first if you will follow suit. I hope everybody will be a witness to this. I did say in subsequent post that I did not make myself clear.

By the way I still have a £50 deposit for a 1DS with a London dealer.......we are still talking on a regular basis for other equipment. I am not a professional. I wonder if there is a rule saying that shooting film and digital is a step back ?

Benjamin Chang
London Uk

 

[Steven-T]

Benjamin,

Hk? 20 years ago, the "Chan Huang" (?) used camera gear shop, near the Furama Hotel, is my frequent place of visit, almost once every month. Is the shop and the owner still there? Since I left HK 15 years ago, I never been back.

Steven

I bought the whole kit from Hong Kong and imported it privately
after paying the Uk tax I saved £1800 pounds on UK prices.

I hope to travel with just the body and 02 lens for a change. I
will still bring the D30 if the occasion arises.

After all the investment in Canon lens I really dont want to change
at all. They are very sharp and IS is so superior.

Just like car collectors somtimes one go for the fastest and once
in a while you see this classic in a showroom. Well the rest is
history.

Benjamin Chang

Have you buys seen any shots from the F1 Noctilux I tried the Canon
F1.0 as well but just cannot reproduce the same effect. It really
is addictive.

 

[Robert Bedwell]

Totally different system than the 1V. I have a 1V and an M7 and I use them for totally different types of photography. I love to travel with the Leica and I especially like it for street photography. Of course we have to decide what better is. If it's quality of materials the Canon is not even close. The Leica will still be worth close to it's new price in ten years and be functioning many years after that. When the Canon blows it will be more like a disposable. If it's electronics, speed and lens versatility the Leica isn't close. It totally depends on what you are using it for. Frankly I wouldn't want to be without both. If I could only have one it would be very tough decision.

Bob

I do not agree with the price being correct nonsense, it is not
correct - period.

But that isn't what this thread is about is it, we just like to
always stay on message like the politicians and take every
opportunity to push our opinion.

I like the suggestion that was made about the 1V. That would have
been a better choice than the Leica. At the end, when you buy a new
body and sell the 1V you will still have your lens collection
intact.

To me that sounds clever. And these days the Leica isn't much
better than the 1V. In fact, I would prefer the 1V. Also in the
coarse of a year you might want to add some more lenses as your
photo style dictates.

Peter Gregg

 

[jonlg]

(nt)

 

[benjamin chang]

Sorry Steven I have been living in the Uk for the past 28 years eventhough I was born in Hong Kong. Perhaps other Hk members of this forum can help....

Hk? 20 years ago, the "Chan Huang" (?) used camera gear shop, near
the Furama Hotel, is my frequent place of visit, almost once every
month. Is the shop and the owner still there? Since I left HK 15
years ago, I never been back.

Steven

I bought the whole kit from Hong Kong and imported it privately
after paying the Uk tax I saved £1800 pounds on UK prices.

I hope to travel with just the body and 02 lens for a change. I
will still bring the D30 if the occasion arises.

After all the investment in Canon lens I really dont want to change
at all. They are very sharp and IS is so superior.

Just like car collectors somtimes one go for the fastest and once
in a while you see this classic in a showroom. Well the rest is
history.

Benjamin Chang

Have you buys seen any shots from the F1 Noctilux I tried the Canon
F1.0 as well but just cannot reproduce the same effect. It really
is addictive.

 

[Brian Kennedy]

May be I did not make my point clear in the original posting

[-snip-]

Benjamin, I don't participate in flames, here at DPR or anywhere. So don't mistake my response for one of "flaming" you. The comment about having too much equipment was tongue in cheek. Most photographers are equipment-philes. I certainly am. Clearly you are, too, whether you admit it or not ;-). (And, for the record, I would be jealous of your equipment only if you were shooting Arca-Swiss or Ebony 4x5).

I thought you were asking about the prudence of your Leica purchase versus buying an EOS-1DS. I was saying they are quite different, so the comparison is not an easy one to make. It depends a lot on your shooting style, whether you like an SLR or rangefinder, whether you need to do stealthy street shooting, etc. It is a good bet that the Leica will retain much of its value over the long term, while the 1DS will not.

But if your point was that you want to step away from the digital roller coaster for a while, then that may be a reasonable thing to do, too. Again, though, it is a very personal and subjective choice. The 1DS seems awfully nice.

I guess, if I were to make an appeal to your senses about buying too much equipment, it would be more like this... while there is a certain amount of pleasure we get from buying things, from owning them, and from using them, in photography, the greater pleasure almost always comes from the results -- seeing beautiful slides on your lightbox or beautiful shots on your computer screen. Saying "I did that!" You can do that now with your existing equipment. Do you need the Leica? Do you need the 1DS? Are you buying redundant equipment? If so, it's a good time to look at whether the money is really being well spent. IMO, the wisest choice for maximizing the enjoyment of your photography with eight grand would be to take yourself and your existing camera equipment on a nice, long trip. Then take your savings and buy a new 1DS a year or two after its release ;-).

--
Brian Kennedy
http://www.briankennedy.net/

 

[benjamin chang]

I couldn't agree more and very well put. I forsee myself holding onto the Leica while the digital market settles and jump in when the time is right. Treat it like shares and one cannot go wrong. It is the wrong time at the moment in my opinion.

Benjamin Chang
London UK

Bob

I do not agree with the price being correct nonsense, it is not
correct - period.

But that isn't what this thread is about is it, we just like to
always stay on message like the politicians and take every
opportunity to push our opinion.

I like the suggestion that was made about the 1V. That would have
been a better choice than the Leica. At the end, when you buy a new
body and sell the 1V you will still have your lens collection
intact.

To me that sounds clever. And these days the Leica isn't much
better than the 1V. In fact, I would prefer the 1V. Also in the
coarse of a year you might want to add some more lenses as your
photo style dictates.

Peter Gregg

 

[benjamin chang]

Sorry I have been living in the UK for the last 28 years and bought the kit by mail order even I was born there I remember the Furama Hotel very well.
Benjamin Chang
London UK

Hk? 20 years ago, the "Chan Huang" (?) used camera gear shop, near
the Furama Hotel, is my frequent place of visit, almost once every
month. Is the shop and the owner still there? Since I left HK 15
years ago, I never been back.

Steven

I bought the whole kit from Hong Kong and imported it privately
after paying the Uk tax I saved £1800 pounds on UK prices.

I hope to travel with just the body and 02 lens for a change. I
will still bring the D30 if the occasion arises.

After all the investment in Canon lens I really dont want to change
at all. They are very sharp and IS is so superior.

Just like car collectors somtimes one go for the fastest and once
in a while you see this classic in a showroom. Well the rest is
history.

Benjamin Chang

Have you buys seen any shots from the F1 Noctilux I tried the Canon
F1.0 as well but just cannot reproduce the same effect. It really
is addictive.

 

[benjamin chang]

Could agree more Brian I believe in simplicity. I am getting rid of as much gear as possible in the next few months.

Here is a link to my humble portfolio hope you enjoy them as much as I do.

Benjamin Chang
London UK

 

[benjamin chang]

Sorry forgot the link http://www.pbase.com/benjaminchang/d30_photos&cmd=reset_hit_count

 

[benjamin chang]

No but I get 2 qualifications in the UK namely ARPS and ABIPP. Doesn't mean very much except I submtted it for personal satisfaction.
I am a consultant orthopaedic surgeon by profession.

Benjamin Chang
London UK

 

[John Davis]

How about this John I will applogise first if you will follow suit.

Have you apologized? I hope you have as I am not a communist. Quite "au contraire" I'm a devout capitalist. So should I apologize for calling you a spoiled brat? Well, OK. I do apologize.

Benjamin, the point I was making is that there are a lot of complaints about the 1Ds price wasting valuable server space. The market sets the price. Canon knows fully well what the body is worth. Allow me too... I did not understand how could someone cross the chasm between a high end digital and a high-end film camera. Shooting film is not a step backwards. But those are two very different paths on the road. That's why I replied.

I hope we are friends now.

John

I hope everybody will be a witness to this. I did say in subsequent
post that I did not make myself clear.

By the way I still have a £50 deposit for a 1DS with a London
dealer.......we are still talking on a regular basis for other
equipment. I am not a professional. I wonder if there is a rule
saying that shooting film and digital is a step back ?

Benjamin Chang
London Uk

 

[benjamin chang]

No eventhough I obtained ARPS and ABIPP as a personal challenge and have done a few weddings this year and got paid in lenses.......LOL

In real life I am an orthopaedic sugeon - the carpenter

Benjamin Chang
London UK

 

[Brian Kennedy]

http://www.pbase.com/benjaminchang/d30_photos&cmd=reset_hit_count

Benjamin, you have a very attractive and photographable family! Enjoy the picture-taking .

--
Brian Kennedy
http://www.briankennedy.net/

 

[jonlg]

Never really meant for anyone outside this circle except for the money fortunate.

Would not surprise me if you actually have to show your portfolio to place an order : )

Also if you read Luminous Landscapes article about the Ds pricing it puts things into perspective.
Stick with the 1Ds Benjamin, if you can get one, they'll be rare.
John

No but I get 2 qualifications in the UK namely ARPS and ABIPP.
Doesn't mean very much except I submtted it for personal
satisfaction.
I am a consultant orthopaedic surgeon by profession.

Benjamin Chang
London UK

--
Nothing to say...............................

 

[JCW]

Would not surprise me if you actually have to show your portfolio
to place an order : )

Stock portfolio?

There was a rumor that pre-orders this time will require a significant deposit, to discourage people who're not really serious about the camera, or are only interested in getting on as many lists as possible.

I'd like to see how much the cameras sell for on eBay (the legitimate sales, that is). With the D60, it was easy to drive prices to around $3000USD, but with the 1Ds, I can't imagine anyone buying one and turning around and selling it for much of a profit (relative to the investment, that is). To get returns of similar proportions on the D60, you'd have to buy at $8000 and sell for $11000. Well, I guess it's not that unfeasible for someone to shell out that kind of money.

--
jason: http://www.jcwphoto.net

 

[Vinegar]

Carpentry at it's best. I'm interested, but I need a few more years of med school before I can join the union. Guess there is light at the end of the tunnel.

V.

No eventhough I obtained ARPS and ABIPP as a personal challenge and
have done a few weddings this year and got paid in lenses.......LOL

In real life I am an orthopaedic sugeon - the carpenter

Benjamin Chang
London UK

 

[Forrest41926]

did that!" You can do that now with your existing equipment. Do you
need the Leica? Do you need the 1DS? Are you buying redundant
equipment? If so, it's a good time to look at whether the money is
really being well spent. IMO, the wisest choice for maximizing the
enjoyment of your photography with eight grand would be to take
yourself and your existing camera equipment on a nice, long trip.
Then take your savings and buy a new 1DS a year or two after its
release ;-).

The best thing I've ever done for my photography portfolio is to take my EOS system through northwest Montana.

 

[Yatin Chachad]

NONSENSE

I do not agree with the price being correct nonsense, it is not
correct - period.

 

[QTI]

John

Just like everybody else very disappointed about the price of
canon. Instead I bought the following

Leica M6TTL
35mm 1.4 ASP - travel lens
50 1.0 Noctilux - available darkness lens
90 F2 APO - portrait lens

still with £1500 left assuming UK price will be £6500.

My plan is to play around the Leica stuff and sell it all in a
years time probably for 10 - 20 % ish less. I wonder what price 1DS
or future equivalent model will be in 12 - 18 months time ?
So I did some soul searching and ask myself what am I losing out ?

I suppose

Not being to first to post the first test shots
Not being the first to comment on canon software problem ?
Not being the first to complain about Canon's new model policy ?
Not being the first to print 30 x 40 digital shots ?
Not being the first to screem about banding or moire of 1DS

On the other hand ...................... what are the advantages ?
...........................................................
What do you guys think ? I am not sore and I am not bitter about
Canon they are in business just like everybody else. get as much
out of the consumner as one can get away with.

Benjmain Chang
London UK