Switching from d90 do d610

[blwegrzyn]

Anyone here has examples of photos taken by d90 and d610 side by side ?

I will try to take some this weekend.

 

[Brev00]

Even accidentally, you will get better ressults with the D610. It is not just full frame, it is also 5 years newer. Whether you get 'wow' images like those found in magazines, well, I am afraid, that is up to you. There have probably been many 'wow'photos taken with D90's. I would expect you to find more satisfaction with the move if you were looking for specific advantages like the ability to keep shooting when the light drops. But, if you are looking to improve stuff the D90 should be able to handle, then I would look closer at my technique or, possibly, the calibration of my gear. I keep shooting with my D90 as I look at full frame and have sent my two main lenses in for adjustment with excellent results. Get the most out of what you have as you ponder the move.

 

[paulski66]

Thx for the replies. If there is no big impact the I don't see a need to through away any money. It would just be for the sake of having full frame and updated gear. I also believe that composition is the key component of photography, but many times I feel like my photos could be little sharper. When i do look at photos at different magazines or from popular photographers on many website, I am amazed of how sharp they are. I only use light room for the post processing and maybe that is just not enough or maybe I am not good enough in post processing or shooting technique. But in general with 50mm f/1.4 prime and 55-200mm f/4 I get the most satisfying photos.

The ability to lift detail out of the shadows is worth the upgrade alone in my opinion. The autofocus is more accurate for moving subjects. Higher ISO shooting, cleaner files, more detail. There is nothing wrong with the D90, I used mine for years & still own it. But there is a noticeable difference in what each can produce.

Jim

+1

When I owned a d90, I would need to work to get usable ISO 800 files from it; nail exposure, clean up the files in post processing, and even then I was sometimes not satisfied.

With the d600, I don't even bother cleaning up ISO 800 files.

I'm very happy with my decision to upgrade. That said, the sensor won't magically give you sharper images. Will it capture more detail, give you more pixels to work with? Yes.

 

[wasserball]

Anyone here has examples of photos taken by d90 and d610 side by side ?

I do, but you will have to wait a while I am free tonight. D90 vs D600 (same sensor as the D610)

I will use the same 50mm f1.8G lens for comparison. Granted, they will not have the same view angle due to different size sensors.

 

[Rservello]

Thx for the replies. If there is no big impact the I don't see a need to through away any money. It would just be for the sake of having full frame and updated gear. I also believe that composition is the key component of photography, but many times I feel like my photos could be little sharper. When i do look at photos at different magazines or from popular photographers on many website, I am amazed of how sharp they are. I only use light room for the post processing and maybe that is just not enough or maybe I am not good enough in post processing or shooting technique. But in general with 50mm f/1.4 prime and 55-200mm f/4 I get the most satisfying photos.

The ability to lift detail out of the shadows is worth the upgrade alone in my opinion. The autofocus is more accurate for moving subjects. Higher ISO shooting, cleaner files, more detail. There is nothing wrong with the D90, I used mine for years & still own it. But there is a noticeable difference in what each can produce.

Jim

+1

When I owned a d90, I would need to work to get usable ISO 800 files from it; nail exposure, clean up the files in post processing, and even then I was sometimes not satisfied.

With the d600, I don't even bother cleaning up ISO 800 files.

I'm very happy with my decision to upgrade. That said, the sensor won't magically give you sharper images. Will it capture more detail, give you more pixels to work with? Yes.

Very true. I tried to stay at 400 and below on my d90. My d600 shoots at 5000 like how my d90 shot 800.

 

[AllOtherNamesTaken]

I plan to sell my d90 with all dx lenses and leave only 35mm and 50mm FX lenses and use them with d610. What i wonder is if the D610 will give me sharper images compared to d90? Would this be like "OMG" difference or not much? I cannot see too much on the example photos as there are no similar photos there. The studio comparison tool does not have images for d90.

thx

Sharper? Probably not too noticeable. Any camera focused perfectly through high end glass will be equally sharp. The resolution may be different though, allowing you to print much larger, or putting more pixels in any given area of the photo. The one exception perhaps being cameras with no AA filtering, which are marginally sharper at wide apertures.

I moved from a D300 to D600 and I definitely had an "OMG" moment when I got the files home on my computer above ISO 800. The usable ISO ceiling is so much higher, the center focus point can lock on in near darkness, unbelievable DR, and the WB was bang on almost every single shot under horrible lighting conditions. Some of my best photos were taken with my D300, I loved that camera, but I am so glad I moved to the D600.

 

[blwegrzyn]

Even accidentally, you will get better ressults with the D610. It is not just full frame, it is also 5 years newer. Whether you get 'wow' images like those found in magazines, well, I am afraid, that is up to you. There have probably been many 'wow'photos taken with D90's. I would expect you to find more satisfaction with the move if you were looking for specific advantages like the ability to keep shooting when the light drops. But, if you are looking to improve stuff the D90 should be able to handle, then I would look closer at my technique or, possibly, the calibration of my gear. I keep shooting with my D90 as I look at full frame and have sent my two main lenses in for adjustment with excellent results. Get the most out of what you have as you ponder the move.

 

[blwegrzyn]

big big big differance - get it or a refurbushed d600.

dx is dead

When i look at samples the d610 image is definitely sharper.

The proportional scale on the photo looks much better on the d610.

 

[wasserball]

OK, I did it. D600 24mp vs D90 12mp. No post processing, shot in P mode, at ISO 200 and ISO 1600. For what it's worth.

 

[Rservello]

OK, I did it. D600 24mp vs D90 12mp. No post processing, shot in P mode, at ISO 200 and ISO 1600. For what it's worth.

Not a good test. Using an auto mode means the exposures will be different. The only way to do a proper test is to use manual and use the same, properly exposed settings.

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[blwegrzyn]

OK, I did it. D600 24mp vs D90 12mp. No post processing, shot in P mode, at ISO 200 and ISO 1600. For what it's worth.

Not a good test. Using an auto mode means the exposures will be different. The only way to do a proper test is to use manual and use the same, properly exposed settings.

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agreed, would be much better to see the difference with same settings

 

[rhlpetrus]

I have used DX since 2007 and plan to get an FF Nikon at some point. I expect improvements in most areas, and certainly from 12 to 24 mp you will see more detail from a D610 at 100%, given equiv lenses. I also expect color and DR improvements, if you use RAW and good conversion routines.

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[jtra]

Anyone here has examples of photos taken by d90 and d610 side by side ?

I have these two pairs of pictures to compare:
http://jtra.cz/foto/20130827-d600-vs-d90/

I captured that in my testing of borrowed D600 and my D90. D600 has really same image quality as D610 except that D610 has weaker AA filter so it may be a bit sharper (unlikely to be perceptible) at cost of producing more moire in case image patterns that align with matrix of pixels. D600 has already weak AA filter so it is not immune to moire.

D90 shots are with Sigma 30/1.4 DC HSM (older than current Art model).
D600 shots are with Sigma 50/1.4 DG HSM. As Sigma 50 is actually about 47mm and Sigma 30 is about 31mm so angle of view is almost same.

Outdoor (actually out of window) picture is at lowest normal ISO which is 200 for D90 and 100 for D600. Apertures are f/5.6 (D600) and f/4.0 (D90) so that there would be same DoF for both. I think I have not used tripod, but speed was fast enough.

Indoor picture is high ISO - similar DoF comparison. D90 has ISO 1600 f/1.4, D600 has ISO 3200 f/2. Autofocus may have focused at slightly different plane as it is usual with real world 3D objects.

There are RAWs to play with. Beware while comparing JPGs that D90 was in sRGB while D600 was in AdobeRGB mode. I'm also unsure if picture modes and JPG sharpening levels were same for both. JPGs include EXIFs.

I don't have any other DSLR than D90 now, so I cannot perform new tests.

Thare are more differences than image quality. For example AF coverage area of D90 is better although D600/D610 has moire AF points. See here: http://jtra.cz/stuff/essays/d610-vs-d800/viewfinder-af-coverage-comparison-d90-d600-d800.png

 

[Brev00]

Even accidentally, you will get better ressults with the D610. It is not just full frame, it is also 5 years newer. Whether you get 'wow' images like those found in magazines, well, I am afraid, that is up to you. There have probably been many 'wow'photos taken with D90's. I would expect you to find more satisfaction with the move if you were looking for specific advantages like the ability to keep shooting when the light drops. But, if you are looking to improve stuff the D90 should be able to handle, then I would look closer at my technique or, possibly, the calibration of my gear. I keep shooting with my D90 as I look at full frame and have sent my two main lenses in for adjustment with excellent results. Get the most out of what you have as you ponder the move.

 

[wasserball]

OK, I did it. D600 24mp vs D90 12mp. No post processing, shot in P mode, at ISO 200 and ISO 1600. For what it's worth.

Not a good test. Using an auto mode means the exposures will be different. The only way to do a proper test is to use manual and use the same, properly exposed settings.

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I don't care if you use it or not. Once in a while if I need a quick shot, I shoot P. Since both cameras have P, then it should be one valid comparison. I wasn't going to spend a whole lots of time on this. It is like one car has 5 spd auto while another car has 6 spd auto transmission, and you tell me it's not a valid test which car gets to 60mph fastest.

 

[Rservello]

OK, I did it. D600 24mp vs D90 12mp. No post processing, shot in P mode, at ISO 200 and ISO 1600. For what it's worth.

Not a good test. Using an auto mode means the exposures will be different. The only way to do a proper test is to use manual and use the same, properly exposed settings.

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I don't care if you use it or not. Once in a while if I need a quick shot, I shoot P. Since both cameras have P, then it should be one valid comparison. I wasn't going to spend a whole lots of time on this. It is like one car has 5 spd auto while another car has 6 spd auto transmission, and you tell me it's not a valid test which car gets to 60mph fastest.

It would take, what 2 seconds longer to set exposure? It's invalid because they aren't exposed the same. How can you compare two differently exposed images?

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[paul2009]

Thx for the replies. If there is no big impact the I don't see a need to through away any money. It would just be for the sake of having full frame and updated gear. I also believe that composition is the key component of photography, but many times I feel like my photos could be little sharper. When i do look at photos at different magazines or from popular photographers on many website, I am amazed of how sharp they are. I only use light room for the post processing and maybe that is just not enough or maybe I am not good enough in post processing or shooting technique. But in general with 50mm f/1.4 prime and 55-200mm f/4 I get the most satisfying photos.

The ability to lift detail out of the shadows is worth the upgrade alone in my opinion. The autofocus is more accurate for moving subjects. Higher ISO shooting, cleaner files, more detail. There is nothing wrong with the D90, I used mine for years & still own it. But there is a noticeable difference in what each can produce.

Jim

Mu understanding was that these 24?MP sensors do not yield to as much PP as earlier models, that pulling detail out of the shadow would not be as effective on a D7100 and D610 as on a D90, despite other obvious technical advantages of those cameras. I'm told the files degrade much more quickly than on D90 so if you're relying on a lot of PP, stay where you are.

 

[Rservello]

OK, as promised, here goes.

D90 ISO 200

D600 ISO 200

D90 ISO 400

D600 ISO 400

D90 ISO 800

D600 ISO 800

D90 ISO 1600

D600 ISO 1600

D90 ISO 3200

D600 ISO 3200

D90 ISO 5000 (sorry, that's the limit)

D600 ISO 6400

And for a bonus:

D600 ISO 12800

All shot with the same 50mm 1.4G Nikkor lens. As you can see, there isn't much difference at low ISO. They both produce almost identical, beautiful images. But the D600 destroys the D90 at medium and high ISO.

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[JF69]

Exposure differences make this an invalid test.

A big thanks for doing this, just the same.

Could you repeat it using the exact same settings please?

 

[wasserball]

OK, I did it. D600 24mp vs D90 12mp. No post processing, shot in P mode, at ISO 200 and ISO 1600. For what it's worth.

Not a good test. Using an auto mode means the exposures will be different. The only way to do a proper test is to use manual and use the same, properly exposed settings.

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I don't care if you use it or not. Once in a while if I need a quick shot, I shoot P. Since both cameras have P, then it should be one valid comparison. I wasn't going to spend a whole lots of time on this. It is like one car has 5 spd auto while another car has 6 spd auto transmission, and you tell me it's not a valid test which car gets to 60mph fastest.

It would take, what 2 seconds longer to set exposure? It's invalid because they aren't exposed the same. How can you compare two differently exposed images?

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Hey guys, ignore the post if you want. I did a favor, and I don't have the time to test in manual o. I did not planned out the comparistion. I was in a hurry, but I wanted to get something out. Use the test if you want, if not, then go away. I didn't do this test to argue with you whether it is valid or not. I knew ahead of time it's going to subject to opinions. I have no time for this. I did someone a favor. So, if you can't find any usefulness, that's fine with me. I will not continue with any conversation here. Do I fee offended? YES. It's like someone did you a favor, and you say that not the way to do it. That's rude. At least you could havae said, thank you.