TZ5 Video Users Review,....Is this true?

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I found this review on the TZ5 video when I went to check prices at Amazon. I noted that this review was written on June 13th, though the writer states he's had the camera a month or two. Either he has the old firmware version or the autofocus hasn't been corrected.

Has anyone else had this "time remaining" problem of only 8 minutes showing for video on an 8gb card?

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4.0 out of 5 stars Very good, but some minor flaws that keep it from great, June 13, 2008

I bought this camera a couple of months ago primarily because it was one of the very few still cameras that also recorded movies at 720p resolution. (A couple more have been released since.) My previous camera, a Fuji F700 had just died after a long and fruitful life and I was looking to upgrade. This camera seemed to be just the ticket. I wanted a camera with great stills, of course, but also good quality video, because I don't want to carry two pieces of equipment around. This camera delivers on both ends.

Let's start with the pros. The pictures are very good, I don't see any problems with them. The 3" screen is very sharp and really nice. The 10x zoom is terrific. The camera is a nice comfortable size.

Battery life is pretty amazing. Although I bought two backup batteries, I find that I don't have to use them at all. Also, the charger, with foldup electrical prongs, is tiny and does a great job recharging in 90 minutes or so. Easy enough to throw the charger in the suitcase as well.

The cons are not too bad, but annoying and simple to fix. After shooting a still picture, the camera, of course, shows you a still of what you've just shot. However, when you turn the camera sideways to shoot, say, a picture of the Eiffel Tower, the playback will flip the shot so that you don't have to turn the camera. Why have that gorgeous 3" screen if you're not going to use it? I'll readily admit this is a minor annoyance, to be sure. This is the default mode, and after some searching in the camera's memory, it can be changed to that the playback mode doesn't flip the picture.

When shooting video, the camera's default is to have continuous focus. Even if you're not moving the camera much, the camera will continue to go in and out of focus while shooting video, blurring everything. This is more annoying than the picture flip I mentioned. This is also correctable in the menu.

The third annoyance is the camera's memory reading ability. I have an 8 GB card, which is more than ample memory for anything. In fact, the camera can shoot about 33 minutes of video on the highest-quality setting - 720p, 30 frames/sec. However, when you go to shoot video, the camera only reads that there are 8 minutes and 30 seconds of video. This is no big deal; however, after you shoot, say, 1 minute of video, and the counter counts down to 7 minutes and thirty seconds, then you press the shutter release again to stop recording, the reading changes right back to 8 minutes and 30 seconds, the maximum amount of memory recognizable by the camera. This makes you think that the video didn't get saved.

This thinking that the video didn't get saved is reinforced when you go to play it back, leading to my final annoyance, the camera's integration with my Panasonic Viera plasma TV. I didn't buy a Panasonic camera for this purpose, but as long as I did, I figured, "what the hey?" The TV has an SD slot in back, so you can take your memory card out of the camera and stick it directly into the TV and have a slide show of your pictures. Sounds good, right? But it doesn't play back video through the card slot.

To play back the 720p video on the 720p plasma TV, you have to use cables, and connect it to one of the inputs. The problem with this is that the cables provided aren't even composite cables - they're the standard red, white, and yellow - and this degrades the video quality. This is just plain dumb, dumb, dumb. The only way you can look at the video in all its HQ glory is on your computer.

All in all, these are minor annoyances, I'll admit. But they do keep me from giving the camera a 5-star rating.
 
I would not trust this review. I'm no video expert but I suspect all the problems he talks are in fact selectable choices with exception of the focus. This is fixed by the upgraded firmware and not by a selection in the menu.
Old Jim '-)
P.S hold out for some more informed input from some of our members!
 
Old Jim,.....Did you notice the 8 min remaining problem the reviewer mentioned? This is the first report I've heard of this.

I will likely order the TZ5 when we get back to CA from Idaho vacation. If the firmware fix is doing the job, it should be a great camera.
 
Old Jim,.....Did you notice the 8 min remaining problem the reviewer
mentioned? This is the first report I've heard of this.
I hadn't noticed that myself, but I just tried an 8GB card and he's right: with the card empty the remaining time shows as 8 minutes and a bit.

He's also right about the cable included not allowing the true quality of the video to be shown, but he's got his terminology wrong. The included cable is composite video (one cable carries the video); the optional cable is component video (three cables carry the video information). Playback through the composite video cable shows very bad movement artifacts (shimmering of edges whenever there is movement) that are mostly absent when using a card reader and playing the video back on the computer. I don't know if using the component video cable fixes this problem.

And, yes, the new firmware pretty much fixed the continuous autofocus problem.

Bob
 
Page 100 of the manual Recording Time Capacity (motion pictures) ... A maximum of approx. 2GB can be recorded in any one session ... in maximum resolution this equates to 8 minutes 20 seconds
 
Yep...basically,the camera only does this while in movie mode,letting you know that the maximum minutes left per movie clip (like a countdown timer)

8min 30 seconds is the max.(2 Gig)

This is even if you have a 4 or 8 Gig SD card,because only 2Gig at a time,can be recorded.

the reviewer simply didn't understand what the display was showing.

I think panny did the right thing here.

In still modes the camera will display the remaining pictures

In movie mode,the camera will display remaining minutes/seconds for movie clip,depending on the movie size chosen.

Less confusing this way,IMHO

ANAYV
 
In movie mode,the camera will display remaining minutes/seconds for
movie clip,depending on the movie size chosen.

Less confusing this way,IMHO

ANAYV
Maybe I've missed something but it seems like this would be more confusing than enlightening. For example, if I decide to take a short video clip on an 8gb card, the remaining time will read 8min30sec. I understand that but is there any way of telling the remaining total time of video left on my card. In other words, I will have no way of knowing when to change cards until the minutes to go reads something less than 8min20 seconds on initial turn on. Is that the way this thing works?
 
Maybe I've missed something but it seems like this would be more
confusing than enlightening. For example, if I decide to take a short
video clip on an 8gb card, the remaining time will read 8min30sec. I
understand that but is there any way of telling the remaining total
time of video left on my card. In other words, I will have no way of
knowing when to change cards until the minutes to go reads something
less than 8min20 seconds on initial turn on. Is that the way this
thing works?
Ya, there is no way to know the total time left in your card if it has more than 2 gigs left as far as I know. When every time you start to take video in HD (30 fps), if it shows 8 min 20 sec (2 gigs), that means you have equal or more than 2 gigs left, but every take limited to 8 min 20 sec. You are correct if it shows less than 8 min 20 sec, then it only has less than 2 gigs.

When I go through the manual, I remembered that some regions model has 15 minutes limit on all video format (not limited to 2 gigs).
--
Jeff
Malaysia
 
Old Jim,.....Did you notice the 8 min remaining problem the reviewer
mentioned? This is the first report I've heard of this.

I will likely order the TZ5 when we get back to CA from Idaho
vacation. If the firmware fix is doing the job, it should be a great
camera.
Again I'm not that experienced but it seems to me there was something about shooting to 2GIGs. Then you start again and shoot another 2 gigs. I tried several clips and it does show time remaining but I've never ran it all the way out. My guess it stops by itself at 2 gigs. The you press the button again?
Old jim ;-)
 
Old Jim,.....Did you notice the 8 min remaining problem the reviewer
mentioned? This is the first report I've heard of this.

I will likely order the TZ5 when we get back to CA from Idaho
vacation. If the firmware fix is doing the job, it should be a great
camera.
Again I'm not that experienced but it seems to me there was something
about shooting to 2GIGs. Then you start again and shoot another 2
gigs. I tried several clips and it does show time remaining but I've
never ran it all the way out. My guess it stops by itself at 2 gigs.
The you press the button again?
Old jim ;-)
As far as not knowing if the clip is saved - it shows it on the screen. 1,2,3 etc.. so that you can tell how many clips you've shot and so you can select the clip you want to view. If it's critical to always know total room remaining on the card then run all clips for the full time available and you can know how much is left!
Old jim ;-)
not bad for his old brain hehehe!!
 
Again I'm not that experienced but it seems to me there was something
about shooting to 2GIGs. Then you start again and shoot another 2
gigs. I tried several clips and it does show time remaining but I've
never ran it all the way out. My guess it stops by itself at 2 gigs.
The you press the button again?
Old jim ;-)
I haven't tried running out 2GB either, but I'm sure that's right. The TZ5 certainly accepts SDHC cards, and the whole point of that format is that it has higher capacity than standard HC. A continuous shot of 8 minutes is really quite long. "The Player" is famous for having an opening tracking shot of 7 min. 47 seconds, so unless you want to outdo Robert Altman...

Bob
 
The time limitation is related to the file size limitation and is only related to a single clip. Each clip is limited to 8 min and about 30 seconds, which equates to about 2 GB.

Originally I thought this was a file system limitation, assuming Panasonic was using FAT16 and therefore was limited to 2 GB files sizes. This is not the case, the file system being used is FAT32, which has a limit of 4 GB per file. I am going to bet this is a limitation left over from when they did use FAT16 and they never changed the limitation in the firmware, or they are being conservative to ensure there is no issue with saving the files.
 
I guess the way to roughly estimate the total time left on your card would be through some sort of interpolation of the number of stills left to take on the card. If an 8gb card, for example, gives you 4000 (est) stills at max resolution and 32 min of video, even though the video remaining never shows more than 8min or so, if the stills remaining showed 2000, you'd still have about 16 min of video available.

Looks like they might have given you a choice in the menu of what "remaining" time you'd like to see. I may not be typical, but I've taken thousands of video clips and don't think any of them have been over 8min.
 
Looks like they might have given you a choice in the menu of what
"remaining" time you'd like to see. I may not be typical, but I've
taken thousands of video clips and don't think any of them have been
over 8min.
Judging by the digicam video clips that people have shown me, the average length of these clips is about 15 seconds :-)

Bob
 
Did some further checking and I believe the TZ3 is FAT16, so my theory about carrying over the limitation seems more credible. Can anyone with a TZ3 confirm it uses FAT16 for the file system?
 
Library video format for viewing on a Panasonic TV Viera AVCHD from SD card

Download the archive with an example

N 1) David Guetta Feat. Akon - Sexy ***** 1080P
http://www.filefactory.com/file/caf938e/n/PRIVAT.rar

unrar

PRIVATE copy the folder with all contents in the root of your SD card and enjoy

N2) Eminem & Dido - Stan
http://www.filefactory.com/file/caf98fb/n/PRIVATE_2.rar

N 3) Michael Jackson - Thriller -
http://www.filefactory.com/file/ca0ef6c/n/PRIVATE_3.rar

N 4) Cahill_feat. Nikki_Belle Sex_Shooter
http://www.filefactory.com/file/ca0e2c1/n/PRIVAT_4.rar

N 5) Kishe & Polina Griffith ft. My Way - Confused (EL Majer & Ti.m. remix)
http://www.filefactory.com/file/ca0e3b6/n/PRIVATE_5.rar

N 6) Lady GAGA
http://www.filefactory.com/file/cac5623/n/PRIVATE.rar
 

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