Trash

[webfrasse]

Well, if your business has a turnover of thousands of $ a day maybe it's time to invest in a new machine....

Very true. Maybe this has been discussed already but Time Machine
sounds like the perfect solution for you. Attach a really big drive
(1TB, $129 at Costco). Let Time Machine use all of it for it's
backup. This allows you to go back in time and see the state of your
desktop every hour, day, week depending on how far back you look. If
you trash something, just go back in time and get it from it's
original location.

It is by far the best backup solution/recovery program you have ever
seen.

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Mikael

 

[JulesJ]

Thanks for the advice. But I don't have a problem using a G3, nor using CS2. There are those that think photography is about the latest equipment and there are those that can take great pictures, print great pictures, and have happy customers.
Jules

Very true. Maybe this has been discussed already but Time Machine
sounds like the perfect solution for you. Attach a really big drive
(1TB, $129 at Costco). Let Time Machine use all of it for it's
backup. This allows you to go back in time and see the state of your
desktop every hour, day, week depending on how far back you look. If
you trash something, just go back in time and get it from it's
original location.

It is by far the best backup solution/recovery program you have ever
seen.

--
Mikael

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A photograph is a secret about a secret. The more it tells you the less you know. Arbus.

 

[JulesJ]

It is quite fun to see how my habit annoys you. My parents had old tins in their holiday home each with the word Coffee and Sugar on. They kept the tea bags in the coffee tin. The family knew that, and it was no problem. It would have driven you to despair wouldn't it? Lol.

Sigh.

Look, if you insist on keeping files you want in the trash, knock
your self out, but to use your words to someone else above, it isn't
the brightest move. The bottom line, you have decided to stubbornly
stick to a rather unorthodox approach that frankly makes no sense.
Sorry, but there it is. What people here have been trying to tell you
in so many polite words is that putting stuff in the trash you aren't
finished with is just plain stupid. If you think you want to keep
something, than keep it, or back it up somewhere else off you hard
drive but for Pete's sake man, don't keep it in the trash. You
mentioned something like you've been doing this for 20 years now
(wow). Apparently, it isn't working the way want it to or you
wouldn't be asking about solutions for how to (trying not to laugh)
organize your trash. You can rationalize your (I'll just put it out
there) DUMB method all you want. If you like it, keep doing it.
However, I suggest you stop thinking about the connotations of the
words "trash" and "recycle" and use the feature as it was designed
based on what's happening with the programming "under the hood." The
trash is for the sole purpose of tagging files for deletion. That's
it, nothing more and definitely not storage.
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A photograph is a secret about a secret. The more it tells you the less you know. Arbus.

 

[JulesJ]

I asked an original question and it seems there is not a satisfactory answer (for me). Fair enough, but it's you worried guys keeping the thread going, I'm enjoying the ride. Wouldn't it be boring if everyone did everything by the book. This forum harbors a lot of nerds, not that you would be one of course, but it is fun to unsettle them now and then.
Jules

Jules,
If you don't like the answer stop asking the question.

The definition of insanity is continuing to do the same thing and
expecting different results.

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A photograph is a secret about a secret. The more it tells you the less you know. Arbus.

 

[JulesJ]

That's not a bad idea. Remember the original question was to empty part of the trash. That's all. It wasn't such a blinder was it?
Jules

In your Home Folder, create a "Future Trash" folder in list view with
the older files at the top. Put it in the Dock. You can drag files
there as easily as you drag them to the trash. As the files get old
enough to be thrown away, trash them and empty the Trash.
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http://web.mac.com/rparker30d/iWeb/rparker30D/Welcome.html

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A photograph is a secret about a secret. The more it tells you the less you know. Arbus.

 

[noirdesir]

The real solution is to have a staggered backup or archival solution. Did I ever wanted to have files back that had been permanently removed by emptying the trash? Yes, for sure, most of us did. If you have multiple layers of backups, you just go back a backup from a few days ago, and bingo there is the file.

In your newspaper example, what if you read the newspaper during the commute on a train, finish it there and throw it in a public dustbin? Solution: backup, ie, online access to past articles (ie, an archive). In the proper sense a backup is a copy of data, an archive is data that you want out of the way but still want access to at a later time.

I don't consider the trash as anything where files stay for more than a few seconds. That is partly because I want maximum performance and therefore would like to have as much free space on my disk as possible. And also partly, because once I decide to get rid of a file, I want it gone, so I cannot have any second thoughts and change my mind again. Emptying the trash immediately is the best protection against this. For me the trash is just a protection against accidentally loosing a file by hit the wrong key.

 

[JulesJ]

Do you use Shift/Delete on the PC?
Jules

The real solution is to have a staggered backup or archival solution.
Did I ever wanted to have files back that had been permanently
removed by emptying the trash? Yes, for sure, most of us did. If you
have multiple layers of backups, you just go back a backup from a few
days ago, and bingo there is the file.

In your newspaper example, what if you read the newspaper during the
commute on a train, finish it there and throw it in a public dustbin?
Solution: backup, ie, online access to past articles (ie, an
archive). In the proper sense a backup is a copy of data, an archive
is data that you want out of the way but still want access to at a
later time.

I don't consider the trash as anything where files stay for more than
a few seconds. That is partly because I want maximum performance and
therefore would like to have as much free space on my disk as
possible. And also partly, because once I decide to get rid of a
file, I want it gone, so I cannot have any second thoughts and change
my mind again. Emptying the trash immediately is the best protection
against this. For me the trash is just a protection against
accidentally loosing a file by hit the wrong key.

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A photograph is a secret about a secret. The more it tells you the less you know. Arbus.

 

[noirdesir]

Do you use Shift/Delete on the PC?

I don't use PCs (if I can avoid it at any rate).

In the Finder (on Macs), I use cmd-del, then I lift my hands from the keyboard to give myself a second to think, then I press shift-cmd-del (and I have the warning disabled).

 

[rattymouse]

I want to store old tax documents in one of the dumpsters of my
Townhouse complex. How do I get the trash man to only take documents
that are more than 3 years old to the landfill but keep the newer
documents in the dumpster until they reach 3 years?
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Hilarous!!

 

[mxs]

concept of thrash in OS.

Try to visualize your real thrash at home ....... (sorry for the analogy, but you sort of asked for it ...), assuming you use it as most of us do.

 

[JulesJ]

We don't do trash in the UK. We do rubbish.
Jules

concept of thrash in OS.

Try to visualize your real thrash at home ....... (sorry for the
analogy, but you sort of asked for it ...), assuming you use it as
most of us do.

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A photograph is a secret about a secret. The more it tells you the less you know. Arbus.

 

[JulesJ]

We don't do thrash either!! Sounds like a nasty illness.
Jules

concept of thrash in OS.

Try to visualize your real thrash at home ....... (sorry for the
analogy, but you sort of asked for it ...), assuming you use it as
most of us do.

--

A photograph is a secret about a secret. The more it tells you the less you know. Arbus.

 

[Grant Hutchins]

No, they and you can keep whatever, wherever you want, no matter how little sense it makes. Your example is not really applicable here though. They didn't actively seek advice from others in asking, frankly, a stupid question and then hilariously tell a responder who gave you pretty much the only real answer as being "not too smart" because you didn't like the answer. Notice, that not one person confirmed your assertion that keeping stuff you want in the trash is a good thing. You maybe the only one who is right here, but generally, when you get a consensus from a variety of sources that leaves you the odd man out, you might want to at least consider questioning the wisdom of your methods.

I would however, suggest that your parents not follow your lead and that they refrain from keeping their tea in the trash.

I keep responding out of curiosity to see how long it will take you and how many other responses it will take for you to realize that storing files in the trash is not a good idea. It just kind of tickles me to see how long you will stubbornly try to defend a dumb idea and to witness what lengths you will go to rationalize it.

Try this; when in finder, go the the "help" menu from the top bar and do a search for "trash". Come back and tell us what you find. If you find anything there that even remotely justifies your practice of using the trash for storage, let us know. Google the same and provide us links from any site that offers "how to" info or tips about Mac computing that suggest you store wanted files in the trash. (chuckling)

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[webfrasse]

Well...your original question did indicate a problem that is solved in newer version of the OS. Time Machine was built to take care of exactly what happened to you.

The computer is merely a tool for you, for the photographer, the carpenter has his tools. Modern tools doesn't necessarily allow you to do a better job but it allows you to work more efficiently and faster.

Some people are sadly to thick for advice. Have it your way...see if we care.

Very true. Maybe this has been discussed already but Time Machine
sounds like the perfect solution for you. Attach a really big drive
(1TB, $129 at Costco). Let Time Machine use all of it for it's
backup. This allows you to go back in time and see the state of your
desktop every hour, day, week depending on how far back you look. If
you trash something, just go back in time and get it from it's
original location.

It is by far the best backup solution/recovery program you have ever
seen.

--
Mikael

--
A photograph is a secret about a secret. The more it tells you the
less you know. Arbus.

--
Mikael

 

[JulesJ]

It is a shame that in your last sentence you have to report to being rude.

Believe it or not one can run a 100% efficient and fast business using equipment and software that is not the latest. Funnily enough we had a dinner party last Saturday for six friends of ours, all professional photographers that have been successfuly in the business for years (being of our age, lol). PS came up and not one of them was using CS4 and they also had collections of computers that were not the latest. As I stated i do have a MacBook pro witht he latest OS on it and do know about, but have not used Time Machine. Believe it or not...I don't actually need it, nor do you. If you did then how did you manage before it existed? These things are like shiny jewels, designed to suck you into their web and spen unnecessary hard earned money on toys you don't really need.
So you don't care!! Do I care that you don't care? No.
jules

Well...your original question did indicate a problem that is solved
in newer version of the OS. Time Machine was built to take care of
exactly what happened to you.

The computer is merely a tool for you, for the photographer, the
carpenter has his tools. Modern tools doesn't necessarily allow you
to do a better job but it allows you to work more efficiently and
faster.

Some people are sadly to thick for advice. Have it your way...see if
we care.

 

[JulesJ]

Grant i only got half way through your post below...dozed off. Actually i did read it and am happy that you are so concerned about my naughty habits.

What you seem not to appreciate it that these files are already backed up, twice in fact. They just sit in my Trash as a third and very final safety net that will probably never be used. Why does it worry you so much, I find it quite amusing that you are so concerned.

Just for your interest, although I think you beyond interest. My wife shoots, and backs up to our backup system. Our clients then choose their images and my wife crops them and backs them up. Then these files are passed to me and I retouch, from the RAWs. I then back up my retouching to my backup externals. At this point I dump the copies of the retouched files into my Trash on the Mac and it is these files that I have been talking about. Our studio is networked to our workshop (me). Our retouched files are then uploaded to our out of house printer. He then prints and returns the prints PLU all the images burned to disc.

And you think My storing some files, just before they tip off the edge into oblivion, a bad idea do you?
Tough, you don't run our business. We all do things differently.
Jules

No, they and you can keep whatever, wherever you want, no matter how
little sense it makes. Your example is not really applicable here
though. They didn't actively seek advice from others in asking,
frankly, a stupid question and then hilariously tell a responder who
gave you pretty much the only real answer as being "not too smart"
because you didn't like the answer. Notice, that not one person
confirmed your assertion that keeping stuff you want in the trash is
a good thing. You maybe the only one who is right here, but
generally, when you get a consensus from a variety of sources that
leaves you the odd man out, you might want to at least consider
questioning the wisdom of your methods.

I would however, suggest that your parents not follow your lead and
that they refrain from keeping their tea in the trash.

I keep responding out of curiosity to see how long it will take you
and how many other responses it will take for you to realize that
storing files in the trash is not a good idea. It just kind of
tickles me to see how long you will stubbornly try to defend a dumb
idea and to witness what lengths you will go to rationalize it.

Try this; when in finder, go the the "help" menu from the top bar and
do a search for "trash". Come back and tell us what you find. If you
find anything there that even remotely justifies your practice of
using the trash for storage, let us know. Google the same and provide
us links from any site that offers "how to" info or tips about Mac
computing that suggest you store wanted files in the trash.
(chuckling)

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A photograph is a secret about a secret. The more it tells you the less you know. Arbus.

 

[webfrasse]

You're such a good boy. Why do you even ask all of us idiots? Just ask you six dinner party friends experts "know it all" "it was better before" "we are so successful". You obviously don't need us or this forum.

Here is my suggestion. Put up a new web site where you can gloat of track about how well you with your workflow and your tools;-)

It's funny to see you get all worked up about nothing...I can see your veins pumping

Well...your original question did indicate a problem that is solved
in newer version of the OS. Time Machine was built to take care of
exactly what happened to you.

The computer is merely a tool for you, for the photographer, the
carpenter has his tools. Modern tools doesn't necessarily allow you
to do a better job but it allows you to work more efficiently and
faster.

Some people are sadly to thick for advice. Have it your way...see if
we care.

--
Mikael

 

[Grant Hutchins]

Then why the fuss, man? If you already have everything backed up in 2 places, simply unpucker your tuchus, let your freak flag fly, and empty the trash already. If you let go of your inner Felix Unger and stay out of your "rubbish" bin, you may find more free time to pop by for a spot of tea with Mum ;-)

 

[JulesJ]

You completely missunderstand me. I'm very relaxed, it comes with age. It's you young wise ones who have the adrenalin pumping. But I've had enough fun now and think I've exhausted the possibilities of this conversation. And to think that you still believe everything that I say.
I've enjoyed the crack though, as the Irish say. Goodnight.
Jules

Here is my suggestion. Put up a new web site where you can gloat of
track about how well you with your workflow and your tools;-)

It's funny to see you get all worked up about nothing...I can see
your veins pumping

Well...your original question did indicate a problem that is solved
in newer version of the OS. Time Machine was built to take care of
exactly what happened to you.

The computer is merely a tool for you, for the photographer, the
carpenter has his tools. Modern tools doesn't necessarily allow you
to do a better job but it allows you to work more efficiently and
faster.

Some people are sadly to thick for advice. Have it your way...see if
we care.

--
Mikael

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A photograph is a secret about a secret. The more it tells you the less you know. Arbus.

 

[JulesJ]

What fuss. I'm just relaying my methods.You guys supply the fuss. But I think I've exhausted my creativity on this thread now. Time for a new one. Thanks for the ride.
jules

Then why the fuss, man? If you already have everything backed up in 2
places, simply unpucker your tuchus, let your freak flag fly, and
empty the trash already. If you let go of your inner Felix Unger and
stay out of your "rubbish" bin, you may find more free time to pop by
for a spot of tea with Mum ;-)

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A photograph is a secret about a secret. The more it tells you the less you know. Arbus.