Time to move on from m43?

[Tim in upstate NY]

. . . I'm much more humorous than Adventsam.

 

[Adventsam]

. . . I'm much more humorous than Adventsam.

Really! ;-()

 

[SLOtographer]

Horses for courses.

5D3 makes sense for people who get paid to shoot. They have to worry about the competition too and not just be good enough.

For the rest of us, just get what you like and shoot.
--
SLOtographer

"If we limit our vision to the real world, we will forever be fighting on the minus side of things, working only too make our photographs equal to what we see out there, but no better." -- Galen Rowell

 

[Geekapoo]

Silver and black? To heck with that.......if the new canon came in blue, red, white, brown or pink.....it would be a keeper!

 

[Everdog]

Its interesting though because - like the EM-5 - in pictures, the 5dIII looks quite large. I am sure its just an optical illusion.

Yeah, the e-m5 looks a lot smaller when you see it in someone's hand, and the 5dIII looks a lot smaller when you see it with the 2 people holding it.

 

[Xellz]

I see one mistake, i think quite many people would love to have native iso 100 in m4/3 cameras

I'm glad to see there are still some folks here with a sense of humor. (But maybe not Tim.) I half expected to get bombarded with scathing posts saying one or more of the following:

The 5D is too big
Canon lenses are too big
No one needs ISO that high / low
No one needs that many megapixels
It doesn't have enough megapixels
It doesn't have IBIS
Why does it have a mode dial? I hate mode dials.
Why doesn't it have a pop-up flash?
Oly did radio slave flashes first
OVFs suck
Canons suck
You suck

(All of which are probably true)

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Bokeh is the aesthetic quality of the blur in out-of-focus areas of an image, or the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light. Bokeh is not the same as depth of field (DOF).

 

[Pixnat2]

I don't really understand why some posters compare a FF camera to a m4/3 camera....

Here's some help :

• FF sensor is 2X 4/3 sensor
• FF sensor is 2X better at high ISO and DR than 4/3 sensor

but

• FF camera system is more than 2X heavier than m4/3 camera system
• FF camera is more than 2x expensive than m4/3 camera

so

• If you're a pro, go FF with a m4/3 backup for your leisures
• If you're an amateur, m4/3 is more than you need

and perhaps

• If you're a rich amateur, buy both
• If you're not a rich amateur, enjoy what you have

and last advice

• stop pixel peeping at DPreview, it makes you frustrated

Instead, go out and shoot!
--
Cheers,

Frederic
http://azurphoto.com/blog/

 

[Tim in upstate NY]

I don't really understand why some posters compare a FF camera to a m4/3 camera....

Here's some help :

• FF sensor is 2X 4/3 sensor
• FF sensor is 2X better at high ISO and DR than 4/3 sensor

but

• FF camera system is more than 2X heavier than m4/3 camera system
• FF camera is more than 2x expensive than m4/3 camera

so

• If you're a pro, go FF with a m4/3 backup for your leisures
• If you're an amateur, m4/3 is more than you need

and perhaps

• If you're a rich amateur, buy both
• If you're not a rich amateur, enjoy what you have

and last advice

• stop pixel peeping at DPreview, it makes you frustrated

Instead, go out and shoot!

. . . The OP is just trying to have some fun at the expense of what he perceives as the pixel peeping glass is always half empty crowd. That kind of obtuse humor rarely goes over very well in a text only medium but it never stops some here from trying it anyway. Writers and print journalists are taught to deliver the message so that it's understood by all if possible but that principle sometimes isn't well understood here on the internet.

 

[Pixnat2]

I don't really understand why some posters compare a FF camera to a m4/3 camera....

Here's some help :

• FF sensor is 2X 4/3 sensor
• FF sensor is 2X better at high ISO and DR than 4/3 sensor

but

• FF camera system is more than 2X heavier than m4/3 camera system
• FF camera is more than 2x expensive than m4/3 camera

so

• If you're a pro, go FF with a m4/3 backup for your leisures
• If you're an amateur, m4/3 is more than you need

and perhaps

• If you're a rich amateur, buy both
• If you're not a rich amateur, enjoy what you have

and last advice

• stop pixel peeping at DPreview, it makes you frustrated

Instead, go out and shoot!

. . . The OP is just trying to have some fun at the expense of what he perceives as the pixel peeping glass is always half empty crowd. That kind of obtuse humor rarely goes over very well in a text only medium but it never stops some here from trying it anyway. Writers and print journalists are taught to deliver the message so that it's understood by all if possible but that principle sometimes isn't well understood here on the internet.

Thanks for clarifying Tim. I'm not a native english speaker, so I didn't understand the subtility
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Cheers,

Frederic
http://azurphoto.com/blog/

 

[Louis_Dobson]

I can't help feeling Canon have shot themselves in the foot.

The 5DII was a big sensor in a cheap body. The D700 was far better, but lower res and cost more. FF offers two advantages, shallow DoF and low light shooting. The Canon did the low light shooting OK, and was fine for wedding shooters, but as a DoF art camera the AF was hopeless.

So now Canon have caught up. The 5DIII has all the bells and whistles, and a proper AF system.

Trouble is, the D800 has higher res, the same bells and whistles, and appears to cost less. Also Nikon's FX lens range is far more appealing.

That camera is going to have to offer something very special in real life use, or Nikon have them on toast.

Oh, and on the nasty dig front, from my PoV the jury is still out on whether NFT will, this year, satisfy all my requirements (flog my remaining Nikon FF gear), most of my requirements (buy S/H D700 for some odd jobs), or just some (buy D800E and stop buying more MFT kit).
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http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com

 

[Hans Gruber]

Or maybe some nice overexposed rocks.

 

[Guy Parsons]

I don't really understand why some posters compare a FF camera to a m4/3 camera....

As mentioned, some are just having fun with the forum and the silly pixel peepers, they should insert smilies to avoid confusing the innocent

Here's some help :

• FF sensor is 2X 4/3 sensor

Ummm, isn't it 4X the area?

• FF sensor is 2X better at high ISO and DR than 4/3 sensor

but

• FF camera system is more than 2X heavier than m4/3 camera system
• FF camera is more than 2x expensive than m4/3 camera

so

• If you're a pro, go FF with a m4/3 backup for your leisures
• If you're an amateur, m4/3 is more than you need

and perhaps

• If you're a rich amateur, buy both
• If you're not a rich amateur, enjoy what you have

and last advice

• stop pixel peeping at DPreview, it makes you frustrated

Instead, go out and shoot!

A good summary that people should try and remember, and the last advice is is needed for every forum.

In fact it would make this forum a better place if the top 4 or 5 posters stopped posting altogether for a month and just went and took photos.

Regards.......... Guy

Oly & M4/3 links.... http://homepages.ihug.com.au/~parsog/olyepl1/03-epl1-links.html

 

[Louis_Dobson]

FF has no IQ advantage except in low light (although 38MP Nikon may change that, we shall see, however 22MP 5DIII can do nothing in normal light 16MP MFT cannot).

If you have to shoot weddings, or other jobs where you cannot control the light, get a 5DIII (or D800, better). Otherwise, don't. MFT quality as good, weight far lower.

I don't really understand why some posters compare a FF camera to a m4/3 camera....

Here's some help :

• FF sensor is 2X 4/3 sensor
• FF sensor is 2X better at high ISO and DR than 4/3 sensor

but

• FF camera system is more than 2X heavier than m4/3 camera system
• FF camera is more than 2x expensive than m4/3 camera

so

• If you're a pro, go FF with a m4/3 backup for your leisures
• If you're an amateur, m4/3 is more than you need

and perhaps

• If you're a rich amateur, buy both
• If you're not a rich amateur, enjoy what you have

and last advice

• stop pixel peeping at DPreview, it makes you frustrated

Instead, go out and shoot!
--
Cheers,

Frederic
http://azurphoto.com/blog/

--
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com

 

[JohnMyron]

I see the new EOS 5D MkIII has ISOs from 50 to 102,800. That ought to satisfy everyone from Louis to the most rabid cat-in-a-coal-bin, if I can't shoot in complete darkness the camera's no good crowd.

Oh, and it does 1080P at 24, 25 and 30 fps, too.

Yep, my GH2, which has been taking perfectly good photos, in now obsolete. :|
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Bokeh is the aesthetic quality of the blur in out-of-focus areas of an image, or the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light. Bokeh is not the same as depth of field (DOF).

GOOD GOOD GOOD I Certainly hope Louis (to stupid to figure out the Gh2) and the rest of the "if it can't shoot in complete darkness the camera's no good crowd" moves to another forum!!!!!!!!!!!! That would be great. This forum would be so much more pleasant.
BTW Please take tedolf with you he will fit in perfectly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
john
my equipment is in Gear List
if you live near me you can test any of it...just e-mail

 

[Louis_Dobson]

Shows how closely you follow, I've no interest in anything except base ISO.

At least you have some good pictures in your gallery. Makes a change from being abused by people who can't grasp a point and can't use a camera.

I see the new EOS 5D MkIII has ISOs from 50 to 102,800. That ought to satisfy everyone from Louis to the most rabid cat-in-a-coal-bin, if I can't shoot in complete darkness the camera's no good crowd.

Oh, and it does 1080P at 24, 25 and 30 fps, too.

Yep, my GH2, which has been taking perfectly good photos, in now obsolete. :|
--

Bokeh is the aesthetic quality of the blur in out-of-focus areas of an image, or the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light. Bokeh is not the same as depth of field (DOF).

GOOD GOOD GOOD I Certainly hope Louis (to stupid to figure out the Gh2) and the rest of the "if it can't shoot in complete darkness the camera's no good crowd" moves to another forum!!!!!!!!!!!! That would be great. This forum would be so much more pleasant.
BTW Please take tedolf with you he will fit in perfectly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

--
john
my equipment is in Gear List
if you live near me you can test any of it...just e-mail

--
http://www.flickr.com/photos/acam
http://thegentlemansnapper.blogspot.com

 

[JohnMyron]

I'm glad to see there are still some folks here with a sense of humor. (But maybe not Tim.) I half expected to get bombarded with scathing posts saying one or more of the following:

The 5D is too big
Canon lenses are too big
No one needs ISO that high / low
No one needs that many megapixels
It doesn't have enough megapixels
It doesn't have IBIS
Why does it have a mode dial? I hate mode dials.
Why doesn't it have a pop-up flash?
Oly did radio slave flashes first
OVFs suck
Canons suck
You suck

(All of which are probably true)

--

Bokeh is the aesthetic quality of the blur in out-of-focus areas of an image, or the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light. Bokeh is not the same as depth of field (DOF).

BOMBARDED...NO NO NO some of the people not happy with Micro Four Thirds should diffidently get a EOS 5D MkIII and it is time for them to move on from m43. Sure would be nicer around this forum!
john
my equipment is in Gear List
if you live near me you can test any of it...just e-mail

 

[Bob Meyer]

Geez, Tim, I even put a big wink smiley at the end of my post. How more more obvious do I need to be? People criticized Kirk Tuck when he ended a recent blog post with a note that the post was sarcasm, but some people are just so dense they won't get it if you don't rub their face in it.

. . . The OP is just trying to have some fun at the expense of what he perceives as the pixel peeping glass is always half empty crowd. That kind of obtuse humor rarely goes over very well in a text only medium but it never stops some here from trying it anyway. Writers and print journalists are taught to deliver the message so that it's understood by all if possible but that principle sometimes isn't well understood here on the internet.

--

Bokeh is the aesthetic quality of the blur in out-of-focus areas of an image, or the way the lens renders out-of-focus points of light. Bokeh is not the same as depth of field (DOF).

 

[boyzo]

Its interesting though because - like the EM-5 - in pictures, the 5dIII looks quite large. I am sure its just an optical illusion.

Yeah, the e-m5 looks a lot smaller when you see it in someone's hand, and the 5dIII looks a lot smaller when you see it with the 2 people holding it.

Its actually very comfortable to hold the 5Dmk11 with smaller lenses, the MK3 improvements are very real so its going to sell well.

As with all DSLR's no live view thru' the Optical viewfinder, if you resort to using the LCD in live view AF is slow.
--
John

http://boyzo.smugmug.com
http://www.flickr.com/photos/48966961@N00/sets/

 

[palker]

Silver and black? To heck with that.......if the new canon came in blue, red, white, brown or pink.....it would be a keeper!

In pink you say, hmm, coupled with some huge beige lenses .. it could be what i've been looking for.

 

[Bob Meyer]

And I don't really appreciate having my post, which was intended to poke a little fun, associated with the insulting rant from JohnMoron. Oops, Myron. Sorry.

At least you have some good pictures in your gallery. Makes a change from being abused by people who can grasp a point and can't use a camera.

GOOD GOOD GOOD I Certainly hope Louis (to stupid to figure out the Gh2) and the rest of the "if it can't shoot in complete darkness the camera's no good crowd" moves to another forum!!!!!!!!!!!! That would be great. This forum would be so much more pleasant.
BTW Please take tedolf with you he will fit in perfectly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!