Should I resize after downloading?

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I'm hoping to start printing my photos more then inthe past, as I have, till now, been satisfied with storing and viewing on my desktop.

I have been taking pics with my Oly c5050z on HQ setting 2560X1920. When I attempt to print them my printer (HP 952c) crashes. Is it possible that the pics are too large for the print memory?

Is it prudent to resize all photos down before printing them?
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You are trying to print a 36" x 26" image. You need to reduce the print size (9" x 6.75" is nice) without reducing the resolution; uncheck resample.
I'm hoping to start printing my photos more then inthe past, as I
have, till now, been satisfied with storing and viewing on my
desktop.

I have been taking pics with my Oly c5050z on HQ setting 2560X1920.
When I attempt to print them my printer (HP 952c) crashes. Is it
possible that the pics are too large for the print memory?

Is it prudent to resize all photos down before printing them?
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Michael - You don't say what post-processing software you are using and there are a number of alternatives. I use Photoshop Elements 2.0 while others use other programs. Also available free is IrfanView. Each of those programs gives you several options for resizing.

If you don't plan to print large (like 8 x 10) prints you can resize by reducing the pixels, usually to 800 x 600 (or maybe 640 x 480). When you save the jpg file, you will have the option of saving them to quality levels from 1 to 12, with 12 being the highest quality and also the largest file. An 800 x 600 pixel pic, saved at a mid-range number will give decent results for 4 x 6 prints or even 5 x 7. Also your file size will be much smaller and your friends on dial-up modems will be much happier with you when you e-mail that smaller file.

Hope you find this helpful.

Martin
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If you don't plan to print large (like 8 x 10) prints you can
resize by reducing the pixels, usually to 800 x 600 (or maybe 640 x
480). When you save the jpg file, you will have the option of
saving them to quality levels from 1 to 12, with 12 being the
highest quality and also the largest file. An 800 x 600 pixel pic,
saved at a mid-range number will give decent results for 4 x 6
prints or even 5 x 7. Also your file size will be much smaller and
your friends on dial-up modems will be much happier with you when
you e-mail that smaller file.
Martin, sorry but I think this is plain wrong. 800x600 at 240-300dpi (desktop inkjets will top at this resolution) gives much smaller than 4"x6" prints. Otoh, 5mp is too much for 4"x6". He needs to downsample and sharpen, if this is the target size. Or use Qimage that automates the job. Check this link for better understang the relation between resolution and printing size:
http://www.megapixel.net/cgi-bin/print.pl
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No that's not correct. You DONT want to resize your files by compressing them, that's just throwing away detail and therfore quality. You actually want to adjust your DPI value in photoshop(assuming you are using photoshop). A trick is to use the crop tool, set for the size of paper you intend to print to. If you crop for 8x10, it will automatically adjust the image to 150 DPI, if a 4x6, it will adjust it to 266.667 DPI (close enough to 300 DPI). I then add my copyright logo if so desired, make sure my printer is set for photo paper, best quality, and the proper orientation. And after printing, i'll close the image, making sure to NOT save over it, that way I still have the original file to work off of at a later date.

Robert M
Michael - You don't say what post-processing software you are using
and there are a number of alternatives. I use Photoshop Elements
2.0 while others use other programs. Also available free is
IrfanView. Each of those programs gives you several options for
resizing.

If you don't plan to print large (like 8 x 10) prints you can
resize by reducing the pixels, usually to 800 x 600 (or maybe 640 x
480). When you save the jpg file, you will have the option of
saving them to quality levels from 1 to 12, with 12 being the
highest quality and also the largest file. An 800 x 600 pixel pic,
saved at a mid-range number will give decent results for 4 x 6
prints or even 5 x 7. Also your file size will be much smaller and
your friends on dial-up modems will be much happier with you when
you e-mail that smaller file.

Hope you find this helpful.

Martin
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Just a question, how much RAM does your computer have? The reason I ask is, My machine had only 64 MB memory out of the box, and I had problems that sounded similar to yours. A mere 128MB addition solved that problem nicely.
BTW, I own an HP as well (842c)

Robert M
I'm hoping to start printing my photos more then inthe past, as I
have, till now, been satisfied with storing and viewing on my
desktop.

I have been taking pics with my Oly c5050z on HQ setting 2560X1920.
When I attempt to print them my printer (HP 952c) crashes. Is it
possible that the pics are too large for the print memory?

Is it prudent to resize all photos down before printing them?
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Robert M
I'm hoping to start printing my photos more then inthe past, as I
have, till now, been satisfied with storing and viewing on my
desktop.

I have been taking pics with my Oly c5050z on HQ setting 2560X1920.
When I attempt to print them my printer (HP 952c) crashes. Is it
possible that the pics are too large for the print memory?

Is it prudent to resize all photos down before printing them?
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Michael's question was, "Is it prudent to resize all photos down before printing them?"

It appeared to me that he was attempting to print the image he saw on the screen when viewed with Outlook Express or something similar. Without knowing what he is using to post-process his pics, we can only guess what he should do next. My solution to downsize the pixel count to a smaller number will work. I know that resolution and the quality of the final print will be affected by the ppi and dpi and I thought that would only confuse Michael right now.

You can take the 800 x 600 or 640 x 480 file, pop it up on the screen, print it and you will have a decent print. If you have a word processing program you can insert the picture file and size it to your desired size and print it quite successfully.

As for dealing with the other variables already discussed - I don't think Michael is ready for that. What I described works very nicely with my HP 932C. Can I do the other things you guys describe to make my prints better? Sure and I do those things, as will Michael when he gets further into the process.

Martin

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Let me be more accurate...

I have an abundance of RAM, so other then the memory problem coming from trying to print a huge picture, which isn't resized, I doubt that's the problem.

I use Image Expert 2000 for most of my image processing, although I have PhotoShop (I am pretty computer literate, and it still baffles me).

I am saving the pics at HQ setting 2560X1920. Image Expert will allow me to resize, while maintaining the aspect ratio. But that's about it. It is an excellent application for cataloging and viewing, but that's about it.

My objective would be to:
  • create a smaller pic (more like 1200x900) with the same level of detail
  • replace the original with the smaller copy which I will then lock & archive to CD
  • Be able to crop and do some basic touchup (both of which ImageExpert can handle smartly
  • be able to print and email with little difficult and in a user friendly way
I also use Fotki for storing pics for online viewing as well as Shutterfly for sharing slide shows etc with F&F (friends & family).

Am I barking up the wrong tree with the applications I am using? Is Photoshop a better tool for this?

I also have MGI PhotoSuite 4, CompuPic, PhotStudio 2000 and Camedia Master...none of which get any regular use.
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Martin,

This might possibly be better addressed in another forum as it isn't Olympus specific...however, I recv'd no responses in the printing forum.

I suppose I have opened a can of worms...being a newbie to the digital scene and all. And thanks for recognizing my inexperience.

I would guess that my question could be posed in an even more generic fashion...

Now that I have dropped the money for a 5mp camera, how best to preserve the high quality pics when printing and storing, while making them easier to work with...ie printing and storing. Should I automatically resize them, and if I should what issues should I look out for ie. re-sampling(?).
Michael's question was, "Is it prudent to resize all photos down
before printing them?"

It appeared to me that he was attempting to print the image he saw
on the screen when viewed with Outlook Express or something
similar. Without knowing what he is using to post-process his
pics, we can only guess what he should do next. My solution to
downsize the pixel count to a smaller number will work. I know
that resolution and the quality of the final print will be affected
by the ppi and dpi and I thought that would only confuse Michael
right now.

You can take the 800 x 600 or 640 x 480 file, pop it up on the
screen, print it and you will have a decent print. If you have a
word processing program you can insert the picture file and size it
to your desired size and print it quite successfully.

As for dealing with the other variables already discussed - I don't
think Michael is ready for that. What I described works very
nicely with my HP 932C. Can I do the other things you guys
describe to make my prints better? Sure and I do those things, as
will Michael when he gets further into the process.

Martin

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Maybe I should resize but I never have.

I have printing apps from HP, Canon, ACDSee Foto Slate and used to have Qimage...I just choose the photo tell the printing app what size I want and everything is done for me.

Perhaps I am losing resolution through the apps...I don't know, they look fine.

I have to admit that I rarely use my printer anymore, I just upload the full size JPG to Ofoto and they return great prints. I think the cost is equal to all the paper, ink and hardware used up by a home printer, especially considering the expense of making mistakes.

Hollie
Let me be more accurate...

I have an abundance of RAM, so other then the memory problem coming
from trying to print a huge picture, which isn't resized, I doubt
that's the problem.

I use Image Expert 2000 for most of my image processing, although I
have PhotoShop (I am pretty computer literate, and it still baffles
me).

I am saving the pics at HQ setting 2560X1920. Image Expert will
allow me to resize, while maintaining the aspect ratio. But that's
about it. It is an excellent application for cataloging and
viewing, but that's about it.

My objective would be to:
  • create a smaller pic (more like 1200x900) with the same level of
detail
  • replace the original with the smaller copy which I will then lock
& archive to CD
  • Be able to crop and do some basic touchup (both of which
ImageExpert can handle smartly
  • be able to print and email with little difficult and in a user
friendly way

I also use Fotki for storing pics for online viewing as well as
Shutterfly for sharing slide shows etc with F&F (friends & family).

Am I barking up the wrong tree with the applications I am using?
Is Photoshop a better tool for this?

I also have MGI PhotoSuite 4, CompuPic, PhotStudio 2000 and Camedia
Master...none of which get any regular use.
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Hollie...thanks! I'll bite...what's Ofoto?
I have printing apps from HP, Canon, ACDSee Foto Slate and used to
have Qimage...I just choose the photo tell the printing app what
size I want and everything is done for me.

Perhaps I am losing resolution through the apps...I don't know,
they look fine.

I have to admit that I rarely use my printer anymore, I just upload
the full size JPG to Ofoto and they return great prints. I think
the cost is equal to all the paper, ink and hardware used up by a
home printer, especially considering the expense of making mistakes.

Hollie
Let me be more accurate...

I have an abundance of RAM, so other then the memory problem coming
from trying to print a huge picture, which isn't resized, I doubt
that's the problem.

I use Image Expert 2000 for most of my image processing, although I
have PhotoShop (I am pretty computer literate, and it still baffles
me).

I am saving the pics at HQ setting 2560X1920. Image Expert will
allow me to resize, while maintaining the aspect ratio. But that's
about it. It is an excellent application for cataloging and
viewing, but that's about it.

My objective would be to:
  • create a smaller pic (more like 1200x900) with the same level of
detail
  • replace the original with the smaller copy which I will then lock
& archive to CD
  • Be able to crop and do some basic touchup (both of which
ImageExpert can handle smartly
  • be able to print and email with little difficult and in a user
friendly way

I also use Fotki for storing pics for online viewing as well as
Shutterfly for sharing slide shows etc with F&F (friends & family).

Am I barking up the wrong tree with the applications I am using?
Is Photoshop a better tool for this?

I also have MGI PhotoSuite 4, CompuPic, PhotStudio 2000 and Camedia
Master...none of which get any regular use.
--
Technology Rules!
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I have printing apps from HP, Canon, ACDSee Foto Slate and used to
have Qimage...I just choose the photo tell the printing app what
size I want and everything is done for me.

Perhaps I am losing resolution through the apps...I don't know,
they look fine.

I have to admit that I rarely use my printer anymore, I just upload
the full size JPG to Ofoto and they return great prints. I think
the cost is equal to all the paper, ink and hardware used up by a
home printer, especially considering the expense of making mistakes.

Hollie
Let me be more accurate...

I have an abundance of RAM, so other then the memory problem coming
from trying to print a huge picture, which isn't resized, I doubt
that's the problem.

I use Image Expert 2000 for most of my image processing, although I
have PhotoShop (I am pretty computer literate, and it still baffles
me).

I am saving the pics at HQ setting 2560X1920. Image Expert will
allow me to resize, while maintaining the aspect ratio. But that's
about it. It is an excellent application for cataloging and
viewing, but that's about it.

My objective would be to:
  • create a smaller pic (more like 1200x900) with the same level of
detail
  • replace the original with the smaller copy which I will then lock
& archive to CD
  • Be able to crop and do some basic touchup (both of which
ImageExpert can handle smartly
  • be able to print and email with little difficult and in a user
friendly way

I also use Fotki for storing pics for online viewing as well as
Shutterfly for sharing slide shows etc with F&F (friends & family).

Am I barking up the wrong tree with the applications I am using?
Is Photoshop a better tool for this?

I also have MGI PhotoSuite 4, CompuPic, PhotStudio 2000 and Camedia
Master...none of which get any regular use.
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Michael M,

This is a great question that arises here from time to time. Allow me to share my workflow with you. This is a workflow that has evolved over several years of using PhotoShop and I think meets my present and future needs. Before I get started, let me share that I follow this workflow for my KEEPERS, not every image I take! For example, I returned yesterday from a morning shoot with about 80 images and only 13 actually got this treatment. (not bad actually, 13 keepers out of 80 shots!).

I do two things with my images: upload to the web (pbase or PSig or E-mail) and print. I am presently printing most images at 8x10 (actually 9.6 x 7.6 inches for the frames I like to use).

So first is to make the crop, using the crop tool in PS, set the dimensions for 7.6 x 9.6. You can play with the most artistic crop for your subject. You can even invert the numbers for a different orientation (portrait or landscape orientation).

When you are pleased with your crop, work with your levels/curves, color correction, contrast, etc. Basically this is the step where you do ALL of your photo-editing and enhancing, except sharpening. When I am finished with this step, I add a simple frame, but that can be the subject of another post. If you look at the size of your image (image---> image size), this box will show that your image is indeed 9.6 x 7.6 and the resolution (ppi) and actual pixels will be shown. At this point I save this image as a TIFF, using the exact same name as my original. This preserves the original file.

Now, to make your image for the web, continue working from your TIFF file, resize the image (Image ----> Image Size). Put a check in the "resample" box (and leave the check in the "maintain proportions" box), and change the pixel height to 600 pixels. The width will change automatically. The overall pixels should not be greater than 600 high and 800 wide, since this is the size of most smaller computer screens. Use the zoom tool to blow the image up to the size of your screen. You are now ready to sharpen the image (Filter ----> Sharpen ---> Unsharp Mask). Select the settings that look good to you. (Unsharp Mask settings are a topic in themselves, but you could start at Tolerance 2, Amount of 200, radius .3 and work with the radius to get the desired effect.) Now save the image for the web (File ---> Save As). I add the letter "a" to the front of my image file name to make sure I don't overwrite the original file, can easily tell that this image is for the web,and so I can refer back to the original or TIFF if I need to later. Now select the JPG file type and click SAVE. A dialogue box will appear that lets you choose the "quality" of the JPG. As you slide the quality slider from 12 (best) to 1 (worst), notice that the file size changes dramatically. I try to keep this file size at or about 200 kb and choose a quality setting accordingly. When you close the window, PS asks if you want to save the changes made to the TIFF file. Most certainly answer NO!

So now you still have your untouched original file, a file for the web, and a TIFF file for printing. Your TIFF file still needs one more step before you are ready for printing. Can you guess what this final step is?

Open that TIFF file. Take a peek at the Image Size box to reassure yourself that you are working on the full sized image and did not save your changes when you made the web.jpg file. Use your zoom tool and fill your screen with the image. Now do your final sharpening (Filter ---> Sharpening ---> Unsharp Mask). This time, start with threshold 2, amount 200 and pixel radius of .8 to 1. Notice how much more sharpening is required on this full-sized TIFF than with your web-sized image! Amazing huh? Well this is just one of the reasons that you do this in two separate steps. When you are happy with your USM settings, do a SAVE.

Now you have three files for the same image: the original, a jpg for the web, and a TIFF for printing. You can do anything you want with this TIFF file now: send it to your printer using any print utility, upload to a service bureau, or burn it to a CD for safe keeping.

THis sounds a bit complicated, but it is really very easy. You may need to follow my recipe a few times, but very soon it becomes second nature and you can do it in your sleep.

Best wishes,

Jim

PS: Yes, I use Qimage as my print utility. It LOVES these TIFFS!
I'm hoping to start printing my photos more then inthe past, as I
have, till now, been satisfied with storing and viewing on my
desktop.

I have been taking pics with my Oly c5050z on HQ setting 2560X1920.
When I attempt to print them my printer (HP 952c) crashes. Is it
possible that the pics are too large for the print memory?

Is it prudent to resize all photos down before printing them?
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I think that some clues to your best course of action lie in your stated objectives. There are some basic incompatibilities to be found there. In the first you want to create a smaller picutre with the same level of detail. That is basically not possible if, by smaller, you mean with smaller pixel dimensions (as indicated by going from the original resolution down to 1200x900). Taking an image from large to smaller resolution will inevitably cost in terms of loss of finer detail. My best advice there is that you always archive (save) the original full resolution image file. Archival storage on CD's in inexpensive so that image (and resulatant file size) should not be used as a criterion for archival storage. For sharing and presentation of the image in digital form (on screen, e-mail transmission, etc., the image should be downsized to usable pixel dimensions (say 400-800 pixels wide) for easy non-scrolling viewing on most monitors). Resultant file sizes with moderate jpeg compression will usually be 50 KB or less with sufficient viewing quality. For printing I'd suggest always going back to the full resolution image touched up however you may chose in a photo-editing program. Most printing softward can accept full resolution files and, by adjusting the dpi, produce an output of a desired (specified) physical size. I'm another who uses Qimage - in my view the best bargain available for taking all the headaches out of the process. It automatically does all the necessary processing to go from a file of any dimensions to a printout of specifed size. You can download a free trial copy and give it a whirl.

Good luck!
My objective would be to:
  • create a smaller pic (more like 1200x900) with the same level of
detail
  • replace the original with the smaller copy which I will then lock
& archive to CD
  • Be able to crop and do some basic touchup (both of which
ImageExpert can handle smartly
  • be able to print and email with little difficult and in a user
friendly way
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Jim,

Earlier in this thread, Dimitrios states that 5mp is too much resolution for a 6x4 print. Is it possible to have too much detail for a print?

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Fred
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--Hi sandman. Thanks so much for having shared your own workflow. I'm sure many, if not most, of the posters here would have picked-up something from that. Sandman, I have to admit I'm not so sure how to compute for dpi settings when printing my pics. Could you possibly give me the correct dpi settings if I intend to print a pic (with a res of 1984x1488)
on the following:
8 1/2 x 11 paper; on a 4x6, and finally on a 12x18 paper.

I have read some articles about dpi and resolutions but have yet to find an article that would explain these things for proper execution by a newbie.

In the meantime that these principles on printing are not quite clear to me(usually set dpi at 300 regardless of paper size), I hope you can give me the dpi settings that would result to the best possible prints. Thank you in advance!

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