What am I doing wrong?

[Joseph S Wisniewski]

So you admit my images are stunning 100% of the time and on YOUR monitor, not just mine,

Don't flatter yourself. They are not "stunning" - they are just normal looking, with no obvious faults.

And subjects where large errors into the warm would either go unnoticed or actually be considered desirable.

However, there is no reason to believe that what I'm seeing is what YOU are seeing, because I'm on a hardware calibrated monitor, and you are NOT.

Yup.

In fact, you are actually using a working space as if it was a monitor profile, (also as printer profile, apparently!) so we can be pretty damn SURE that what you are seeing on screen is WRONG....

He keeps referencing instructions on how to change a monitor profile as if that means that changing to anythign you want is OK.

..... and whether or not you like the LOOK of what you're seeing, it's still wrong.

yet you still disrepsect me and cut me down like i know nothing.

You are WORSE than a know-nothing. You are a know-nothing who thinks he knows it all.

Be careful. He's mentioned multiple times that he likes to hit the complaint button.

Indeed, you are one of those pests buzzing around that gets in the way of people like Joe, who is probably one of the most photographically knowledgable people on the planet....

(I'd put him in the top six photographic technicians of all time, and hope that I'm not understating his achievements. Goodness knows, I am not worthy, but you are just a pimple on his bum, relatively speaking!)

Thanks for the kind thoughts, Baz. It's a nice pick-me-up after the news of my recent demise

Although I'm not sure about some of the imagery.

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Rahon Klavanian 1912-2008.

Armenian genocide survivor, amazing cook, scrabble master, and loving grandmother. You will be missed.

Ciao! Joseph

http://www.swissarmyfork.com

 

[Barrie Davis]

In fact, you are actually using a working space as if it was a monitor profile, (also as printer profile, apparently!) so we can be pretty damn SURE that what you are seeing on screen is WRONG....

He keeps referencing instructions on how to change a monitor profile as if that means that changing to anything you want is OK.

Yes.

And we do see widespread belief that pushing the SAME profile/colour space into every point in colour management that will accept it, will automatically ensure that everything is "matched" and therefore correct.

yet you still disrepsect me and cut me down like i know nothing.

You are WORSE than a know-nothing. You are a know-nothing who thinks he knows it all.

Be careful. He's mentioned multiple times that he likes to hit the complaint button.

Noted. At least his intentions are good, and that should be acknowledged, I suppose.

(I'd put him in the top six photographic technicians of all time, and hope that I'm not understating his achievements. Goodness knows, I am not worthy, but you are just a pimple on his bum, relatively speaking!)

Thanks for the kind thoughts, Baz. It's a nice pick-me-up after the news of my recent demise

Yes. Twain references apart, that must have been a genuinely sobering discovery...[?]

Although I'm not sure about some of the imagery.

Sorry about that, but I thought you could probably cope with a purely metaphorical zit-upon your sit-upon. ;-)

Best wishes...
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Regards,
Baz

I am 'Looking for Henry Lee ' (could be Lea, or even Leigh) and despite going 'Hey round the corner', and looking 'behind the bush', I have not yet found him. If he survives, Henry is in his mid-60s, British, and quite the intellectual.

What is it all about? Well, something relating to a conversation we had in the pub 35 years ago has come to spectacular fruition, and I'd like him to know how right he was.

If you know somebody who could be this man, please put him in touch with me. Thank you.

 

[Stephen Christie]

My intention was to participate in helping someone with my experience.
I've been using these methods for years with great success.
I was called a know nothing in response.
I assumed this was an invitation to debate.

In classic form I then restated my experiences more verbosely and gave credit to the sources of my information to substantiate my views.

The responses I received told me how wrong I was over and over. Never did anyone give me a clear understanding or explanation WITH a source to substantiate their information, I can only assume it's simply their opinion; not a law. Since I have some pretty clear evidence from Adobe and Microsoft that I'm configuring my system the best I can, without a Spider type color calibration system. Yes many devices exist to calibrate my scanner printer monitor and camera and probably my optical mouse too! lmao

I was trying to give anyone interested the brief on how to do the "cheap" free method advice by the sources of the software I use, MS Windows, and Adobe CS4 Suite and the canon manual says if I'm importing into adobe I might as well use their EXPANDED color pallet over the classic RGB. IT's true, that if I used a RGB only outsourcing company or hardware of mine, I would regret that choice. But I have yet to meet a printer etc who couldn’t natively print my Adobe 1998 color matching profiles embedded in the image files I send them.

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-Steve

 

[Barrie Davis]

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Regards,
Baz

I am 'Looking for Henry Lee ' (could be Lea, or even Leigh) and despite going 'Hey round the corner', and looking 'behind the bush', I have not yet found him. If he survives, Henry is in his mid-60s, British, and quite the intellectual.

What is it all about? Well, something relating to a conversation we had in the pub 35 years ago has come to spectacular fruition, and I'd like him to know how right he was.

If you know somebody who could be this man, please put him in touch with me. Thank you.

 

[Stephen Christie]

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-Steve

 

[desaint]

@Joseph,
What is then the best setting voor DPP monitor profile.
Cs4 etc is all adobe.

Thanks

 

[Peter Berressem]

Stephen,

Adobe RGB (aRGB, sRGB etc) describes the working colour space editing applications as e.g. Photoshop use. Excerpt from Adobe on this matter:

" Effective color management requires that a color profile be attached to every image or graphic to indicate the "native" color conditions — also known as the color space — under which the file was created. Adobe applications introduced the idea of a "working" color space, one that is not necessarily tied to a specific device but that represents the ideal conditions for image reproduction. The Adobe RGB (1998) profile has been widely adopted as a working space because it provides a relatively large and balanced color gamut that can be easily repurposed for reproduction on a variety of devices. "
Please note: "...not neccessarily tied to a specific device...

Monitors (or printers) are specific devices. Their calibration profiles (whether factory or customer generated) describe the settings of that specific device so that anytime you switch it on the device behaves accordingly.
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cheers, Peter
Germany

 

[Hugowolf]

I have tried to stay out of this one, but I feel I must lend my support to Joe, Baz, and Peter.

Stephen you are just plain wrong. What you are doing may work for you, but that is does so is accidental.

The sources that you quote and reference do not support your arguments. You should try rereading the material you reference.

No one is disputing the existence of a generic aRGB ICC profile, but it is just that generic. Unless it was created specifically for you monitor during a calibration process, then it isn’t colour management. All you have done is increase the gamut you are using, providing your monitor and printer can cope with the larger gamut. Apart from the wider gamut, you are in no different a situation than someone running no profile and an un alibrated sRGB monitor.

BTW, it is palette, not pallet. A pallet is placed under crates so that they may be more easily moved.

Brian A