ultimatum

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I'm sure many of you have been wondering if the grass is greener on the otherside, despire a few technical setbacks with the latest 10D.

I've been wondering for the past year, and I've been waiting patiently.

I've been evaluating the entire systems, including lenses, flashes and bodies. Each system has its own advantages and disadvantages.

One thing that really bugs me is Nikon's lack of development in the lens sector. Over the past 30 years Nikon has been lagging behind every step of the way. Not because they're "slow and steady" because we have all seen the scientific lens comparisons where Canon lenses are always on top, except for a few occations.

The thing that really gets me is that Nikon has just released their 70-200mm AF-S VR, which is simply amazing in every aspect! But in reality Canon has had this very lens for years, and others that Nikon hasn't even produced yet.

What if you could have the following lenses?

300mm f4 VR
300mm f2.8 VR
400mm f4 VR
400mm f2.8 VR

or

200mm f1.8
35mm f1.4

Not to mention the tilt and shift lenses. I would love to have those lenses on the Nikon system! But only Canon offers these.

Even if Nikon announced those 4 telephotos tomorrow, it would take another year before they hit the market -- and of course you would have to pay the Nikon premium for them - that being 10%~ more expensive than its competition - and for what, the name? A lot of the charts actually say Canon has a slight edge in its optics.

Then comes along the full frame, mega resolution 1Ds. It was basiclly a red herring for Nikon users, but if you look more closely it's everything I've always wanted.

It's the reason why I switched to digital.

I want a camera that works just like a film camera but it digital. This is it, folks -- and it's the best IMHO that does this.

I have noticed that Nikon has put in the paperwork for trademarks on the D2X and D2H. I'll gladly wait until I hear some more news, but my ulimatum is this:

I WILL wait until the D2X and D2H (or whatever is next after the D1X) have been announced, and if they are not on par with the 1Ds -- full frame is a must, or Nikon has commited suicide on its entire line of lenses -- I'm prepared to sell my gear, and take the loss and invest into a system that already has what I want.

I also expect to see some new telephotos on the marke with VR and perhaps even a TS -- but no one wants to wait a year before they're released -- rush the product through the PR BS, kinda like the 12-24mm and get it out on the market in 6 months.

Many of you will say "great, be gone" or "good riddance" just like you have with Gee Ber, but not because he switched, but mainly because he was a jerk -- but nonetheless -- I feel that I'm being fair in my decision -- I will wait for the new line of DSLRs from Nikon before making my final decision.

After all, this isn't a marriage, it's just a tool -- nothing personal -- just business.

It would be stupid for me to switch right now, especially when Nikon has new DSLRs in the queue and will be announced anytime.

 

[Joachim Gerstl]

you won´t impress Nikon with your ultimatum.

--
Joachim
http://www.joachimgerstl.com

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

you won´t impress Nikon with your ultimatum.

I'm not here to impress Nikon. Nikon is here to create photography tools that impress me, so that I buy them. So far this is only half the case.

I want a solid answer from Nikon whether or not they are going full frame - since they are the only ones who seem to be going the 1.5 route - while everyone elses just watches and shakes their head.

If they are going 1.5 crop, I want a solution from them - AKA 12-24 f2.8 ED and a 9mm f2.8 ED, that would in essence make up for the 14mm f2.8 and 17-35mm f2.8 -- otherwise I've wasted my money on these lenses and system.

See where I'm coming from?

Nikon doesn't offer a solution to their problem -- although I suspect when they release the next D1 series camera they will have to address this issue, either through actions or words. If the next D1 is 1.5 cropped without supporting lenses, like I mentioned above (the current 12-24mm won't cut it - it's a consumer lens), then Nikon has basically told the professional users to take a hike. I don't want to wait 2 more years for Nikon to catch up - their system isn't worth the wait - and I can afford to lose $2000 selling my equipment and spending the extra for the 1Ds - because I can at least buy what I need now.

Only the D2X can tell.

 

[Anthony Medici]

I don't understand why you are waiting? If I was complaining that much about what I was missing, I wouldn't wait a minute. Here's what I would suggest:

List the Pro's for Nikon
List the Pro's for Canon
List the Con's for Nikon
List the Con's for Canon

Is there something on the Con list that you could never put up with? If you eliminate both, start over with other manufacturers.

Is there something on the Pro list that you'd prefer not to be without? Get the equipment from that manufacturer.

For me, there is nothing on the Con list for Nikon that would make me eliminate them. And, although Canon's Pro list is good, there aren't enough to make me lose money at this point in time.

Also, I don't expect Nikon to release a FF camera. So jump now and get you Canon before everyone else beats you to the punch.

--
Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m

I WILL wait until the D2X and D2H (or whatever is next after the
D1X) have been announced, and if they are not on par with the 1Ds
-- full frame is a must, or Nikon has commited suicide on its
entire line of lenses -- I'm prepared to sell my gear, and take the
loss and invest into a system that already has what I want.

 

[Anthony Medici]

Who's shaking their heads? Olympus? Minolta? Pentax? Leica?

The only working FF camera is from Canon. Kodak is shaking their head wondering why no one is buying theirs.

--
Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m

I want a solid answer from Nikon whether or not they are going full
frame - since they are the only ones who seem to be going the 1.5
route - while everyone elses just watches and shakes their head.

 

[little_beginner]

I'm sure many of you have been wondering if the grass is greener on
the otherside, despire a few technical setbacks with the latest 10D.

I've been wondering for the past year, and I've been waiting
patiently.

I've been evaluating the entire systems, including lenses, flashes
and bodies. Each system has its own advantages and disadvantages.

One thing that really bugs me is Nikon's lack of development in the
lens sector. Over the past 30 years Nikon has been lagging behind
every step of the way. Not because they're "slow and steady"
because we have all seen the scientific lens comparisons where
Canon lenses are always on top, except for a few occations.

The thing that really gets me is that Nikon has just released their
70-200mm AF-S VR, which is simply amazing in every aspect! But in
reality Canon has had this very lens for years, and others that
Nikon hasn't even produced yet.

What if you could have the following lenses?

300mm f4 VR
300mm f2.8 VR
400mm f4 VR
400mm f2.8 VR
or

200mm f1.8

35mm f1.4

Look on http://www.naturfotograf.com/index2.html -> lenses -> wide angel. You will find the 35mm f1,4. (not produced anymore? :-( )

Not to mention the tilt and shift lenses. I would love to have
those lenses on the Nikon system! But only Canon offers these.

Canon has got 3 TS lenses, Nikon 2: the 35 PC (perspective controle) - only shift :-( and the 85 PC (Tilt and shift). But you are right, it would be nice, if Nikon would add the tilt to the 35mm and would build a third one. With a little bit time, you will also find a lot about this topic on Bjorns page (link from above).

Even if Nikon announced those 4 telephotos tomorrow, it would take
another year before they hit the market -- and of course you would
have to pay the Nikon premium for them - that being 10%~ more
expensive than its competition - and for what, the name? A lot of
the charts actually say Canon has a slight edge in its optics.

I am not shure, with the crop factor the lenses are lighter and cheaper. Do you understand the advantage of the smaller CCD?

Then comes along the full frame, mega resolution 1Ds. It was
basiclly a red herring for Nikon users, but if you look more
closely it's everything I've always wanted.

With the next generation, your whishes will change again?

It's the reason why I switched to digital.

I want a camera that works just like a film camera but it digital.
This is it, folks -- and it's the best IMHO that does this.

I have noticed that Nikon has put in the paperwork for trademarks
on the D2X and D2H. I'll gladly wait until I hear some more news,
but my ulimatum is this:

I WILL wait until the D2X and D2H (or whatever is next after the
D1X) have been announced, and if they are not on par with the 1Ds
-- full frame is a must, or Nikon has commited suicide on its
entire line of lenses -- I'm prepared to sell my gear, and take the
loss and invest into a system that already has what I want.

I also expect to see some new telephotos on the marke with VR and
perhaps even a TS -- but no one wants to wait a year before they're

Haeh? a 400 VR PC ?? Why do you want to have the tilt shift posibility on a tele?

released -- rush the product through the PR BS, kinda like the
12-24mm and get it out on the market in 6 months.

Many of you will say "great, be gone" or "good riddance" just like
you have with Gee Ber, but not because he switched, but mainly
because he was a jerk -- but nonetheless -- I feel that I'm being
fair in my decision -- I will wait for the new line of DSLRs from
Nikon before making my final decision.

After all, this isn't a marriage, it's just a tool -- nothing
personal -- just business.

It would be stupid for me to switch right now, especially when
Nikon has new DSLRs in the queue and will be announced anytime.

greetings
Sven

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I am not shure, with the crop factor the lenses are lighter and
cheaper. Do you understand the advantage of the smaller CCD?

What lenses? The 12-24mm? What a joke. Where are the other lenses? The 12-24mm isn't lighter. And it certainly isn't cheap. Give me a break.

I don't want to do FOV conversations -- I want a camera and a lens to be just that, not a mathematical equation. The math isn't hard, but it's distracting to the moment, especially going between my F5 and my D1X. It's just absurd.

Then comes along the full frame, mega resolution 1Ds. It was
basiclly a red herring for Nikon users, but if you look more
closely it's everything I've always wanted.

With the next generation, your whishes will change again?

What generation? I'm trying to stick with the "generation" that's been around for YEARS - it's called film AKA full frame in the digital world. I want a DSLR that acts just like a film camera. That's all I ask.

I also expect to see some new telephotos on the marke with VR and
perhaps even a TS -- but no one wants to wait a year before they're

Haeh? a 400 VR PC ?? Why do you want to have the tilt shift
posibility on a tele?

Read that again - says nothing about a PC tele. Said I would like to see a tele with VR and perhaps even a TS - i.e. see a tele with VR AND a new TS lens.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I don't understand why you are waiting? If I was complaining that
much about what I was missing, I wouldn't wait a minute. Here's
what I would suggest:

Didn't you read why I was waiting? The D2X is literally right around the corner. While it might take another 6 months to be released after the announcement, there is a chance it will be full frame, and if it isn't, there is still the chance Nikon will release some professional DX lenses that aren't a joke like the current 12-24mm.

 

[Terry Cioni]

I'm sure many of you have been wondering if the grass is greener on
the otherside, despire a few technical setbacks with the latest 10D.

I've been wondering for the past year, and I've been waiting
patiently.

I've been evaluating the entire systems, including lenses, flashes
and bodies. Each system has its own advantages and disadvantages.

One thing that really bugs me is Nikon's lack of development in the
lens sector. Over the past 30 years Nikon has been lagging behind
every step of the way. Not because they're "slow and steady"
because we have all seen the scientific lens comparisons where
Canon lenses are always on top, except for a few occations.

The thing that really gets me is that Nikon has just released their
70-200mm AF-S VR, which is simply amazing in every aspect! But in
reality Canon has had this very lens for years, and others that
Nikon hasn't even produced yet.

What if you could have the following lenses?

300mm f4 VR
300mm f2.8 VR
400mm f4 VR
400mm f2.8 VR
or

200mm f1.8

35mm f1.4

Look on http://www.naturfotograf.com/index2.html -> lenses -> wide
angel. You will find the 35mm f1,4. (not produced anymore? :-( )

Not to mention the tilt and shift lenses. I would love to have
those lenses on the Nikon system! But only Canon offers these.

Canon has got 3 TS lenses, Nikon 2: the 35 PC (perspective
controle) - only shift :-( and the 85 PC (Tilt and shift). But you
are right, it would be nice, if Nikon would add the tilt to the
35mm and would build a third one. With a little bit time, you will
also find a lot about this topic on Bjorns page (link from above).

Even if Nikon announced those 4 telephotos tomorrow, it would take
another year before they hit the market -- and of course you would
have to pay the Nikon premium for them - that being 10%~ more
expensive than its competition - and for what, the name? A lot of
the charts actually say Canon has a slight edge in its optics.

I am not shure, with the crop factor the lenses are lighter and
cheaper. Do you understand the advantage of the smaller CCD?

Then comes along the full frame, mega resolution 1Ds. It was
basiclly a red herring for Nikon users, but if you look more
closely it's everything I've always wanted.

With the next generation, your whishes will change again?

It's the reason why I switched to digital.

I want a camera that works just like a film camera but it digital.
This is it, folks -- and it's the best IMHO that does this.

I have noticed that Nikon has put in the paperwork for trademarks
on the D2X and D2H. I'll gladly wait until I hear some more news,
but my ulimatum is this:

I WILL wait until the D2X and D2H (or whatever is next after the
D1X) have been announced, and if they are not on par with the 1Ds
-- full frame is a must, or Nikon has commited suicide on its
entire line of lenses -- I'm prepared to sell my gear, and take the
loss and invest into a system that already has what I want.

I also expect to see some new telephotos on the marke with VR and
perhaps even a TS -- but no one wants to wait a year before they're

Haeh? a 400 VR PC ?? Why do you want to have the tilt shift
posibility on a tele?

released -- rush the product through the PR BS, kinda like the
12-24mm and get it out on the market in 6 months.

Many of you will say "great, be gone" or "good riddance" just like
you have with Gee Ber, but not because he switched, but mainly
because he was a jerk -- but nonetheless -- I feel that I'm being
fair in my decision -- I will wait for the new line of DSLRs from
Nikon before making my final decision.

After all, this isn't a marriage, it's just a tool -- nothing
personal -- just business.

It would be stupid for me to switch right now, especially when
Nikon has new DSLRs in the queue and will be announced anytime.

greetings
Sven

I believe Nikon offers as stated two PC lenes. A 28mm F2.8 PC and an 85mm Macro F2.8 Shift/PC. If you look you can find a 35mm F2.8 PC lenes readily available (eBay, local camera shop, etc). They did have an earlier version of the 28mm PC which was an F3.5. I have both the 85 and 35 and both are very capable lenses but do have specific applications.

Cheers. Terry.

 

[Ripper103348]

In the end, what gear to use is a personal choice, based on personal
criteria. Some will agree, some will disagree (and a few of those
will be bent on telling why you're wrong ;-().

I've been thru the upgrade wringer a few times, most recently upgrading
from the E-xx cameras to the D100. I looked carefully at what I couldn't
do (or do easily) with the E-xx cameras, looked at how these issues
could be addressed with a new/different camera. Based on this, I
decided to move up to the D100. Since I wanted to make sure I
had a backup, I decided to get 2 D100s instead of spending the
dough on a single D1X. I'm sure there could be a discussion of
whether that was the best choice or not, but I'm happy with the
decision.

If you decide to go with Canon gear, that's cool. If you decide
to stay with Nikon, that's cool too.

 

[Terry Cioni]

little_beginner wrote:

Good day Doug,

I clicked on your profile...and I noticed you post a good deal more in the Canon forum. Are you currently a Nikon user or a Canon user or trying to make up your mind. Can you let us know what your main photography application is - just curious so I can understand your pain. I agree with you that Canon has some cool PC/Shift lenes. At anyrate - I hope you find what your are looking for..... I am always amazed at what is available to photographers in both systems - I remember having to focus a lens now we can happily debate the speed of the auto focus between systems. And the greatest blessing NO FILM.

Cheers. Terry.

 

[JoeCA]

Why not just get a Canon 1Ds? It has the lenses you want, it has a FF sensor. The new Nikon cameras just around the corner? Err...at what point in space and time is the corner that you are referring to? Even if Nikon were to come out with a camera that is FF youre still not happy with their lens selection. Of course, if youre so down on Nikons lenses I have to wonder why you purchased their two most expensive cameras (the F5 and D1x).

Maybe the internet is acting like a filter but all Im getting is "Poor me, Ive spent several thousands of dollars on the wrong system. Boo-hoo. Now I dont have the money left to buy Canon, which by my own desires I should have started with. Waaahh!!! Mommy, make Nikon do what I want!!"

Would you like some cheese with that?

 

[Terry Cioni]

Why not just get a Canon 1Ds? It has the lenses you want, it has a
FF sensor. The new Nikon cameras just around the corner? Err...at
what point in space and time is the corner that you are referring
to? Even if Nikon were to come out with a camera that is FF youre
still not happy with their lens selection. Of course, if youre so
down on Nikons lenses I have to wonder why you purchased their two
most expensive cameras (the F5 and D1x).

Maybe the internet is acting like a filter but all Im getting is
"Poor me, Ive spent several thousands of dollars on the wrong
system. Boo-hoo. Now I dont have the money left to buy Canon,
which by my own desires I should have started with. Waaahh!!!
Mommy, make Nikon do what I want!!"

Would you like some cheese with that?

 

[Anthony Medici]

That's not going to change the lens situation. Besides, I already told you the D2H and D2X will NOT be full frame. So there is no need to wait.

--
Tony

http://homepage.mac.com/a5m http://www.pbase.com/a5m

I don't understand why you are waiting? If I was complaining that
much about what I was missing, I wouldn't wait a minute. Here's
what I would suggest:

Didn't you read why I was waiting? The D2X is literally right
around the corner. While it might take another 6 months to be
released after the announcement, there is a chance it will be full
frame, and if it isn't, there is still the chance Nikon will
release some professional DX lenses that aren't a joke like the
current 12-24mm.

 

[tylerphoto]

Whine, whine, whine. I want what I want! I just can't take good pictures with what's currently available. Whine, whine, whine!

I'm sure many of you have been wondering if the grass is greener on
the otherside, despire a few technical setbacks with the latest 10D.

I've been wondering for the past year, and I've been waiting
patiently.

I've been evaluating the entire systems, including lenses, flashes
and bodies. Each system has its own advantages and disadvantages.

One thing that really bugs me is Nikon's lack of development in the
lens sector. Over the past 30 years Nikon has been lagging behind
every step of the way. Not because they're "slow and steady"
because we have all seen the scientific lens comparisons where
Canon lenses are always on top, except for a few occations.

The thing that really gets me is that Nikon has just released their
70-200mm AF-S VR, which is simply amazing in every aspect! But in
reality Canon has had this very lens for years, and others that
Nikon hasn't even produced yet.

What if you could have the following lenses?

300mm f4 VR
300mm f2.8 VR
400mm f4 VR
400mm f2.8 VR

or

200mm f1.8
35mm f1.4

Not to mention the tilt and shift lenses. I would love to have
those lenses on the Nikon system! But only Canon offers these.

Even if Nikon announced those 4 telephotos tomorrow, it would take
another year before they hit the market -- and of course you would
have to pay the Nikon premium for them - that being 10%~ more
expensive than its competition - and for what, the name? A lot of
the charts actually say Canon has a slight edge in its optics.

Then comes along the full frame, mega resolution 1Ds. It was
basiclly a red herring for Nikon users, but if you look more
closely it's everything I've always wanted.

It's the reason why I switched to digital.

I want a camera that works just like a film camera but it digital.
This is it, folks -- and it's the best IMHO that does this.

I have noticed that Nikon has put in the paperwork for trademarks
on the D2X and D2H. I'll gladly wait until I hear some more news,
but my ulimatum is this:

I WILL wait until the D2X and D2H (or whatever is next after the
D1X) have been announced, and if they are not on par with the 1Ds
-- full frame is a must, or Nikon has commited suicide on its
entire line of lenses -- I'm prepared to sell my gear, and take the
loss and invest into a system that already has what I want.

I also expect to see some new telephotos on the marke with VR and
perhaps even a TS -- but no one wants to wait a year before they're
released -- rush the product through the PR BS, kinda like the
12-24mm and get it out on the market in 6 months.

Many of you will say "great, be gone" or "good riddance" just like
you have with Gee Ber, but not because he switched, but mainly
because he was a jerk -- but nonetheless -- I feel that I'm being
fair in my decision -- I will wait for the new line of DSLRs from
Nikon before making my final decision.

After all, this isn't a marriage, it's just a tool -- nothing
personal -- just business.

It would be stupid for me to switch right now, especially when
Nikon has new DSLRs in the queue and will be announced anytime.

--
CQ

 

[peacefoto]

In fact why don't just switch? chances are slight nikon will announce anything Full-Frame. But before doing that make sure you know what you are looking for. you talked about FF, T&S, IS, Super-Tele, if those are your main area of business then why wait? u have to kill me to make me believe nikon will announce FF D2x, 3 T&S lenses, and put VR into all their Super-Teles all at once.

talking about 'scientific charts' I don't know which one you were talking about (hope not the cr*p at photozone.de) The one I've read indicates there's hardly any difference between the pro-grade lenses from the two manufacturers. some show C being slightly better, some show N slightly better. more difference are in build quality, distortion, color, AF accuracy, etc...

like you said this is just a tool, if you know clearly what you are looking for then go for it. a lot of people jump back and forth merely for some sense of security, they will never get the higher end camera ( in fact they hardly get the most of the 'obsolete' model they jump from) but knowing it's 'there' for his future 'possible' purchase just make them sleep better...

I'm sure many of you have been wondering if the grass is greener on
the otherside, despire a few technical setbacks with the latest 10D.

I've been wondering for the past year, and I've been waiting
patiently.

I've been evaluating the entire systems, including lenses, flashes
and bodies. Each system has its own advantages and disadvantages.

One thing that really bugs me is Nikon's lack of development in the
lens sector. Over the past 30 years Nikon has been lagging behind
every step of the way. Not because they're "slow and steady"
because we have all seen the scientific lens comparisons where
Canon lenses are always on top, except for a few occations.

Let me know which 'scientific comparison', don't tell me it's the cr*p on photozone.de...

The thing that really gets me is that Nikon has just released their
70-200mm AF-S VR, which is simply amazing in every aspect! But in
reality Canon has had this very lens for years, and others that
Nikon hasn't even produced yet.

What if you could have the following lenses?

300mm f4 VR
300mm f2.8 VR
400mm f4 VR
400mm f2.8 VR

or

200mm f1.8
35mm f1.4

Not to mention the tilt and shift lenses. I would love to have
those lenses on the Nikon system! But only Canon offers these.

Even if Nikon announced those 4 telephotos tomorrow, it would take
another year before they hit the market -- and of course you would
have to pay the Nikon premium for them - that being 10%~ more
expensive than its competition - and for what, the name? A lot of
the charts actually say Canon has a slight edge in its optics.

Then comes along the full frame, mega resolution 1Ds. It was
basiclly a red herring for Nikon users, but if you look more
closely it's everything I've always wanted.

It's the reason why I switched to digital.

I want a camera that works just like a film camera but it digital.
This is it, folks -- and it's the best IMHO that does this.

I have noticed that Nikon has put in the paperwork for trademarks
on the D2X and D2H. I'll gladly wait until I hear some more news,
but my ulimatum is this:

I WILL wait until the D2X and D2H (or whatever is next after the
D1X) have been announced, and if they are not on par with the 1Ds
-- full frame is a must, or Nikon has commited suicide on its
entire line of lenses -- I'm prepared to sell my gear, and take the
loss and invest into a system that already has what I want.

I also expect to see some new telephotos on the marke with VR and
perhaps even a TS -- but no one wants to wait a year before they're
released -- rush the product through the PR BS, kinda like the
12-24mm and get it out on the market in 6 months.

Many of you will say "great, be gone" or "good riddance" just like
you have with Gee Ber, but not because he switched, but mainly
because he was a jerk -- but nonetheless -- I feel that I'm being
fair in my decision -- I will wait for the new line of DSLRs from
Nikon before making my final decision.

After all, this isn't a marriage, it's just a tool -- nothing
personal -- just business.

It would be stupid for me to switch right now, especially when
Nikon has new DSLRs in the queue and will be announced anytime.

 

[little_beginner]

I am not shure, with the crop factor the lenses are lighter and
cheaper. Do you understand the advantage of the smaller CCD?

What lenses? The 12-24mm? What a joke. Where are the other
lenses? The 12-24mm isn't lighter. And it certainly isn't cheap.
Give me a break.

It was not for nothing behind your tele-statement:

Even if Nikon announced those 4 telephotos tomorrow, it would take
another year before they hit the market -- and of course you would
have to pay the Nikon premium for them - that being 10%~ more
expensive than its competition - and for what, the name? A lot of
the charts actually say Canon has a slight edge in its optics.

I am not shure, with the crop factor the lenses are lighter and cheaper. > > Do you understand the advantage of the smaller CCD?

In other words FOV cropp has advantages in the telearea and disadvanyages in the wide angel area...

I don't want to do FOV conversations -- I want a camera and a lens
to be just that, not a mathematical equation. The math isn't hard,
but it's distracting to the moment, especially going between my F5
and my D1X. It's just absurd.

Then comes along the full frame, mega resolution 1Ds. It was
basiclly a red herring for Nikon users, but if you look more
closely it's everything I've always wanted.

With the next generation, your whishes will change again?

What generation? I'm trying to stick with the "generation" that's
been around for YEARS - it's called film AKA full frame in the
digital world. I want a DSLR that acts just like a film camera.
That's all I ask.

I also expect to see some new telephotos on the marke with VR and
perhaps even a TS -- but no one wants to wait a year before they're

Haeh? a 400 VR PC ?? Why do you want to have the tilt shift
posibility on a tele?

Read that again - says nothing about a PC tele. Said I would like
to see a tele with VR and perhaps even a TS - i.e. see a tele with
VR AND a new TS lens.

 

[JoeCA]

Off topic, but the only other post like that is the same thing in the Canon forum. n=2 does not a particularly valid experience make.

 

[Ragnar Danneskjold]

I generally get involved in the "political" discussions over on the Canon forum and lately I've conducted a test between the D1X and Canon 10D, so I had a lot of cross posting.

Most of my work is done with the F5 or D1X -- little bit of photojournalism and mainly commercial work.

little_beginner wrote:

Good day Doug,

I clicked on your profile...and I noticed you post a good deal more
in the Canon forum. Are you currently a Nikon user or a Canon user
or trying to make up your mind. Can you let us know what your main
photography application is - just curious so I can understand your
pain. I agree with you that Canon has some cool PC/Shift lenes. At
anyrate - I hope you find what your are looking for..... I am
always amazed at what is available to photographers in both systems

• I remember having to focus a lens now we can happily debate the

speed of the auto focus between systems. And the greatest blessing
NO FILM.

Cheers. Terry.

 

[Neil van Niekerk]

Who's shaking their heads? Olympus? Minolta? Pentax? Leica?

The only working FF camera is from Canon. Kodak is shaking their
head wondering why no one is buying theirs.