Skintone link

[spm]

yes, I did, and the only values which show are RGB -- no CMYK per
article and this discussion. How do you read & interpret the RGB
values?

Can you, in element...go to > image > mode then convert to CMYK?
You can read from there.
Try that,
S

 

[Thomas Mottl]

was this rude it fits perfect in this yellow discussion
where pictures now get measured by the amount of colours which are included
Where photography get reduced to values.
O tempora o mores
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[Gunter B]

I am not sure, but I think, Elements doesn´t support CMYK mode

yes, I did, and the only values which show are RGB -- no CMYK per
article and this discussion. How do you read & interpret the RGB
values?

Can you, in element...go to > image > mode then convert to CMYK?
You can read from there.
Try that,
S

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Cheers
Günter

http://swiss-landmarks.ch
http://www.pbase.com/ghoerdt

 

[Schnauzer]

This issue at hand is whether Sigma/Foveon images skew toward yellow. The article proposes a solution for cameras that skew toward magenta. The photos in the article don't look yellow, and they're not Sigma/Foveon photos, as far as we know. You're saying the photos in the article aren't yellow, therefore Sigma/Foveon images don't skew yellow. Non sequitur.

 

[Gunter B]

This issue at hand is whether Sigma/Foveon images skew toward
yellow. The article proposes a solution for cameras that skew
toward magenta. The photos in the article don't look yellow, and
they're not Sigma/Foveon photos, as far as we know. You're saying
the photos in the article aren't yellow, therefore Sigma/Foveon
images don't skew yellow. Non sequitur.

Huh? Who says such garbage besides you?
The world is spinning around Schnauzer, time to tell the pope.

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Cheers
Günter

http://swiss-landmarks.ch
http://www.pbase.com/ghoerdt

 

[Roland Karlsson]

...

.. obsessed with the yellow tone than any yellow whiner

Get over it. If you like the tones of your images - then thats whats count.

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Roland

BTW - the advice at smugsmug might be a good one. I shall try to make adjustments of skin tone in CMYK instead and see if it is a good choice.

 

[Gunter B]

...

.. obsessed with the yellow tone than any yellow whiner

Get over it. If you like the tones of your images - then thats
whats count.

Hey Roland, I have read more constructive posts of yours

BTW - the advice at smugsmug might be a good one. I shall try to
make adjustments of skin tone in CMYK instead and see if it is a
good choice.

It is. We do it in prepress since there IS digital prepress.

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Cheers
Günter

http://swiss-landmarks.ch
http://www.pbase.com/ghoerdt

 

[SandyF]

I am not so sure about that, folks.
Did somebody try Flash-WB in JPG-mode yet? If that should be OK,
it´s probably a SPP problem.

just took 3 examples, last 3 photos.
http://www.pbase.com/sandyfleischman/sd14_experiments

(dog was obligingly in the same spot as yesterday's photos.... )

 

[SandyF]

I added 3 additional, variations on settings of first RAW. jpegs are of course unedited, as shot. It's on the #950 RAW that I switched around settings. Note I still have not updated the firmware in this SD14 --
http://www.pbase.com/sandyfleischman/sd14_experiments

 

[Gunter B]

Thanks, Sandy, seems it hasn´t changed a bit since SD10.

Sigma, are you listening?

I am not so sure about that, folks.
Did somebody try Flash-WB in JPG-mode yet? If that should be OK,
it´s probably a SPP problem.

just took 3 examples, last 3 photos.
http://www.pbase.com/sandyfleischman/sd14_experiments

(dog was obligingly in the same spot as yesterday's photos.... )

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Günter

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[spm]

In that case just do this for element:
if R = 255 then C =0
G = 255 then M = 0
B = 255 then Y = 0

for percentage for example...if R = 220 then 220/255 = 0.862 and inversely C = 0.138 or 13.8% 14%
Do the same with M and Y.
S

yes, I did, and the only values which show are RGB -- no CMYK per
article and this discussion. How do you read & interpret the RGB
values?

Can you, in element...go to > image > mode then convert to CMYK?
You can read from there.
Try that,
S

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Cheers
Günter

http://swiss-landmarks.ch
http://www.pbase.com/ghoerdt

 

[SandyF]

Seng, Gunter, I can't find those CMYKs anywhere in PSE3, so I'll try this method and report back later. Printed out for further study, LOL. Must eat lunch &then get some work accomplished....
Tnx, Sandy

 

[Gunter B]

In that case just do this for element:
if R = 255 then C =0
G = 255 then M = 0
B = 255 then Y = 0
for percentage for example...if R = 220 then 220/255 = 0.862 and
inversely C = 0.138 or 13.8% 14%
Do the same with M and Y.
S

Well, it´s not quite that easy.

In the common PS CMYK-profiles, CMYK is always higher than Y+M because equal values would result in too warm prints. That has to do with the offset process and print colors.

For example, RGB = 200/200/200 is 25% C and 18% Y+M,
RGB=100/100/100 is 64% C and 49% Y+M, + 20% K

based on Euroscale profile.

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Cheers
Günter

http://swiss-landmarks.ch
http://www.pbase.com/ghoerdt

 

[Roland Karlsson]

Hey Roland, I have read more constructive posts of yours

Me too

But hey. I don't think being bothered with yellow skin whiners is constructive either. And ... I hope you take that constructive. Because I really mean it. I think it is a good advice not being upset when someone don't like your photo gear. Let them don't like it!

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Roland

 

[spm]

Hey Roland, I have read more constructive posts of yours

Me too

But hey. I don't think being bothered with yellow skin whiners is
constructive either. And ... I hope you take that constructive.
Because I really mean it. I think it is a good advice not being
upset when someone don't like your photo gear. Let them don't like
it!

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Roland

Hi Roland,

Contructively, I don't think that most anyone here (me included) are not mind anyone who does not like our gear. It is the one that would yelling repeatedly and irrationally with intention of disruptive and pushing their opinion and taste on others to push their own bias is what bothering most of us.

Let's face it, one would think that one buy a camera for it's strength and that complimenting their photography style. If our gear does not fit any individuals style, then what is a problem. Go buy something else that fits, right? no problem here.

S

 

[spm]

In that case just do this for element:
if R = 255 then C =0
G = 255 then M = 0
B = 255 then Y = 0
for percentage for example...if R = 220 then 220/255 = 0.862 and
inversely C = 0.138 or 13.8% 14%
Do the same with M and Y.
S

Well, it´s not quite that easy.

In the common PS CMYK-profiles, CMYK is always higher than Y+M
because equal values would result in too warm prints. That has to
do with the offset process and print colors.

For example, RGB = 200/200/200 is 25% C and 18% Y+M,
RGB=100/100/100 is 64% C and 49% Y+M, + 20% K

based on Euroscale profile.

Thank you Gunter...I had not consider the K and for printing factor...I would recommend anyone who wants to do serious pinting and post processing might want to get Photoshop and get the monitor calibrated (ahem...speaking of which, I need to calibrate mines)
S

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Cheers
Günter

http://swiss-landmarks.ch
http://www.pbase.com/ghoerdt

 

[SandyF]

the problem as I see it are the generalities such as "everyone knows" that "Sigmas" [sic, SD?] can't take photos of .................. [fill in the blanks du jour, ie today will it be people, action, low light, or maybe animals?] or take "yellow" photos or...... again, criticism du jour, when there are a bunch of new SD14 users (including me) adapting to the cameras and processing.

I got relatively mad (for me) whe we cannot even constructively discuss and show examples without the trolly types exclaiming about the bad photos they see "everywhere."

I've seen lots of "Sigma users think their photos look okay" [snicker, snicker] type posts. Just like the guys who "correct" Gunter, who works professionally with printing color and press. And you wonder why Sigma users sometimes counter this stuff? Perception can create its own reality o the Internet --
Best regards, Sandy
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http://www.pbase.com/sandyfleischman
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sandyfleischmann (most of my SD14s)

 

[Roland Karlsson]

Contructively, I don't think that most anyone here (me included)
are not mind anyone who does not like our gear. It is the one that
would yelling repeatedly and irrationally with intention of
disruptive and pushing their opinion and taste on others to push
their own bias is what bothering most of us.
Let's face it, one would think that one buy a camera for it's
strength and that complimenting their photography style. If our
gear does not fit any individuals style, then what is a problem. Go
buy something else that fits, right? no problem here.

S

Hey S - not so much yel(low)ing here I think

Hey - I don't want to make this thread 150 just because you want to disagree with me It is more than enough that I disagree with you Ehem ... not that much really.

Lets do something more ... ehem .. constructive

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Roland

 

[Roland Karlsson]

Yeah maybe

But still - a very small percentage of the world "knows" that Foveon X3 sux. I would guess that less than a dosen or two on this planet "knows" that Sigma is bad for your skin.

It is of no importance whatsoever IMHO.

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Roland

 

[spm]

Contructively, I don't think that most anyone here (me included)
are not mind anyone who does not like our gear. It is the one that
would yelling repeatedly and irrationally with intention of
disruptive and pushing their opinion and taste on others to push
their own bias is what bothering most of us.
Let's face it, one would think that one buy a camera for it's
strength and that complimenting their photography style. If our
gear does not fit any individuals style, then what is a problem. Go
buy something else that fits, right? no problem here.

S

Hey S - not so much yel(low)ing here I think

Hey - I don't want to make this thread 150 just because you want to
disagree with me It is more than enough that I disagree with you
Ehem ... not that much really.

Now now Roland...where is the spirit?......that's what the dpr isn't about?...disagreement is always bring out the spice in people...other wise, the world would be too blanded.

Lets do something more ... ehem .. constructive

I am...having so many yellow weeds that would post soon...and between that I had tea, take more yellow weeds pictures...having eating yellow safron flavor icecream (yum yum yum)...looking at picture that I took this morning of my honey bear who is wearing yellow t-shirt reading newspaper while eating breakfast...now off for some nice lunch somewhere...a couple tennis with good friend later...only more constructive I can wish for now is the wind to dying down so I can do some IR...then some crab cake for dinner again with my honey bear...life is sweet and constructive, what more could I have ask for?...how about you?
Cheers Roland,
S

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Roland