Sad but I have to let go NX30 system. How about an alternative?

[jfgarcia]

Hello.

My NX30 fails with the know problem of freeze (I have to take battery out) and unreliable dials.

It's sad, but I want to go with another system.

I'll put at sale my 50-200 and great 30 f2.0 that works fine.

I have the Lumix G85 (great nice camera, great IBIS!) but miss the IQ of my NX30.

I've read that Fujifilm X-T30 or X-H1 are a good alternatives. Have some of you tryed out? how well performs compared to NX30?

Also I'm tempted to go with Sony A7III, but the price and bad ergonomics pull me out.

I would like to have IBIS. It's something that I want to count on, after used the G85.

(sorry for my bad english)

 

[flip 21]

Hello.

My NX30 fails with the know problem of freeze (I have to take battery out) and unreliable dials.

It's sad, but I want to go with another system.

I'll put at sale my 50-200 and great 30 f2.0 that works fine.

I have the Lumix G85 (great nice camera, great IBIS!) but miss the IQ of my NX30.

I've read that Fujifilm X-T30 or X-H1 are a good alternatives. Have some of you tryed out? how well performs compared to NX30?

Also I'm tempted to go with Sony A7III, but the price and bad ergonomics pull me out.

I would like to have IBIS. It's something that I want to count on, after used the G85.

(sorry for my bad english)

This is the million dollar question I would go for the Sony A6400, or maybe wait for the Sony A6100, which is going to be a bargain...also, sigma lenses are cheap and great... just check the 30mm, 1.4 (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1234027-REG/sigma_302965_30mm_f_1_4_dc_dn.html) (

). Its form factor is also great, you can put it in a drone, a gimball... it is so light...

If you don't need a selfie/180º LCD you can buy the Fuji XT3, which records 4K 60, but is much more expensive.... I'm assuming you want to shoot video, right?

If you want a camera for photos, and don't care about 4K video, buy the new Canon M6 MKII, cheap body, cheap lenses, and 32.5mp...but... terrible, fake 4K video...

Anyway, the Fuji XT30 is really cheap, and the best hybrid body of them all... don't forget, none of them has IBIS. The problem with Lumix cameras is the unreliable AF performance, but its IBIS is the best I've seen... The Sony A6600 has IBIS though...

Summing it up: BUY the SONY A6400.

 

[Massao]

There is no alternative for me—at least until NX500 becomes technologically obsolete. Why not buy another used NX camera? The price-benefit ratio can’t be better than NX line.

If all the NX500s mysteriously disappear from the face of earth, then I’d probably buy Canon EOS-M system. Until then, I’m happy with my NX system.

 

[Lawrence Norman]

There is no alternative for me—at least until NX500 becomes technologically obsolete. Why not buy another used NX camera? The price-benefit ratio can’t be better than NX line.

If all the NX500s mysteriously disappear from the face of earth, then I’d probably buy Canon EOS-M system. Until then, I’m happy with my NX system.

Agree with Massao.
Would only add, think about transitioning to NX1 for EVF, which :-( is not an NX500 component.

Good luck with your evaluation and Please let us know your choice,
Tu Vu

--
"What gets us into trouble is not what we don't know. It's what we know for sure that just ain't so." -Mark Twain

 

[jfgarcia]

There is no alternative for me—at least until NX500 becomes technologically obsolete. Why not buy another used NX camera? The price-benefit ratio can’t be better than NX line.

If all the NX500s mysteriously disappear from the face of earth, then I’d probably buy Canon EOS-M system. Until then, I’m happy with my NX system.

Agree with Massao.
Would only add, think about transitioning to NX1 for EVF, which :-( is not an NX500 component.

Good luck with your evaluation and Please let us know your choice,
Tu Vu

Hi Massao, TuVuVu.

Thanks for your comments.

Yes, I did considered some other NX used body. I'd read that other models also suffer from random freezes and unreliable dials. Besides, I see some other things I don't like in my NX30 (I assume there are in other NX models too). Noise performance sometimes is good, but another I get 'the watercolor effect' or heavy color noise; I mean, it's not consistent from one pic to another. Those effects are visible in RAW and JPEG, so it's difficult to get nice results from those pics. It could be due to sensor heat or humidity, but for me, it's a no no.

I think take pictures have to be fun, but with my NX30 I'm not getting that.

That's why I'm looking to another system.

Now that I'd tryed the Lumix G85 I learned a couple of things: Idn't realize the good system NX was, the pics with 30mm f2 pancake lens are so good, specialy for the price, but also what is missing in NX30 that G85 do have: Quick operation, reliable function, consistent quality from pic to pic, environment sealing, IBIS (OMG), ecosystem (plenty of lens, flash and accesories)...

But, I miss the IQ from NX30 (when it works, hehehe). Thats why I'm looking for another system that try to balance the compromises between NX30 and, says, G85.

Kind of pics I want to make: Social (some weddings or Quinceaños), street, travel and family.

What I'm looking for: nice, sweet and creamy bokeh, good AF, reliability, fast and consistent operation, in-body flash (pref.) IBIS (pref.), no-so-expensive glasses and accesories...

I think I'm lost, hahaha.

Thanks for reading.

 

[flip 21]

There is no alternative for me—at least until NX500 becomes technologically obsolete. Why not buy another used NX camera? The price-benefit ratio can’t be better than NX line.

If all the NX500s mysteriously disappear from the face of earth, then I’d probably buy Canon EOS-M system. Until then, I’m happy with my NX system.

Agree with Massao.
Would only add, think about transitioning to NX1 for EVF, which :-( is not an NX500 component.

Good luck with your evaluation and Please let us know your choice,
Tu Vu

Hi Massao, TuVuVu.

Hey?!?!? What about me??!?!?? I was the first to reply you back... this is not fair snif, snif...

OR, wait a minute... I think I understand, are you a Sony Hater?... is that it?

 

[Massao]

There is no alternative for me—at least until NX500 becomes technologically obsolete. Why not buy another used NX camera? The price-benefit ratio can’t be better than NX line.

If all the NX500s mysteriously disappear from the face of earth, then I’d probably buy Canon EOS-M system. Until then, I’m happy with my NX system.

Agree with Massao.
Would only add, think about transitioning to NX1 for EVF, which :-( is not an NX500 component.

Good luck with your evaluation and Please let us know your choice,
Tu Vu

Hi Massao, TuVuVu.

Thanks for your comments.

Yes, I did considered some other NX used body. I'd read that other models also suffer from random freezes and unreliable dials.

I've had several NX cameras: NX10, NX11, NX1000, NX1100, NX200, NX20, NX300, NX3300, and NX500, often more than one copy of the samel model (had three NX300 at one time, and two NX20's), and only ONE NX300 had problems with mode dial after at least 10,000 pics. Don't remember any freeizing issue. It might had happened once or twice but that can happen with any camera.

Besides, I see some other things I don't like in my NX30 (I assume there are in other NX models too). Noise performance sometimes is good, but another I get 'the watercolor effect' or heavy color noise; I mean, it's not consistent from one pic to another. Those effects are visible in RAW and JPEG, so it's difficult to get nice results from those pics. It could be due to sensor heat or humidity, but for me, it's a no no.

Its likely that your NX30 is faulty.

I think take pictures have to be fun, but with my NX30 I'm not getting that.

That's why I'm looking to another system.

Now that I'd tryed the Lumix G85 I learned a couple of things: Idn't realize the good system NX was, the pics with 30mm f2 pancake lens are so good, specialy for the price, but also what is missing in NX30 that G85 do have: Quick operation, reliable function, consistent quality from pic to pic, environment sealing, IBIS (OMG), ecosystem (plenty of lens, flash and accesories)...

But, I miss the IQ from NX30 (when it works, hehehe). Thats why I'm looking for another system that try to balance the compromises between NX30 and, says, G85.

I wouldn't even bother with an m4/3. See discussion here for reference.

Kind of pics I want to make: Social (some weddings or Quinceaños)

Most systems are good for that. Best is with Nikon and Canon because their flash system is way ahead of everyone else.

, street

Any camera is good for that.

, travel

Any MILC is good for that

and family.

Any camera is good for that.

What I'm looking for: nice, sweet and creamy bokeh,

You need good lenses for that. System doesn't matter as long as its with APS-C or bigger sensor.

good AF,

= Nikon/Canon

reliability,

= Nikon/Canon/Pentax

fast and consistent operation,

=any new model from any manufacturer

in-body flash (pref.)

= Most DSLR's, few MILC's from Sony, etc.

IBIS (pref.),

= Pentax/Sony/Fujifilm

no-so-expensive glasses and accesories...

= Canon

I think I'm lost, hahaha.

Yes

Thanks for reading.

 

[jfgarcia]

Hello.

My NX30 fails with the know problem of freeze (I have to take battery out) and unreliable dials.

It's sad, but I want to go with another system.

I'll put at sale my 50-200 and great 30 f2.0 that works fine.

I have the Lumix G85 (great nice camera, great IBIS!) but miss the IQ of my NX30.

I've read that Fujifilm X-T30 or X-H1 are a good alternatives. Have some of you tryed out? how well performs compared to NX30?

Also I'm tempted to go with Sony A7III, but the price and bad ergonomics pull me out.

I would like to have IBIS. It's something that I want to count on, after used the G85.

(sorry for my bad english)

This is the million dollar question I would go for the Sony A6400, or maybe wait for the Sony A6100, which is going to be a bargain...also, sigma lenses are cheap and great... just check the 30mm, 1.4 (https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1234027-REG/sigma_302965_30mm_f_1_4_dc_dn.html) (

). Its form factor is also great, you can put it in a drone, a gimball... it is so light...

flip 21

thanks for you comment.

Mmm, I'd considered a Sony also. I think the great value from Sony comes from A7 (FF) series.

Your suggestion about Sony A6100 looks great. I'm reading th review and looks like covers much I looking for, including EVF, built-in- flash, a good price.. except the IBIS, but Canon M6 nor Fujifilm X-T* have neither.

If you don't need a selfie/180º LCD you can buy the Fuji XT3, which records 4K 60, but is much more expensive.... I'm assuming you want to shoot video, right?

Yes, I would like to shot video, but I'm not very picky in this regard.

If you want a camera for photos, and don't care about 4K video, buy the new Canon M6 MKII, cheap body, cheap lenses, and 32.5mp...but... terrible, fake 4K video...

The Canon M6 MKII looks great!. I don't like that EFV is not integrated in body. It uses the hot-shoe so you are out of luck to use a Flash unit.

Anyway, the Fuji XT30 is really cheap, and the best hybrid body of them all... don't forget, none of them has IBIS.

XT30 seems a good option also. Everybody talks about 'the Fuji colors'. Perhaps go for the Fuji X-H1 that *does* have IBIS.

The problem with Lumix cameras is the unreliable AF performance, but its IBIS is the best I've seen...

Well, after used my Lumix G85 I can surely say that the auto focus is very fast and accurate, much more than the AF of NX30. Reviewing some of 100s pics past taken with NX30, I have much more keepers with my G85. Yea, not all is fault of the camera, the photographer have it count too ;-)

The Sony A6600 has IBIS though...

Summing it up: BUY the SONY A6400.

I'm reading and see that A6500 does have IBIS!. The A6600 have the same sensor that A6500, right?

I see you have th NX10, A7III and a6400... which Sony camera do you think gives 'better' image quality than NX? (I put 'better', because I know IQ is greatly subjetive )

Now, aside technical matters, What of this cameras do you like the images/color, bokeh (I know this have much to do with the lens, but...) the most? (question for flip 21 an other readers)

-A7III

-a6500

-Fujifilm X-T30 / X-H1

-Canon EOS M6 MKII

Thanks for reading.

 

[jfgarcia]

There is no alternative for me—at least until NX500 becomes technologically obsolete. Why not buy another used NX camera? The price-benefit ratio can’t be better than NX line.

If all the NX500s mysteriously disappear from the face of earth, then I’d probably buy Canon EOS-M system. Until then, I’m happy with my NX system.

Agree with Massao.
Would only add, think about transitioning to NX1 for EVF, which :-( is not an NX500 component.

Good luck with your evaluation and Please let us know your choice,
Tu Vu

Hi Massao, TuVuVu.

Hey?!?!? What about me??!?!?? I was the first to reply you back... this is not fair snif, snif...

OR, wait a minute... I think I understand, are you a Sony Hater?... is that it?

Hahaha, I hate Sony, but only 'cos I can't afford the A9

 

[Wahid Khan 1961]

There is no alternative for me—at least until NX500 becomes technologically obsolete. Why not buy another used NX camera? The price-benefit ratio can’t be better than NX line.

I would totally agree with this recommendation, especially if you've got a good collection of NX lenses.

If all the NX500s mysteriously disappear from the face of earth, then I’d probably buy Canon EOS-M system. Until then, I’m happy with my NX system.

I'm not sure who I'd go with when my Samsung gear becomes obsolete. I can see me using them for at least another 5+ years. By then, hopefully the whole industry would be much more settled and the used market awash with good options that today are a little too rich for my purse.

 

[jfgarcia]

Thanks all for your kind comments.

Update:

I been joined to Facebook groups of several cameras brands, hoping see the resulting images taken by real users.

I've found this:

Sony a6500 users: Talks a lot. Some people are boastful. Few pics and fewer good ones. Lots of questions, and insults from time to time. Very informative about the use of sigma lenses. I learned that video kinda sucks, and IBIS is good but not much used.

Fujifilm X-T users: Great show of very nice pics. People are a little more kindle. People shows pics of their gear, they really love their gear. Also found some messages that says Fujifilm cameras get blocked or freezed. Thats not a good sign. Some users says some lenses are kinda soft, but some other pics area great. I'm dunno. I think "Fujifilm changed my photography foreva..." it's a little exaggerated phrase, but seems to be quoted often.

Canon M50/M5 users: A lot of beginners. It seems that much people that wants to become a photog chooses Canon brand. Some nice pics. The native M mount lens seems to be not-so-good, more users use their previous canon glasses with the adapter. Lots of questions about the right lens for certain situations.

Pentax K1 users: Wow. What kind of great pics!. Very kind people. They uses a lot of vintage lenses, the pics looks nice. Pentax K1 by far, the best pics I'd see in all groups, may be due to more experienced photographers (I think); well, the camera es amazing also. Many astro pics, also portraits and landscape are superb. Some pics of their gear, people love gear.

Samsung users: Some nice pics. It's noted that 'pro' photographers do not choose Samsung brand, unfairly I think. People are nice. Some posts of people selling out their gear, more often than in other groups.

This, and some lectures from web, YT, etc... result in the finalist in this "Camera's got talent" contest:

-Pentax K1, discarded. Its a Full frame DSLR big and heavy. Perhaps at another time...

-Sony a6500. It have some compromises like bad video (what kind of rolling shutter have!) and price, but it have IBIS, great AF, and wheater sealing.

-FujiFilm X-T**. Whell, I would like to have one in my hands to try it out and see if all those things users talk about are true. Cheaper than Sony. No IBIS. No sure about what model choose yet, X-T20, X-E30, X-T30. Depends of second-hand market offer and price.

All other aspects are not mentioned here because I think are well implemented in both cameras, like lenses and pic quality.

I would like to have your comments.

Stay tuned at this frequency and see what happens.

Thanks fot reading.

 

[Lawrence Norman]

Thanks all for your kind comments.

Update:

I been joined to Facebook groups of several cameras brands, hoping see the resulting images taken by real users.

I've found this:

Sony a6500 users: Talks a lot. Some people are boastful. Few pics and fewer good ones. Lots of questions, and insults from time to time. Very informative about the use of sigma lenses. I learned that video kinda sucks, and IBIS is good but not much used.

Fujifilm X-T users: Great show of very nice pics. People are a little more kindle. People shows pics of their gear, they really love their gear. Also found some messages that says Fujifilm cameras get blocked or freezed. Thats not a good sign. Some users says some lenses are kinda soft, but some other pics area great. I'm dunno. I think "Fujifilm changed my photography foreva..." it's a little exaggerated phrase, but seems to be quoted often.

Canon M50/M5 users: A lot of beginners. It seems that much people that wants to become a photog chooses Canon brand. Some nice pics. The native M mount lens seems to be not-so-good, more users use their previous canon glasses with the adapter. Lots of questions about the right lens for certain situations.

Pentax K1 users: Wow. What kind of great pics!. Very kind people. They uses a lot of vintage lenses, the pics looks nice. Pentax K1 by far, the best pics I'd see in all groups, may be due to more experienced photographers (I think); well, the camera es amazing also. Many astro pics, also portraits and landscape are superb. Some pics of their gear, people love gear.

Samsung users: Some nice pics. It's noted that 'pro' photographers do not choose Samsung brand, unfairly I think. People are nice. Some posts of people selling out their gear, more often than in other groups.

This, and some lectures from web, YT, etc... result in the finalist in this "Camera's got talent" contest:

-Pentax K1, discarded. Its a Full frame DSLR big and heavy. Perhaps at another time...

-Sony a6500. It have some compromises like bad video (what kind of rolling shutter have!) and price, but it have IBIS, great AF, and weather sealing.

-FujiFilm X-T**. Whell, I would like to have one in my hands to try it out and see if all those things users talk about are true. Cheaper than Sony. No IBIS. No sure about what model choose yet, X-T20, X-E30, X-T30. Depends of second-hand market offer and price.

All other aspects are not mentioned here because I think are well implemented in both cameras, like lenses and pic quality.

I would like to have your comments.

Priority Order:
1. Put major effort and time time writing down your personal use-cases.
2. Using all above new-found (exceptional ) knowledge overlay your use-case list to drive further research.
3. Review new research result to determine if use-case overlay removed much noise, thus exposing the Systems(s) that meet your needs.

Stay tuned at this frequency and see what happens.

Will do.

Thanks for reading.

jfgarcia, Thank you for creating this informative thread. nicely done.

Very Best Regards,
Tu Vu

 

[Ben Herrmann]

...I still felt compelled to answer for a number of reasons.

To begin with, there's no doubting how nice the NX30 is (was). I still have mine and I love the color tonality, touch screen and general operation. But to be honest here, the one area where the NX sensors falter - and that's in the area of DR. The NX30 had horrible dynamic range, IMO - and there were just times when I couldn't do much with the RAW files (and I shoot RAW all of the time. But the NX30 is a keeper until it dies for the aforementioned reasons.

One of the other systems that I shoot with are a variety of Fuji X and Bayer sensor model cameras. And what a delight they are and each has one common denominator - that being that they all have exceptional DR capabilities in those RAW files. And for a RAW shooter like myself, I'm often tempted just to shoot JPG's because they are that lovely (rich and colorful).

I also shoot with the Canon EOS M system, along with various Micro 4/3 cameras, but in the end, the Fuji (IMO) wins hands down for areas like:

1. Exceptionally dynamic range in the RAW files.

2. Nice, rich color tonality - both from the X-Trans or Bayer files.

3. Fuji is quite religious with Firmware Updates - even for some older cameras 5 years out of circulation.

4. Fuji is doing quite well financially and they have a long range game plan for their APS-C cameras (and their Medium Format models).

5. The ergonomics of their cameras with all of their dials become really nice to use.

So, IMO, I'd say look at Fuji big time.

--

Best of luck and health to you all!

Bernd ("Ben") Werner Herrmann
Fuquay Varina, North Carolina USA

Just a friendly reminder here homies - bear in mind that any posting of mine represents my opinion only - not those of other folks - nor am I implying that others will feel the same way that I do about a given issue or camera. I advance suggestions or information based on my having used a camera (or cameras) - not purely on blind speculation. However, If you feel absolutely compelled to argue about a personal opinion of mine, please feel free to go ahead and do so - without my participation of course - and that would be quite an interesting conversation to say the least.

 

[flip 21]

Like Ben is saying, buy Fuji...

Buy the X-A7

Look what this camera can do with its kit lens. Look what you can do for 700$ out of the box... it is crazy

 

[Erin_Pisces]

hm....i think pentax is good. consider choosing pentax,its cameras are cheap,and some have tons of techs in it

or nex

 

[jfgarcia]

Hello everybody.

This thread is not dead (yet).

Why is so important to choose one system or another?

I think it's because of money.

If I could have all the enough money, I could have multiple systems and in the end I may choose two or three to keep.

But it's not my case.

At this point, I'll give Fujifilm X-T30 a try.

The camera arrives in a couple of weeks.

I stumbled upon some Fuji Galleries and the pics seems soft to me:

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www.dpreview.com

compared with some of the NX30:

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www.dpreview.com

I understand that the model and the lens used in Fuji's gallery have to taken in account, but I'm restless about what I have done.

Well, let's see what happen...

 

[otto k]

You should always try the camera out in real life or, at least, in the shop before you buy. Shape of the body, dials and buttons - it's quite impossible for description or video to convey as much information as actually holding it in your hands. I wanted to change the system some time ago and tried out the XT30, among many other cameras, but I kept accidentally bumping into controls (Q menu the most). This does not mean that the camera is bad, it just means it's not a good fit for me.

Regarding the softness - Fuji uses X-trans sensor that generally produces softer images unless you use one of the raw developers that have good support for Fuji files so head over to Fuji forum and see what they recommend. I know that free Raw Therapee does a good job (it supports several algorithms) but the UI is not to everyone's taste.

Either way, I'm sure the camera will serve you well, but it might take some getting used to.

 

[GossCTP]

Hello everybody.

This thread is not dead (yet).

Why is so important to choose one system or another?

I think it's because of money.

If I could have all the enough money, I could have multiple systems and in the end I may choose two or three to keep.

But it's not my case.

At this point, I'll give Fujifilm X-T30 a try.

The camera arrives in a couple of weeks.

I stumbled upon some Fuji Galleries and the pics seems soft to me:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4441982

compared with some of the NX30:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4286076

I understand that the model and the lens used in Fuji's gallery have to taken in account, but I'm restless about what I have done.

Well, let's see what happen...

I went with the x-h1 + grip and 16-55 f/2.8 combo about a month ago. I don't know much about Samsung lenses, but compared to my Pentax gear that Fuji zoom is awesome. Like any system, some lenses are magic, some are one trick ponies, and some get forgotten. Generally, I think Fuji has great glass. I love their aperture rings. I would say their least attractive feature is a lack of support from major third party vendors. Some people get around it by shooting Canon lenses with a Fringer adapter.

 

[Kisaha]

Hello everybody.

This thread is not dead (yet).

Why is so important to choose one system or another?

I think it's because of money.

If I could have all the enough money, I could have multiple systems and in the end I may choose two or three to keep.

But it's not my case.

At this point, I'll give Fujifilm X-T30 a try.

The camera arrives in a couple of weeks.

I stumbled upon some Fuji Galleries and the pics seems soft to me:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4441982

compared with some of the NX30:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4286076

I understand that the model and the lens used in Fuji's gallery have to taken in account, but I'm restless about what I have done.

Well, let's see what happen...

I went with the x-h1 + grip and 16-55 f/2.8 combo about a month ago. I don't know much about Samsung lenses, but compared to my Pentax gear that Fuji zoom is awesome. Like any system, some lenses are magic, some are one trick ponies, and some get forgotten. Generally, I think Fuji has great glass. I love their aperture rings. I would say their least attractive feature is a lack of support from major third party vendors. Some people get around it by shooting Canon lenses with a Fringer adapter.

 

[GossCTP]

Hello everybody.

This thread is not dead (yet).

Why is so important to choose one system or another?

I think it's because of money.

If I could have all the enough money, I could have multiple systems and in the end I may choose two or three to keep.

But it's not my case.

At this point, I'll give Fujifilm X-T30 a try.

The camera arrives in a couple of weeks.

I stumbled upon some Fuji Galleries and the pics seems soft to me:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4441982

compared with some of the NX30:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4286076

I understand that the model and the lens used in Fuji's gallery have to taken in account, but I'm restless about what I have done.

Well, let's see what happen...

I went with the x-h1 + grip and 16-55 f/2.8 combo about a month ago. I don't know much about Samsung lenses, but compared to my Pentax gear that Fuji zoom is awesome. Like any system, some lenses are magic, some are one trick ponies, and some get forgotten. Generally, I think Fuji has great glass. I love their aperture rings. I would say their least attractive feature is a lack of support from major third party vendors. Some people get around it by shooting Canon lenses with a Fringer adapter.

Quite honestly the 16-50S is faster (2f until around 32mm), sharper and have IS, while being both lighter and smaller.

I don't know anything about that lens. I did watch samsung for a number of years and wanted into their system but they didn't produce a body that i wanted until the nx1, which was too expensive for me at the time.

The X-H1 is maybe the Fuji camera with the worst sales the last couple of years, it doesn't make sense at all when you have the utterly better X-T3 on a similar price and back then the cheaper but similar X-T2. Bet you found it dead cheap, maybe less than a used NX1.

It was introduced at a price that was untenable. As you say, it's like an x-t2 but it has a better grip, a quieter shutter and IBIS. Again, I'm new to the system but it seems the consensus is the gains from the x-t3 over the x-t2 are overrated. I bought the whole lot for $1700, which isn't cheap to me, but certainly a fair deal and less than the debut price of the body alone.

The NX1 + 16-50S 2-2.8f and some lenses I can't find in any other system are keeping me still in the system. Mind that. Ergonomics still unbeatable, while Fuji needs at least a generation or two to polish their User Interface and ergonomics.

Fuji's ergonomics and user interface are hurt largely by the retro interface, though there are some plusses like the aperture rings.

I haven't used the 30 and 3, but I am hearing various negatives (cameras that stuck, easily pressed buttons, lesser manufacturing quality control e.t.c).

The only gripes I have are battery life and their wireless phone app.

The NX lenses are among the top in every specific category. There is no NX lens not near, or at the top of its respected category, while used to be a lot cheaper than most.

It's puzzling that they pulled the plug on the whole project. I thought if nothing else that 28mp sensor would have shown up in another manufacture's camera.