T1 vs S400

[gyosa]

extremely compact camcorder that just happens to take really good 5mp photos....

i have a 6 month old son , and that is why i bought the camera.... i wanted a really small camera that took KILLER movies and GREAT photos.

i am not disappointed.
it is the ONLY camera that met MY requirements.

-bk

 

[digijoe]

Hey,

I just bought the T1 last week, I love the camera, I have fuji f610 a canon s400 and canon 1ds and 10d and I found that you have to turn the sharpening down to the lowest in camera setting and then open the image in photoshop and crop it to 5x7, 8x10 or whatever size you need it and then apply the sharpening. For 5x7 300dpi I use 400/3/0 in the unsharp mask in photoshop, the images are beautiful and much sharper and more detail then you will get when the camera processes the image.

Try it!

Joe

http://server.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/T1/FULLRES/T1OUTAP0.HTM

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/S400/FULLRES/S40OUTDP1.HTM

The above compares the T1 with the often mentioned S400.
Look at the details of the hair. The reviewer concluded the T1
noise suppression reduces the images of the hair to mere blur.
Compare it to the S400 where you can even count the hair.
I wonder if the reviewer somehow makes some kind of
mistakes.. like lighting or so in the taking of the picture. If anyone
can repeat it and claify, pls do. I just can't believe they can make
the T1 that bad with such a major loss of details. If this is
unavoidable. Is the lens or sensor of the T1 the culprit in
producing such a major loss of details. What do you think?

p

--
Joseph Albert
Bringing you the best in digital capture

 

[digijoe]

The lag time in the s400 is much more than the T1, the T1 is almost instant, very fast quiet and super fun to have with you!

Joe

Good thing you point this out.

I had compared imaging-resource's images for other cameras but
concluded my eye couldn't make any difference. I'll look twice at
the S400-T1 comparison as they're both on my shortlist.

Finally some objective thing in this heated debate ! I guess T1's
sexyness creates a lot of emotion.

Thx

--
Joseph Albert
Bringing you the best in digital capture

 

[OlivierS]

Difference in hair resolution struck me a lot, whereas I couldn't find significant differences in the house.

I also would tend to disagree on the "resolution" test : the initial impression is indeed that T1 is much sharper. At second look however, this seems to be due to a white halo surrounding all black lines in T1. Would that be part of some Sony algorithm ? Makes images much sharper apparently.

The strange thing is that the same "sharp" effect is absent from the T1 macro picture. On that one there is an obvious (to me!!!) advantage to the S400. My impression is that the T1 macro pic is slightly OOF (see how the birds are softened/blurred), so maybe the whole discussion is invalid.

Anyway thanks for your most interesting postings. Also agree on the "shutter lag" T1 advantage.

 

[c3pio]

Hey, I think you answered the mystery why the T1 has greater
apparent resolution than the 717. I downloaded all the resolution
pics of the V1, P10, 828, etc. I noticed that the T1 has no
chromatic aberration in the resolution chart owing to its slow F2.8
lens. This gives it more apparent resolution. The 717 has CA and
not much whitening
outline giving it lower apparent resolution. The V1, P10 has
moderate CA and white outlines giving it moderate resolution.
When I opened the 828 pic, I noticed horrendous CA, some
sharing the same size as the black lines. But it has greater
resolution owing to its 8 mp based compared to the rest which
is only 5 mp.

p

Difference in hair resolution struck me a lot, whereas I couldn't
find significant differences in the house.

I also would tend to disagree on the "resolution" test : the
initial impression is indeed that T1 is much sharper. At second
look however, this seems to be due to a white halo surrounding all
black lines in T1. Would that be part of some Sony algorithm ?
Makes images much sharper apparently.

The strange thing is that the same "sharp" effect is absent from
the T1 macro picture. On that one there is an obvious (to me!!!)
advantage to the S400. My impression is that the T1 macro pic is
slightly OOF (see how the birds are softened/blurred), so maybe the
whole discussion is invalid.

Anyway thanks for your most interesting postings. Also agree on
the "shutter lag" T1 advantage.

 

[OlivierS]

Yeah, clearly there's quite a lot of sharpening artifacts on Dave's resolution chart. I remember gho or Eric Ryder posted something about selecting "low sharpening" and post-processing in PS.

I'd like to have more experienced advice on this - in my newbie eye the S400 has not much less resolution (if any), it's just that the T1 resolution chart looks crisper due to that white halo.

So are we back to square 1? I mean: other posters don't trust Dave's outdoor pics (right, they're not 100% comparable), I suspect the macro is very slightly OOF, and now we'd like to play with settings even with these 'standard' charts...

Help Phiiiiiiiiiil !

 

[c3pio]

I have finally acquired evidence by comparison shots with one
of similar category that the T1 can blur subtle contrast. I did
the tests on daytime shot at cloudy and sunny sky. The cloudy
scene difference is much worse than sunny scene because
cloudy scene has many subtle low contrast.

If I post the pics, it may discourage some would be T1 buyers. I
want them to look at it themselves. I don't want to discourage
them esp since the use of the T1 is not for utmost image quality
but for all day carrying. And there is nothing more saddening than
knowing that they would miss important shots (such as
suspected Al Qaeda activities) and didn't avert what could be
prevented (terrorist activies in the level of Madrid for example).

That said. I'd buy a contax sl300R t* and because I finally
understand the T1 shortcomings (which is the purpose why I
posted this thread... to learn of its objective nature).. I won't
regret buying the contax knowing full well all miniature
sub-compacts has tradeoffs in some image quality.

Goodluck to all T1 owners.
"It's better than no pictures" is the T1 motto.

p

Yeah, clearly there's quite a lot of sharpening artifacts on Dave's
resolution chart. I remember gho or Eric Ryder posted something
about selecting "low sharpening" and post-processing in PS.

I'd like to have more experienced advice on this - in my newbie eye
the S400 has not much less resolution (if any), it's just that the
T1 resolution chart looks crisper due to that white halo.

So are we back to square 1? I mean: other posters don't trust
Dave's outdoor pics (right, they're not 100% comparable), I suspect
the macro is very slightly OOF, and now we'd like to play with
settings even with these 'standard' charts...

Help Phiiiiiiiiiil !