Small sensors gather less light? Wrong!

The "level of illumination" (for a given scene illumination) is not governed by the distance from the lens to the sensor, it's governed by the f-number of the lens.

So, if you want the same light gathered and one sensor is twice as big (in area) as the other one, the smaller one needs an f-stop 1 stop faster.

This becomes a bit of a problem when comparing something like full-frame with something like a 2/3" sensor (a large sensor for a compact). To make up for the difference in sensor size, the 2/3" sensor needs 4 additional f-stops in the lens. So, that's f/0.35 for 2/3" when compared to full-frame at f1.4. Refractive lenses can't get better than f/0.5 and you probably know what getting anywhere near that would cost.

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Lee Jay
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at the actual focused focal plane level. A larger or smaller sensor is not the issue, its the efficiency of the actual physical individual photosite, every other thing being equal, smaller photosite tend to be less effective , that's what I would agree.

Take the Nikon D3s vs D3x, both having the same sensor form factor, while one is 12 MP and the other is 24, and we all know the actual imaging capability of the sensor to capture light ( not the image quality )

The same can be said for D700 vs D300/D300s, both 12 MP, both from nikon and their difference in sensor is mainly the size ( and all their electronics )

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  • Franka -
 
I think what you are trying to refer to is Aperture . Which is directly depend on the ratio between focal length and lenses diameter.

For example if you have 50mm F1 with register distance 40mm on a full frame if you want to modify the same lens to use with a smaller censor like 4/3 with an even bigger aperture. You need to adjust the lens to focus on new smaller area. Now the focal length is no longer 50mm maybe it become 30mm. But the lenses diameter is still the same so you have a larger aperture. Maybe 30mm F0.75 or something (I dont know the math about all this).

So yes what you are thinking is correct. And the lenses maker already apply this idea to lens design Noktor 50mm F0.95 is a good example.
Forgive me posting this here - it's not Sony specific, but I am a Sony user and it will get read more here than in some off-topic forum.

But, this is something I only thought about when waking up this morning. It's a universally accepted truth that small sensors gather less light than larger sensors and the former are therefore not as good in low light conditions, producing more noise in high ISO shots.

Everyone knows this, right? I mean it's obvious. The photocells are smaller and they can capture less photos in a given time compared to larger ones. Obviously.

But this is WRONG.

It would be true if the sensor was waved around in the air naked, but in a camera, it is not. The flaw in the paragraph above is that it should read "The photocells are smaller and they can capture less photos in a given time compared to larger ones, given the same level of illumination " And therein lies the flaw.

The amount of light gathered and available for the sensor is not governed by the sensor, it's governed by the lens . If you focus the light from the lens onto a smaller area, the intensity of light increases as the area gets smaller and smaller - ultimately like a magnifying glass in the sun with a spot that is so bright and hot that it burns paper. But all the light is still there, in the tiny spot. That tiny spot is "seeing" all the photons just as the larger magnifying glass lens front is "seeing" them.

Now, clearly if you put a Canon 50mm f/1.4 on the front of an APS-C sensor, in the focal plane, the APS-C sensor takes up less area than an full frame sensor, and so it is true in that case that the smaller sensor gets less of the light.

So my thoughts maybe true, but of only academic interest in a DSLR where things like the distance from the lens rear element to the focal plane are fixed and determined by the system. The smaller sensor sees less of the lens' light and there's not much can be done about it.

But in a proprietary system like a p&s, everything is up for grabs by the designers. It is perfectly possible to have an APS-C sensor gather exactly the same amount of light as a FF one, but focusing all the available light from the lens onto the sensor. The sensor size does not determine how much light the lens captures, the lens does! Putting a bigger sensor behind the glass would not capture any more light if the smaller sensor was already capturing all the light!

So, given the above is true (and thinking about it, clearly it is), I wonder why the small-sensors-gather-less-light myth persists?

Sure, small sensors enable the use of smaller and cheaper lenses, which then gather less light. But that does not need to be the case. Someone could quite easily design a p&s camera witha 1/1.7" sensor that performed just as well as a A900 in terms of light gathering. Practically speaking, you'd have a massive camera though, because the lens would have to be as large as a FF system lens. So the benefit of having a very small sensor is largely eliminated and there would be little point in the design.

And there maybe other practicle issues that influence sensor performance. I am not an expert, but I would not be surprised if heat in the sensor also produces noise and a smaller sensor will be less able to dissipate heat than a larger one.

But consider this. Canon (or whoever) come out with a new p&s and everyone immediately looks to see if the sensor is 1/2.3" or 1/1.7" in size, because they think the larger sensor must gather more light. But this is just plain wrong. Maybe the smaller sensor gathers more? Who knows. It depends on how the lens has been designed, not on the sensor size.

Bizarre, but true!
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