So, does PRIME live up to expectations?

[Quietly Confident]

I'm not so sure about that. The GX-10 doesn't have .pef files
(only .dng) and it could well have a different image processing
engine n it. After all, Samsung have made plenty of cameras prior
to the GX and PRIME might have been something that Pentax wished to

The Samsung does have .pef files and from what I have read in the
manual it is the same camera as the k10d with only a few cosmetic
differences on the back. I will be loaning a GX10 next week for a
couple of weeks so I downloaded both manuals to see what the
differences are and I think even the manual is mostly lifted from
Pentax-certain parts word for word. The GX10 manual doesn't mention
'prime' but as has been said it is a Pentax acronym and they also
call their antishake OPS as in the compacts that have it. Their
lenses also appear to be clones of Pentax lenses but with a
different coloured ring and a different name. Interestingly Jessops
are advertising the GX10 with 18-55 lens for £599 and the K10d with
18-55 for £849.

Sometimes I wonder if Jessops are deliberately trying to destroy
the Pentax brand in the UK. From the responses of their salesmen
and the (non) promotion of Pentax in their main store in London,
not to mention their extreme pricing of all Pentax gear, one has to
wonder.
Its a real problem because Jessops, sadly, sell more cameras in the
UK than all other retailers put together, having bought most of
them out. The monopolies commission failed to register any
interest. But sadly they are also largely responsible for inflated
high street pricing as well.

His Masters Voice?

 

[vortout]

I forgot to attach the link.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1036&thread=21186674
--
Never Say Never

 

[rennie12]

*isteve wrote:

George I must thank you on behalf of all fanboys for helping us see the errors of our ways. How blessed we are to have the benefit of your wisdom and eloquent delivery to let us see how cr*p everything really is. What would we do without you, eh?

Actually - I see this as a pretty good sign for Pentax. Both the major players - Canon and Nikon - forums are well known for posters who specialize in provocative posts - (I'm not sure they could be called "trolls" because their posts are usually on subjects of genuine interest in the forum, just provocative).

I think it is interesting Pentax seems to have acquired a few. Seems to me to reinforce the movement of Pentax, with the new K series, toward the big leagues !

Real trolls - like first-time posters who claim things like "All the new K series are junk and should be returned" etc - are much less interesting, since their posts are so obviously intended ONLY to annoy people.

Just me dimes worth. Bill Wilson

 

[Quietly Confident]

*isteve wrote:

George I must thank you on behalf of all fanboys for helping us see the errors of our ways. How blessed we are to have the benefit of your wisdom and eloquent delivery to let us see how cr*p everything really is. What would we do without you, eh?

Actually - I see this as a pretty good sign for Pentax. Both the
major players - Canon and Nikon - forums are well known for posters
who specialize in provocative posts - (I'm not sure they could be
called "trolls" because their posts are usually on subjects of
genuine interest in the forum, just provocative).

I think it is interesting Pentax seems to have acquired a few.
Seems to me to reinforce the movement of Pentax, with the new K
series, toward the big leagues !

Real trolls - like first-time posters who claim things like "All
the new K series are junk and should be returned" etc - are much
less interesting, since their posts are so obviously intended ONLY
to annoy people.

Just me dimes worth. Bill Wilson

Just to clarify things - there are only two consumers in the UK who currently have the K10D - and one of those is Steve.

The two K10's were provided thanks to the assistance of Pentax UK - and I, for one, find it entirely unsurprising that the two people who own them seem to be struggling to find enough adjectives to extol their virtues.

If I were Harriet Beecher-Stowe, I'd be thinking 'House Boys'

 

[Joe Barnhart]

Now I understand.

 

[jaad75]

I could easily be wrong - but I don't recall Samsung mentioning 22
bit A/D conversion.

It was mentioned couple of times, but not in Samsung marketing materials - strange indeed...
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/GX10/GX10A.HTM

 

[Quietly Confident]

Now I understand.

Not at all! - if i get one, I'll buy one in the usual way, and Pentax UK can find someone else to sweep their porch steps.

My price would be a tad higher than that

 

[kristian2000]

I think it's unsurprising also, it's a great camera.

The two K10's were provided thanks to the assistance of Pentax UK

• and I, for one, find it entirely unsurprising that the two people

who own them seem to be struggling to find enough adjectives to
extol their virtues.

If I were Harriet Beecher-Stowe, I'd be thinking 'House Boys'

--



Kristian Farren
http://kf3.net

 

[*isteve]

Just to clarify things - there are only two consumers in the UK who
currently have the K10D - and one of those is Steve.

Indeed, and all bought and paid for in the usual way. We got ahead of the queue is all. I already had one on pre-order and was not expecting the offer but I would be stupid to turn it down, no?

The two K10's were provided thanks to the assistance of Pentax UK

• and I, for one, find it entirely unsurprising that the two people

who own them seem to be struggling to find enough adjectives to
extol their virtues.

If I were Harriet Beecher-Stowe, I'd be thinking 'House Boys'

If I were myself I would be thinking sour grapes.
--
Steve
Measurebating makes you short sighted.
http://www.pbase.com/steve_jacob

 

[Quietly Confident]

I think it's unsurprising also, it's a great camera.

However, all this fan-noize from someone who received their own K10D early courtesy of Pentax UK inevitably leads to thoughts of Uncle Tom's Camera.

Brace yourself for a deluge of highly favourable K10D reviews from he happy couple - there's going to be more Tomming than from an oversexed cat released from six months quarantine!

 

[*isteve]

I think it's unsurprising also, it's a great camera.

However, all this fan-noize from someone who received their own
K10D early courtesy of Pentax UK inevitably leads to thoughts of
Uncle Tom's Camera.

Brace yourself for a deluge of highly favourable K10D reviews from
he happy couple - there's going to be more Tomming than from an
oversexed cat released from six months quarantine!

Please dont judge us all by your own standards.

You are simply making it obvious that you are just a mean minded cynic without anything good to say about anyone or anything.
--
Steve
Measurebating makes you short sighted.
http://www.pbase.com/steve_jacob

 

[Quietly Confident]

I think it's unsurprising also, it's a great camera.

However, all this fan-noize from someone who received their own
K10D early courtesy of Pentax UK inevitably leads to thoughts of
Uncle Tom's Camera.

Brace yourself for a deluge of highly favourable K10D reviews from
he happy couple - there's going to be more Tomming than from an
oversexed cat released from six months quarantine!

Please dont judge us all by your own standards.
You are simply making it obvious that you are just a mean minded
cynic without anything good to say about anyone or anything.

So, Pentax UK bend over backwards to suplly pre-release cameras to vocal critics, do they?

First rule of dog training is, never let it off the leash unless you're sure it's obedient.

Shame about Mr Pixel being bitten, wasn't it?

 

[*isteve]

I think it's unsurprising also, it's a great camera.

However, all this fan-noize from someone who received their own
K10D early courtesy of Pentax UK inevitably leads to thoughts of
Uncle Tom's Camera.

Brace yourself for a deluge of highly favourable K10D reviews from
he happy couple - there's going to be more Tomming than from an
oversexed cat released from six months quarantine!

Please dont judge us all by your own standards.
You are simply making it obvious that you are just a mean minded
cynic without anything good to say about anyone or anything.

So, Pentax UK bend over backwards to suplly pre-release cameras to
vocal critics, do they?

They supplied it to Richard actually, he offered it to me for a couple of days or did you not read my post?

First rule of dog training is, never let it off the leash unless
you're sure it's obedient.

George, you have way overstepped the mark and are now being personally insulting.

Shame about Mr Pixel being bitten, wasn't it?

Since MPixel is a happy 5D user and has been for some time, I fail to understand the relevance.
--
Steve
Measurebating makes you short sighted.
http://www.pbase.com/steve_jacob

 

[kristian2000]

I think you have a legitimate complaint regarding Pentax UK, I probably wouldn't be a Pentax owner if I lived in the UK, I can't believe that they still haven't released the K10 in the UK.

But I think Pentax the camera company has improved leaps and bounds, the K10D is the camera that everybody is talking about, and most importantly it seems many features of the K10D were developed out of listening to what end-users wanted. Don't believe me? just try taking the eyecup off of a K10, you need a freaking crowbar!

think

I think it's unsurprising also, it's a great camera.

However, all this fan-noize from someone who received their own
K10D early courtesy of Pentax UK inevitably leads to thoughts of
Uncle Tom's Camera.

Brace yourself for a deluge of highly favourable K10D reviews from
he happy couple - there's going to be more Tomming than from an
oversexed cat released from six months quarantine!

Please dont judge us all by your own standards.
You are simply making it obvious that you are just a mean minded
cynic without anything good to say about anyone or anything.

So, Pentax UK bend over backwards to suplly pre-release cameras to
vocal critics, do they?

First rule of dog training is, never let it off the leash unless
you're sure it's obedient.

Shame about Mr Pixel being bitten, wasn't it?

--



Kristian Farren
http://kf3.net

 

[Quietly Confident]

I think it's unsurprising also, it's a great camera.

However, all this fan-noize from someone who received their own
K10D early courtesy of Pentax UK inevitably leads to thoughts of
Uncle Tom's Camera.

Brace yourself for a deluge of highly favourable K10D reviews from
he happy couple - there's going to be more Tomming than from an
oversexed cat released from six months quarantine!

Please dont judge us all by your own standards.
You are simply making it obvious that you are just a mean minded
cynic without anything good to say about anyone or anything.

So, Pentax UK bend over backwards to suplly pre-release cameras to
vocal critics, do they?

They supplied it to Richard actually, he offered it to me for a
couple of days or did you not read my post?

Ahhhh, yes......Richard!.......

First rule of dog training is, never let it off the leash unless
you're sure it's obedient.

George, you have way overstepped the mark and are now being
personally insulting.

So get me banned.

Shame about Mr Pixel being bitten, wasn't it?

Since MPixel is a happy 5D user and has been for some time, I fail
to understand the relevance.

I felt extremely sorry for Mr P - if you didn't see the thread, never mind.

Suffice it to say that I would never have rounded on an erstwhile ally - no matter what the Barrow Boys demanded in exchange for a camera.

 

[*isteve]

George, you have way overstepped the mark and are now being
personally insulting.

So get me banned.

Why? An apology would do perfectly well and if you cant bring yourself to make one I think your spiteful little tirade will do your credibilty far more harm than a ban, which hasnt exactly stopped you in the past has it?

Shame about Mr Pixel being bitten, wasn't it?

Since MPixel is a happy 5D user and has been for some time, I fail
to understand the relevance.

I felt extremely sorry for Mr P - if you didn't see the thread,
never mind.

No I didnt see the thread you are refering to. Where is it and what on earth does it have to do with me?

Suffice it to say that I would never have rounded on an erstwhile
ally - no matter what the Barrow Boys demanded in exchange for a
camera.

You got me there. Have no idea what you are talking about. Please enlighten me. Cant remember any demands either.

--
Steve
Measurebating makes you short sighted.
http://www.pbase.com/steve_jacob

 

[Quietly Confident]

George, you have way overstepped the mark and are now being
personally insulting.

So get me banned.

Why? An apology would do perfectly well and if you cant bring
yourself to make one I think your spiteful little tirade will do
your credibilty far more harm than a ban, which hasnt exactly
stopped you in the past has it?

It might be worth pointing out that it was you who instigated this little spat.

I merely made some reasonable observations on the K10 - which you were perfectly at liberty to challenge.

But you simply couldn't resist an attempt at ridicule, could you?

So, if any apologies are in the offing, I'm all ears.....

Shame about Mr Pixel being bitten, wasn't it?

Since MPixel is a happy 5D user and has been for some time, I fail
to understand the relevance.

I felt extremely sorry for Mr P - if you didn't see the thread,
never mind.

No I didnt see the thread you are refering to. Where is it and what
on earth does it have to do with me?

Suffice it to say that I would never have rounded on an erstwhile
ally - no matter what the Barrow Boys demanded in exchange for a
camera.

You got me there. Have no idea what you are talking about. Please
enlighten me. Cant remember any demands either.

So, your review of the K10D is going to be completely mpartial, critical where neccessary, and highly objective?

Good-O

I look forward to reading it while I'm waiting for Santa to struggle down the chimney.

 

[Don Allison]

No good stuff here, time to move on...
--



'Nothing could-be-finah-than-to-be-in-Carolina-in-the-morninnnnnn...'

 

[*isteve]

George, you have way overstepped the mark and are now being
personally insulting.

So get me banned.

Why? An apology would do perfectly well and if you cant bring
yourself to make one I think your spiteful little tirade will do
your credibilty far more harm than a ban, which hasnt exactly
stopped you in the past has it?

It might be worth pointing out that it was you who instigated
this little spat.

Really?

I merely made some reasonable observations on the K10 - which you
were perfectly at liberty to challenge.

Indeed I did. It was your dig about those of us who found good things to say about the IQ that I responded to in kind.

But you simply couldn't resist an attempt at ridicule, could you?

Normally I leave that to you, you are after all the forum expert.

So, if any apologies are in the offing, I'm all ears.....

Holding your breath too I hope....

So, your review of the K10D is going to be completely mpartial,
critical where neccessary, and highly objective?

What review? I already did one several weeks ago. Mentioned nothing then that others have not confirmed since good and bad. Have no intention of doing any more, I'm happy just taking pictures. There are plenty of folks saying complimentary things and doing tests without my help.
I'm sure Phil will do his normal stirling job too.
So luckily my opinion is not very material one way or the other, is it?
--
Steve
Measurebating makes you short sighted.
http://www.pbase.com/steve_jacob

 

[*isteve]

Indeed I'm done.
Bed time.

No good stuff here, time to move on...
--



'Nothing could-be-finah-than-to-be-in-Carolina-in-the-morninnnnnn...'

--
Steve
Measurebating makes you short sighted.
http://www.pbase.com/steve_jacob