So disappointed with the DP1 after using it.

[webshark3]

that's a really good one.

his opinion, "Well this one shoots more megapixels so you can print
bigger."

 

[SandyF]

I haven't read much of this thread (a few in between photo outings in Death Valley) but I'm puzzled how you can say my writings (that the units I saw/handled PMA2008 were not set up for people to take photos) 'vindicate' your story.
Best regards, Sandy
[email protected]
http://www.pbase.com/sandyfleischman
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sandyfleischmann (Death Valley SD14 photos)

 

[webshark3]

I am logged into Flickr, but don't see the option to view the the other sizes.

I know where to look, as I've been through this for another thread.

 

[yvind Strm]

This thread goes into Hall of Fame.
So entertaining! Just unbelievable.

It is not correct that a signed agreement is necessary for Sigma to
bring a suit and Sigma's failure to glue the card slot closed is
irrelevant. If the OP pulled tape off the card slot and understood
that doing so violated the conditions under which he was invited to
use the camera, then injured Sigma as a result, Sigma would have a
plausible legal action against him.

Can Sigma sue some of the regulars on this forum, who injure Sigma by their behaviour?

I would imagine that anyone in
the industry (and thus anyone at the show) understands perfectly well
that tape over a card slot is there precisely to prevent exactly what
transpired, the publication of poor images and the negative
commentary on these images. Now I agree that a lawsuit is unlikely,
and have said so from the beginning, but this is because the
publication is not likely to have causes Sigma any significant
injury. (Imagine if the review of images taken this way were instead
published by an official reviewer in a widely circulated magazine or
service, by an editor at DPReview, e.g., or at CNET; there I would
not be a bit surprised by a suit on the same facts.) In any case, the
OP says he did not remove any tape. Fine. Then that's a different
case, and I've said from the beginning that I didn't know the facts.

Could the OP sue those who have accused him of removing the tape?

I was simply responding to a posted question based on supposed facts.

--
Kind regards
Øyvind Strøm
http://www.pbase.com/norwegianviking/sd14
http://www.norwegianviking.smugmug.com
http://www.pbase.com/norwegianviking
SD-14 Compendium: http://www.foto.nordjylland.biz/SD14/SD-usertips.htm

 

[NarrBL]

What I did was let Flickr run a slide show, which at least blows the images up to screen size.

What I saw belies the failure language from our Nick, as they are sometimes blurry, and with the rest of the story could certainly support an impression of being shot while trying to be sly.

And, they are jpegs, with automatic lower quality, and where camera settings and white balance would make a considerable difference. It's pretty clear little or no attention was paid to these.

For evidence of what the camera really can do, even with the torture tests most are, Phil's gallery is the place to go.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=26639030

Regards,
Clive

I am logged into Flickr, but don't see the option to view the the
other sizes.

I know where to look, as I've been through this for another thread.

 

[Kai Griffin]

That is true. A very small number of evidently highly-strung individuals responded within this thread in a way which does not at all reflect my enjoyable experience with the Sigma group over the past year or so that I've dropped in from time to time. Many people seem to have become a little over-excited by the final arrival of this camera, and perhaps some have even lost sleep over it, which in turn rendered them a temporarily irrational. Mob mentality set in, and off it went. I note that most of them seem to have vanished now - perhaps they are finally getting that long-needed sleep.

But let's not tarnish the 80% of people who are actually interested
in learning more about the Dp1. The actions of a few nutjobs should
not ruin the rest.

 

[luvnozzy]

provided thus far.

what do you think?

i think that my canon a70 takes better photographs.

if you pay more than $250.00 for camera that renders those kinds of images then you've paid too much.

I read forums to find how equipment actually works from a user's
perspective. I had hoped to find Sigma users who would approach the
DP1 from the viewpoint of SLR shooters.

Instead, it's like a Scientology convention with people threatening
to sue over trivial matters and writing bizarre religious quotes
about the sin of peeling the forbidden tape. Corporations are not
your friend or your god.

In other threads on this forum I see people rave about clearly
mediocre samples. Not at all what I expected from the promise of a
full-size sensor. I hope Sigma gets it right, as it is a type of
camera I would certainly be interested in buying. But so far, I don't
think I would get an honest opinion in this forum.

 

[NickDavis]

Better yet, I should sue them for looking at my publicly-available photos without the common decency to ask personal permission first

 

[NickDavis]

Sandy, people are claiming that I "removed the tape" on the bottom of the camera to get the pictures. If you claim that the cameras didn't even turn on, then I evidently had even more magic up my sleeve than I was originally accused of.

Someone at Sigma put a camera on the display booth that probably shouldn't have been there. And I shot pictures with it. End of story.

 

[luvnozzy]

the larger sensor does not appear to offer any advantage.

what do you think?

i think that my canon a70 takes better photographs.

if you pay more than $250.00 for camera that renders those kinds of
images then you've paid too much.

I read forums to find how equipment actually works from a user's
perspective. I had hoped to find Sigma users who would approach the
DP1 from the viewpoint of SLR shooters.

Instead, it's like a Scientology convention with people threatening
to sue over trivial matters and writing bizarre religious quotes
about the sin of peeling the forbidden tape. Corporations are not
your friend or your god.

In other threads on this forum I see people rave about clearly
mediocre samples. Not at all what I expected from the promise of a
full-size sensor. I hope Sigma gets it right, as it is a type of
camera I would certainly be interested in buying. But so far, I don't
think I would get an honest opinion in this forum.

 

[Dominic Groß]

provided thus far.

what do you think?

i think that my canon a70 takes better photographs.

And I can paint better images with dog poo.
--
http://www.pbase.com/dgross

 

[NickDavis]

OK, here are direct links to the original-sized images:

I am logged into Flickr, but don't see the option to view the the
other sizes.

I know where to look, as I've been through this for another thread.

 

[SandyF]

I read forums to find how equipment actually works from a user's
perspective. I had hoped to find Sigma users who would approach the
DP1 from the viewpoint of SLR shooters.

I've been off the dpreview forum in/around Las Vegas/PMA and Death Valley post-PMA taking photos. I'll give you my perspective FWIW.

The DP1 is very appealing for a DSLR user. Surprisingly small and light and offering DSLR-quality output (photos to prints). DSLR-size sensor in a compact camera body. That's the summary.

How 'usable'? I deliberately shot my Sigma SD14 a lot in Las Vegas at 16.6mm (ie I set a lens to 17mm and kept it there like a prime) and maximum F4; PMA trade show hall, night shots in LV, indoors in LV, various ISOs, for example.

I hadn't intended to buy one immediately. But now knowing more about the DP1, I will as soon as available.
Best regards, Sandy
[email protected]
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sandyfleischmann (latest SD14 photos)
http://www.pbase.com/sandyfleischman

 

[luvnozzy]

i'm sure.

thank goodness for canon cmos sensors.

And I can paint better images with dog poo.

 

[SandyF]

My point, if not obvious, is that the 'public' was NOT taking photos and putting them online. That's what originated my comments above in this thread. I did not ask to use a camera with my own card, because it was obvious that the opportunity was not being offered at PMA to do so.
Best regards, Sandy
[email protected]
http://www.pbase.com/sandyfleischman
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sandyfleischmann

 

[NickDavis]

So you're telling me, that if you walked up to a booth, staffed by 6 Sigma people, and picked up a Dp1 that was fully-functional, with no tape sealing the memory-card door, that you would think to ask permission to shoot with the thing? In years past of shot every Canon DSLR with my own cards. I've shot point and shoots from almost every manufacturer with my own cards.

But I guess next time I'll ask permission.

 

[SandyF]

So you're telling me, that if you walked up to a booth, staffed by 6
Sigma people, and picked up a Dp1 that was fully-functional, with no
tape sealing the memory-card door, that you would think to ask
permission to shoot with the thing?

Yes

In years past of shot every Canon
DSLR with my own cards. I've shot point and shoots from almost every
manufacturer with my own cards.

But I guess next time I'll ask permission.

Best regards, Sandy
[email protected]
http://www.pbase.com/sandyfleischman
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sandyfleischmann (newest SD14 photos)

 

[Kai Griffin]

I think those are so genuinely appalling that it's best to just agree at this point that there is no point judging this camera's potential until it's "officially" released, or at least in production. I mean, who knows when that camera rolled off the assembly line; for all we know it could have been a recently failure before the good ones started to roll out. Or, this could indeed be the current state of the thing; we just don't know.

To be fair, I thought Phil Askey's samples were for the most part OK - they didn't totally stun me, but you could certainly see the sensor-size advantage with dynamic range, and overall potential. Anyway, before getting too "disappointed" with what you saw, I'd suggest at least reserving judgment until this camera materialises "for real", so to speak. If Sigma had the camera's little orifices taped up for most of the show, I guess that was for a good reason on their part, but it's hardly your fault that someone had removed the chastity belt from one of them before you turned up!

To Øyvind: Many thanks for your detailed reply about how aperture/shutter/iso settings are controlled. I was just about to reply directly to your post, but found this thread had just reached maximum size (mercifully, now it can die). So, I just re-edited this one Your point about coming to terms with the Foveon's quirks is a good one; I've seen enough in this group to appreciate that it can deliver when you get things right. Cheers!