Shocked!

[adrian26]

I am waiting for the new 5DII, and I do that since 2 years ago. Yesterday, I was the main photographer at a wedding and, as always, a couple of family members also make some pictures. In the church, I noticed one of them: no flash Nikonian Hmmm Strange! My 30D along with 85 mm f/1.8 @ISO 400 cannot even dream about that, I tried and was far to dark. Outside of the church, already in the evening... Low light. The same. At one particular time, that guy and his family come to take pictures along with the b&g. After taking the picture with my camera, I have also taked a picture with his camera, again without flash. Push the button (in no flash mode, on a D40 along with 18-55 VR lens). WHAAAATTT? Oh my God! Look at the display, the picture is perfect bright, focus and sharp at f/3.5 @1/15s! I don't know what kind of ISO does he used, but My Canon is far to dark (almost black) with the same settings@ ISO 400. That was a 650 $ set up, with picture that look incredible well lighted and was inaccessible for me with my Canon set up. THAT IS painful..

So, here comes the question, from a shocked Canonier

Is that VR so effective? How much difference will be IS vs VR? What ISO do you think he used?

 

[hunk]

Is that VR so effective? How much difference will be IS vs VR? What
ISO do you think he used?

yes
none
1600 (My calculations show 1540 iso, so I rounded the figure)

p.s. wrong forum alert

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[Ludovic Monchat]

And I can tell you that what you saw on his tiny screen was probably as noisy as the runaway of an airport on August 1st.

He was certainly at 1600 ISO and at such level the CCD generates a lot of noise that the cam washes completely, but no way to see that on a little screen.

Was it a D40X or a D40 ?? They are quite different.

As per the brightness of the shot, it's a hit and miss game. Adding too much "light" can ruin the overall mood of the shot and most certainly at 1/15 there will be some subject blur. IS can't freeze action, a flash yes !!

That said you should have pushed your 30D upto 1600, and with your 85 mm at 2,8 to keep some DOF and sharpness, you could have taken the very same shot standing very still.

IS and VR are basically identical. Once again, if you look at the last zupadupa zoom from canon, the IS is very effective, but it will never stop the groom from turning her head, and at 1/15 this will ruin your shot.

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[adrian26]

I really didn't exactly notice what camera was, only figure out that is D40 after searching about the dial shape/function on dpreview camera database... The 1600 ISO is not an option that I am going to consider on the 30D, and even 800 is far no noisy for me. I am going to wait the 5D. And hope. Also, even if I never considered an IS zoom , now I am going to jump to the store and try some. Also, I will try to get those pictures and have a closer look, but this it's another story. So, the bottom line is IS is the same as VR (as effectiveness speaking, not as the process)? In that case, what IS lens (I don't buy other then Canon) would you recommend in the wide range? Right now I am only using primes. Thank you for reply's

 

[Doug J]

Your 30D will do OK at ISO 1600, just keep the photo properly exposed, not underexposed. You should open the lens aperture as well.

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[Oak and Acorn]

I am waiting for the new 5DII, and I do that since 2 years ago.
Yesterday, I was the main photographer at a wedding and, as always, a
couple of family members also make some pictures. In the church, I
noticed one of them: no flash Nikonian Hmmm Strange! My 30D along
with 85 mm f/1.8 @ISO 400 cannot even dream about that, I tried and
was far to dark. Outside of the church, already in the evening... Low
light. The same. At one particular time, that guy and his family come
to take pictures along with the b&g. After taking the picture with my
camera, I have also taked a picture with his camera, again without
flash. Push the button (in no flash mode, on a D40 along with 18-55
VR lens). WHAAAATTT? Oh my God! Look at the display, the picture is
perfect bright, focus and sharp at f/3.5 @1/15s! I don't know what
kind of ISO does he used, but My Canon is far to dark (almost black)
with the same settings@ ISO 400. That was a 650 $ set up, with
picture that look incredible well lighted and was inaccessible for me
with my Canon set up. THAT IS painful..

So, here comes the question, from a shocked Canonier

Is that VR so effective? How much difference will be IS vs VR? What
ISO do you think he used?

Okay, I'll buy THAT for a dollar!

Nice try though.

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[adrian26]

I have nothing to sell... So if you have something to buy, go at the mall. else, please keep focus on subject.
PS I hate Nikon!

 

[RamOne]

What about changing profession?
cheers

 

[adrian26]

I don't know, it's your option...

 

[Taikonaut]

Do you use manual mode, auto or P mode? Do you shoot in Jpeg only?

 

[Ludovic Monchat]

Buy you a 17-55 IS, a very nice lens even if a little expensive and solely made for APS bodies. It's sharp even wide open and will bring you tons of light and an excellent IS on top of it.

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[adrian26]

Jpegs only, manual mode, no more then ISO 400 (large amount of date, @2000 pictures/ client - 23 hours type event

 

[Victor Engel]

What calculations?

1600 (My calculations show 1540 iso, so I rounded the figure)

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[bullet1]

I have been shooting ISO1600 since the 300D time and ISO3200 since the 20D time. There is absolutely no reason to stop at ISO400. Think ISO400 is the same as ISO100 on the P&S.
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[Joe Hoddinott]

PS I hate Nikon!

Why?

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[chunin]

It is pretty clear that in this age of digital everthing people don't know a thing about exposure. If one camera can do it any other camera can. Just reproduce the settings on both. Or put it in the green square.

 

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[Taikonaut]

Jpegs only, manual mode, no more then ISO 400 (large amount of date,
@2000 pictures/ client - 23 hours type event

That is were your problems are.
Try RAW and ISO 1600 then downsize the image to 25% original size.
If you are using DPP set chroma noise reduction at maximum.

 

[rhlpetrus]

Here are 2 from the Met Museum in NY, no VR/IS, 1/25s, and last at 1/20s, all handheld:







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