The importance of camera styling and appearance

Hi. I'm new to this forum. I ran across it thru reasearch into
the MD7. I've been a Minolta user for about 30 years.
This is heresy, you know. A person can't possibly be a Real Man unless he rushes right out and buys a D1X. :-)
So, I guess I'm utterly amazed at all of the input concerning the
body cover. Don't forget what's inside--that's what
counts--believe me; I know.
I started out with computers by using a Kaypro 2, whose design as I recall was based on scopes used by engineers in the field. Gawd, but it was lovely, all 64K of it. :-)
Okay, guys, and dogpoo, or whatever, go at it.
LOL. Even as we speak, the gentleman in question is no doubt frantically combing the chat-rooms for "cute" screen names consisting of two groups of three letters.
 
Mr DooDah, or Carstairs, or Codpiece... or whatever other
name you choose to go by at this minute...
I see the "gentleman" is at it again -- this time as "ballsout" (an
entirely different login from another phony e-mail address --
before, it was "[email protected]"; now, he's "[email protected]"). The hits
just keep on comin'...there's got to be an AOL chat room
somewhere that would love to have this guy as a member. :-)
Naughty me, I used a different alias!!! I assume the FBI are on their way?

Now, back to that ugly camera.....
 
Thanks guys,

I appreciate your feedback. I really do. Don't forget that a retired physicist, (or school teacher, for that matter) doesn't have a lot of money to spend. That's why I'm so interested in the MD7, which I can afford.

I'll probably step out for a while and just read the feedback. Can't get hurt by that!

But, I must submit, that the information given in my first message is true, factual, and, I cannot give you further information on the research projects. However, this is (NOT) the forum to discuss those projects.

I'll just read for another week or two, or three.

Dave.
 
Metal does have it all over plastics for heat transfer. That might
be a big strike against plastic in a CCD camera with enclosed
batteries. I know on the Casio and on the G-1, the batteries get
hot during use. The heat can be felt thru the case of either
camera. Assuming the same about the D-7, with the AA batteries,
that part of the camera should have some extra built in heat sink
type heat removal. I would like a real confirmation on whether or
not the body of the camera is indeed plastic, or if it is a magnesium
conglomerate type material. I would also like to see the results
of Deadpixel.exe from several samples.
The ugly camera thing is just too much.
Yeah, it is. Totally ridiculous.
the plastic complaint is also bogus to me. I know
what you can do with plastic
I can see why someone would feel under-confident in a machine if
it "feels" flimsy. But the question is: IS it flimsy? At work they
supply coffee in these thin plastic packages. I mean, THIN. And
everyone uses scissors to cut the damned things open, because just
about nobody is strong enough either to tear the plastic or even
pull the package apart at the seams (the adhesive -- probably some
other kind of plastic -- is very strong). So...is some control or
compartment door (battery compartment, the cover for the panel
containing the ports, etc.) liable to snap right off? Yeah, that
would bother me.

Hey! How about they resurrect Bakelite and start making cameras out
of it? Of course they'd be liable to shatter into a million pieces
if they were sneezed on, but by godfrey they'd feel as if they
were tough and solid.

And of course, they'd be beautiful. Imagine...this for the guy with
the closet-ful of tasteful shoes: a Bakelite camera, shiny black on
the outside, with the elegant styling that elicits such fond
memories of the high design sense of the 1950s. (At which point the
equipment geeks would start having arguments along the lines of "My
retro is better than YOUR retro". :-)
 
I am sure that Minolta will be heart-broken over your choice to not
purchase their Dimage 7. However, I think that your reasoning is
rather misguided.

Any digital camera will attract a certain amount of attention in
public. I was one of the original digital camera users, long before
removable memory. Anybody remember the Kodak 25? I can't tell you
how many strangers would walk up to me and ask me about my digital
cameras. And that was a somewhat normal looking camera by
comparison.

Its still a new arena. People are still curious. Get over it.
Otherwise, cough up three grand for a Canon D-30 body, a few more
hundred bucks for a lens (maybe 2) and flash and get the hell off
Minolta's back.

Now, to address this Dimage 7 issue.

Its hot. Its happening. And it'll blow any other equally priced
camera out of the water (and probably a few higher priced digitals
too). The lens ranges from a 28mm to a 200mm with macro, and does
well in low light situations.

I've seen some 11x14 photos produced from the Dimage 7 and let me
tell you, the clarity and color is un-f* ing-believable. I just
got mine and I love it.

The Dimage 7 is far from a "kid's toy."
 
Mike,

no, we are not related.

Also, I did get the camera here in the US but can't say how. Sorry, its a situation that is best left undiscussed at the moment - but it is not a grey market model either.

As for sample pictures i'm hoping to be able to post some by the end of the weekend.
I am sure that Minolta will be heart-broken over your choice to not
purchase their Dimage 7. However, I think that your reasoning is
rather misguided.

Any digital camera will attract a certain amount of attention in
public. I was one of the original digital camera users, long before
removable memory. Anybody remember the Kodak 25? I can't tell you
how many strangers would walk up to me and ask me about my digital
cameras. And that was a somewhat normal looking camera by
comparison.

Its still a new arena. People are still curious. Get over it.
Otherwise, cough up three grand for a Canon D-30 body, a few more
hundred bucks for a lens (maybe 2) and flash and get the hell off
Minolta's back.

Now, to address this Dimage 7 issue.

Its hot. Its happening. And it'll blow any other equally priced
camera out of the water (and probably a few higher priced digitals
too). The lens ranges from a 28mm to a 200mm with macro, and does
well in low light situations.

I've seen some 11x14 photos produced from the Dimage 7 and let me
tell you, the clarity and color is un-f* ing-believable. I just
got mine and I love it.

The Dimage 7 is far from a "kid's toy."
 
Oh sorry about that. I saw that both of you (The Man and SweetCharity) had the same last name (at least in your profiles email) and that both of you had the D7 (in the US which hasn't been released yet). OH well, still waiting for them to arrive here to have a good look. Can't wait to see some samples.

Mike
no, we are not related.
Also, I did get the camera here in the US but can't say how. Sorry,
its a situation that is best left undiscussed at the moment - but
it is not a grey market model either.
As for sample pictures i'm hoping to be able to post some by the
end of the weekend.
I am sure that Minolta will be heart-broken over your choice to not
purchase their Dimage 7. However, I think that your reasoning is
rather misguided.

Any digital camera will attract a certain amount of attention in
public. I was one of the original digital camera users, long before
removable memory. Anybody remember the Kodak 25? I can't tell you
how many strangers would walk up to me and ask me about my digital
cameras. And that was a somewhat normal looking camera by
comparison.

Its still a new arena. People are still curious. Get over it.
Otherwise, cough up three grand for a Canon D-30 body, a few more
hundred bucks for a lens (maybe 2) and flash and get the hell off
Minolta's back.

Now, to address this Dimage 7 issue.

Its hot. Its happening. And it'll blow any other equally priced
camera out of the water (and probably a few higher priced digitals
too). The lens ranges from a 28mm to a 200mm with macro, and does
well in low light situations.

I've seen some 11x14 photos produced from the Dimage 7 and let me
tell you, the clarity and color is un-f* ing-believable. I just
got mine and I love it.

The Dimage 7 is far from a "kid's toy."
 
But, I must submit, that the information given in my first message
is true, factual, and, I cannot give you further information on the
research projects.
I know others who've worked on such projects and I realize that the work cannot be discussed. Nor would I ask. (Last time I tried, and it was an innocent sort of question, for about an hour the guy would barely speak to me, and there I was, a guest in his own house...I learned my lesson...)
 
Hi Bob.

All previews state a magnesium alloy as do Minolta's official website. Magnesium alloys CAN feel a bit plastic like but it sure isn't. Also, I read complaints that the camera is not all black instead of silver. Have these people read about heat absorption or been in the tropics?

However the placement of the batteries has me worried a bit, too. Let's just hope the engineers at Minolta really got their degrees. Hopefully there's a reason for the placement, although I read that the D7 is not quite balanced because of overcrowding the lens/batteries compartment.

BTW, I don't know if you were just joshing about your dizziness problem. I just recently saw a medical program on TV, where they explain that lots of dizziness problems is due to small crystal fragments having been torn loose from the inner ear. This problem can be remedied by a 30 min. session with an ear doctor positioning your head in different angles and flushing a bit. No operation, and all patients came out with all symptoms of dizziness gone.

Maxven
The ugly camera thing is just too much.
Yeah, it is. Totally ridiculous.
the plastic complaint is also bogus to me. I know
what you can do with plastic
I can see why someone would feel under-confident in a machine if
it "feels" flimsy. But the question is: IS it flimsy? At work they
supply coffee in these thin plastic packages. I mean, THIN. And
everyone uses scissors to cut the damned things open, because just
about nobody is strong enough either to tear the plastic or even
pull the package apart at the seams (the adhesive -- probably some
other kind of plastic -- is very strong). So...is some control or
compartment door (battery compartment, the cover for the panel
containing the ports, etc.) liable to snap right off? Yeah, that
would bother me.

Hey! How about they resurrect Bakelite and start making cameras out
of it? Of course they'd be liable to shatter into a million pieces
if they were sneezed on, but by godfrey they'd feel as if they
were tough and solid.

And of course, they'd be beautiful. Imagine...this for the guy with
the closet-ful of tasteful shoes: a Bakelite camera, shiny black on
the outside, with the elegant styling that elicits such fond
memories of the high design sense of the 1950s. (At which point the
equipment geeks would start having arguments along the lines of "My
retro is better than YOUR retro". :-)
 
Let me say only two things.

The perception about what it's ugly and what it's nice it's
strongly depending on the cultural influences.
In many fields these cultural influences get organised in some
waves, commonly called "fashioins".
The fashion change making a changement in the perception of the
beauty from the peoples: e.g. who consider today nice a wear
typical of years '70 ??
You're right. I've always thought of the 70's fashion (not to mention the 80's) quite repulsive. About five years ago a big fashion trend in Denmark was dressing in the 70's style. At first I was a bit thrown off, but soon I was just glearing at those girls with their hear put back and those tight trumpet pants. Just goes to show how easily we're influenced...

Maxven
 
Hi The Man

Can't you post a new thread with regards to your impressions of the camera? This way the ones of us concerned with the cameras performance and not the looks, don't have to read through all the crap from vain people soo embarassed to be seen with the camera in their hands.
Personally I'd be happy to be seen anywhere with this spec-beating camera :-)

Maxven
no, we are not related.
Also, I did get the camera here in the US but can't say how. Sorry,
its a situation that is best left undiscussed at the moment - but
it is not a grey market model either.
As for sample pictures i'm hoping to be able to post some by the
end of the weekend.
I am sure that Minolta will be heart-broken over your choice to not
purchase their Dimage 7. However, I think that your reasoning is
rather misguided.

Any digital camera will attract a certain amount of attention in
public. I was one of the original digital camera users, long before
removable memory. Anybody remember the Kodak 25? I can't tell you
how many strangers would walk up to me and ask me about my digital
cameras. And that was a somewhat normal looking camera by
comparison.

Its still a new arena. People are still curious. Get over it.
Otherwise, cough up three grand for a Canon D-30 body, a few more
hundred bucks for a lens (maybe 2) and flash and get the hell off
Minolta's back.

Now, to address this Dimage 7 issue.

Its hot. Its happening. And it'll blow any other equally priced
camera out of the water (and probably a few higher priced digitals
too). The lens ranges from a 28mm to a 200mm with macro, and does
well in low light situations.

I've seen some 11x14 photos produced from the Dimage 7 and let me
tell you, the clarity and color is un-f* ing-believable. I just
got mine and I love it.

The Dimage 7 is far from a "kid's toy."
 
In my case, they assume it is from too many head injuries
over the years. I used to fight in the ring, and a bit
elsewhere. I have been in a couple of serious accidents,
and have fractured my skull 4 or 5 times. It just is.
They operated in early febuary to take pressure off of
my spinal cord in hopes that would change things, but
no improvement yet. It is not a big deal. You play the hand
the way the cards fall, or you fold. In my case, I am still
pushing the bet. Sorry to anyone offended by the off
topic discussion.
All previews state a magnesium alloy as do Minolta's official
website. Magnesium alloys CAN feel a bit plastic like but it sure
isn't. Also, I read complaints that the camera is not all black
instead of silver. Have these people read about heat absorption or
been in the tropics?
However the placement of the batteries has me worried a bit, too.
Let's just hope the engineers at Minolta really got their degrees.
Hopefully there's a reason for the placement, although I read that
the D7 is not quite balanced because of overcrowding the
lens/batteries compartment.

BTW, I don't know if you were just joshing about your dizziness
problem. I just recently saw a medical program on TV, where they
explain that lots of dizziness problems is due to small crystal
fragments having been torn loose from the inner ear. This problem
can be remedied by a 30 min. session with an ear doctor positioning
your head in different angles and flushing a bit. No operation, and
all patients came out with all symptoms of dizziness gone.

Maxven
The ugly camera thing is just too much.
Yeah, it is. Totally ridiculous.
the plastic complaint is also bogus to me. I know
what you can do with plastic
I can see why someone would feel under-confident in a machine if
it "feels" flimsy. But the question is: IS it flimsy? At work they
supply coffee in these thin plastic packages. I mean, THIN. And
everyone uses scissors to cut the damned things open, because just
about nobody is strong enough either to tear the plastic or even
pull the package apart at the seams (the adhesive -- probably some
other kind of plastic -- is very strong). So...is some control or
compartment door (battery compartment, the cover for the panel
containing the ports, etc.) liable to snap right off? Yeah, that
would bother me.

Hey! How about they resurrect Bakelite and start making cameras out
of it? Of course they'd be liable to shatter into a million pieces
if they were sneezed on, but by godfrey they'd feel as if they
were tough and solid.

And of course, they'd be beautiful. Imagine...this for the guy with
the closet-ful of tasteful shoes: a Bakelite camera, shiny black on
the outside, with the elegant styling that elicits such fond
memories of the high design sense of the 1950s. (At which point the
equipment geeks would start having arguments along the lines of "My
retro is better than YOUR retro". :-)
 
Oh sorry about that. I saw that both of you (The Man and
SweetCharity) had the same last name (at least in your profiles
email) and that both of you had the D7 (in the US which hasn't been
released yet). OH well, still waiting for them to arrive here to
have a good look. Can't wait to see some samples.
********

That is funny , isn't it? They both have the same last names and both joined the list in the last 2 weeks and both are in the US with an unreleased camera. One has an excite email and the other a yahoo address. Too funny.

MZ
 
Mike Ditta, Murray Z, and anyone else,

Sorry about the confusion. It DOES turn out that SweetCharity and I are related and I wasn't aware of it actually. SweetCharity turns out to be my wife. I wasn't aware that she read through these forums let along posted on them but she is excited about the new camera also so I guess she wanted to participate. It wasn't untill Mike mentioned the fact that the last names on the email addresses were the same that I looked myself and than asked her!

Sorry, I wasn't trying to hide anything or mislead anyone in this forum with any deliberate misinformation, even something as trivial as this.
Oh sorry about that. I saw that both of you (The Man and
SweetCharity) had the same last name (at least in your profiles
email) and that both of you had the D7 (in the US which hasn't been
released yet). OH well, still waiting for them to arrive here to
have a good look. Can't wait to see some samples.
********
That is funny , isn't it? They both have the same last names and
both joined the list in the last 2 weeks and both are in the US
with an unreleased camera. One has an excite email and the other a
yahoo address. Too funny.

MZ
 
......
Any digital camera will attract a certain amount of attention in
public. I was one of the original digital camera users, long before
removable memory. Anybody remember the Kodak 25? I can't tell you
how many strangers would walk up to me and ask me about my digital
cameras. And that was a somewhat normal looking camera by
comparison.
Very true, I started with a Casio QV-10A years ago. Similar results.
......
Now, to address this Dimage 7 issue.

Its hot. Its happening. And it'll blow any other equally priced
camera out of the water (and probably a few higher priced digitals
too). The lens ranges from a 28mm to a 200mm with macro, and does
well in low light situations.
Any other equally priced camera, maybe. But the D7 is rather expensive in the current prosumer market. The major cons for me however, are the typical Minolta hotshoe (meaning I would have to buy another expensive flash unit) and the typical Minolta PSAM menu-switching. Never been a fan in that department.
Theo
 
Hi Bob.

Hope everything works out to the best! Wouldn't want to meet you in the ring, though :-)

Maxven
All previews state a magnesium alloy as do Minolta's official
website. Magnesium alloys CAN feel a bit plastic like but it sure
isn't. Also, I read complaints that the camera is not all black
instead of silver. Have these people read about heat absorption or
been in the tropics?
However the placement of the batteries has me worried a bit, too.
Let's just hope the engineers at Minolta really got their degrees.
Hopefully there's a reason for the placement, although I read that
the D7 is not quite balanced because of overcrowding the
lens/batteries compartment.

BTW, I don't know if you were just joshing about your dizziness
problem. I just recently saw a medical program on TV, where they
explain that lots of dizziness problems is due to small crystal
fragments having been torn loose from the inner ear. This problem
can be remedied by a 30 min. session with an ear doctor positioning
your head in different angles and flushing a bit. No operation, and
all patients came out with all symptoms of dizziness gone.

Maxven
The ugly camera thing is just too much.
Yeah, it is. Totally ridiculous.
the plastic complaint is also bogus to me. I know
what you can do with plastic
I can see why someone would feel under-confident in a machine if
it "feels" flimsy. But the question is: IS it flimsy? At work they
supply coffee in these thin plastic packages. I mean, THIN. And
everyone uses scissors to cut the damned things open, because just
about nobody is strong enough either to tear the plastic or even
pull the package apart at the seams (the adhesive -- probably some
other kind of plastic -- is very strong). So...is some control or
compartment door (battery compartment, the cover for the panel
containing the ports, etc.) liable to snap right off? Yeah, that
would bother me.

Hey! How about they resurrect Bakelite and start making cameras out
of it? Of course they'd be liable to shatter into a million pieces
if they were sneezed on, but by godfrey they'd feel as if they
were tough and solid.

And of course, they'd be beautiful. Imagine...this for the guy with
the closet-ful of tasteful shoes: a Bakelite camera, shiny black on
the outside, with the elegant styling that elicits such fond
memories of the high design sense of the 1950s. (At which point the
equipment geeks would start having arguments along the lines of "My
retro is better than YOUR retro". :-)
 
Let me guess. You're reviews have been over-the-top positive, and another post (comparing the D7 & D5) seemed to know more than is published about the D5. You must be a Minolta employee! If so, don't your company guidelines require you to identify yourself as such when commenting on your products?
BarryD
Mike,

no, we are not related.
Also, I did get the camera here in the US but can't say how. Sorry,
its a situation that is best left undiscussed at the moment - but
it is not a grey market model either.
As for sample pictures i'm hoping to be able to post some by the
end of the weekend.
 
In my case, they assume it is from too many head injuries
over the years. I used to fight in the ring, and a bit
elsewhere. I have been in a couple of serious accidents,
and have fractured my skull 4 or 5 times. It just is.
They operated in early febuary to take pressure off of
my spinal cord in hopes that would change things, but
no improvement yet. It is not a big deal. You play the hand
the way the cards fall, or you fold. In my case, I am still
pushing the bet. Sorry to anyone offended by the off
topic discussion.
Maxven wrote:
Hey Bob, God bless you....this camera stuff is just for fun and if it adds some quality to your life than so be it....keep pushing the bet and I hope the D-7 is as tuff as you are...

Jimmy
Hi Bob.

All previews state a magnesium alloy as do Minolta's official
website. Magnesium alloys CAN feel a bit plastic like but it sure
isn't. Also, I read complaints that the camera is not all black
instead of silver. Have these people read about heat absorption or
been in the tropics?
However the placement of the batteries has me worried a bit, too.
Let's just hope the engineers at Minolta really got their degrees.
Hopefully there's a reason for the placement, although I read that
the D7 is not quite balanced because of overcrowding the
lens/batteries compartment.

BTW, I don't know if you were just joshing about your dizziness
problem. I just recently saw a medical program on TV, where they
explain that lots of dizziness problems is due to small crystal
fragments having been torn loose from the inner ear. This problem
can be remedied by a 30 min. session with an ear doctor positioning
your head in different angles and flushing a bit. No operation, and
all patients came out with all symptoms of dizziness gone.

Maxven
The ugly camera thing is just too much.
Yeah, it is. Totally ridiculous.
the plastic complaint is also bogus to me. I know
what you can do with plastic
I can see why someone would feel under-confident in a machine if
it "feels" flimsy. But the question is: IS it flimsy? At work they
supply coffee in these thin plastic packages. I mean, THIN. And
everyone uses scissors to cut the damned things open, because just
about nobody is strong enough either to tear the plastic or even
pull the package apart at the seams (the adhesive -- probably some
other kind of plastic -- is very strong). So...is some control or
compartment door (battery compartment, the cover for the panel
containing the ports, etc.) liable to snap right off? Yeah, that
would bother me.

Hey! How about they resurrect Bakelite and start making cameras out
of it? Of course they'd be liable to shatter into a million pieces
if they were sneezed on, but by godfrey they'd feel as if they
were tough and solid.

And of course, they'd be beautiful. Imagine...this for the guy with
the closet-ful of tasteful shoes: a Bakelite camera, shiny black on
the outside, with the elegant styling that elicits such fond
memories of the high design sense of the 1950s. (At which point the
equipment geeks would start having arguments along the lines of "My
retro is better than YOUR retro". :-)
 
Any other equally priced camera, maybe. But the D7 is rather
expensive in the current prosumer market. The major cons for me
however, are the typical Minolta hotshoe (meaning I would have to
buy another expensive flash unit) and the typical Minolta PSAM
menu-switching. Never been a fan in that department.
No more expensive (and in fact a little cheaper than something like the Oly E-10, which is NOT worth $2000 to me!) than some other 'leading edge' digicams of the past.

As for the 'minolta hotshoe' there is a relatively inexpensive adapter available that will allow you to use virtually any third party flash on the D7/D5. Plus, if the D7/D5 prove to be as popular as I think they'll be, there will be other third party strobes available for them shortly.

And I don't quite understand your statement about Minolta's PASM switching?? Are you saying that it had to be done via a menu on the LCD? If so, you are incorrect as those functions are available via dials and switches on the outside of the camera.

Bob Dolson
 

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